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Nuclearmonkee posted:First dude is enough. He needs to the cookie contest and all of the other stupid homemaker first lady traditions too. What would we call that, anyway? First Sir? First Guy? First Lord? "First husband" or "first spouse" sounds so awkward!
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Mirthless posted:What would we call that, anyway? First Sir? First Guy? First Lord? "First husband" or "first spouse" sounds so awkward! I believe that had Hillary won, Bill Clinton would have become "First Gentleman". He would also have been required to grow a mustache and wear a monocle and top hat.
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Nov 9, 2012 21:13
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Nuclearmonkee posted:First dude is enough. He needs to the cookie contest and all of the other stupid homemaker first lady traditions too. Hopefully he saved all his stuff from 2008.
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Nov 9, 2012 21:15
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Nov 9, 2012 21:28
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I want to see the Dems run a gay athiest woman of middle eastern descent.
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Nov 9, 2012 21:34
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Gatts posted:Can we get Bill Clinton as Veep? I want him in office somehow. Constitutionally ineligible due to term limits.
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Nov 9, 2012 21:38
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Gatts posted:Can we get Bill Clinton as Veep? I want him in office somehow. Can he be the press secretary? He's charismatic as gently caress and will literally pimp slap reporters for asking loaded right wing talking point questions. Plus, that job is like 90% dude that explains stuff.
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Nov 9, 2012 21:40
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Wow those Rice numbers are surprisingly high. I hope she at least takes a serious look at running. Rice will not run as either part of the ticket. She has said repeatedly that she has no intention of running for President and would not accept a VP nod if it were offered to her. Plus she's pro-choice, so running her on the main stage would mean the Republicans would have to commit heavily to edging away from social conservatism over the next four years.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Constitutionally ineligible due to term limits. So can he not hold any positions in the chain or just VP?
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Constitutionally ineligible due to term limits. He can serve as the Vice-President if he so chooses to run and win. He could also serve as the President in the event that the President dies.
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Nov 9, 2012 21:46
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raito posted:He can serve as the Vice-President if he so chooses to run and win. He could also serve as the President in the event that the President dies. You can be sure that there'd be a Supreme Court case about that pretty quickly though. Something about the "intent" of the 22nd Amendment not permitting a crazy end-run around it by "running for VP and having the President immediately resign".
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ComradeCosmobot posted:You can be sure that there'd be a Supreme Court case about that pretty quickly though. Something about the "intent" of the 22nd Amendment not permitting a crazy end-run around it by "running for VP and having the President immediately resign". Well, yeah, the Supreme Court would undoubtedly get involved and decide whether the 12th amendment refers to the 35 years of age/residence requirements/natural-born citizen qualifications or a much broader scope that would include the 22nd amendment. None of this will probably ever happen in actuality, though.
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Nov 9, 2012 21:53
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raito posted:He can serve as the Vice-President if he so chooses to run and win. He could also serve as the President in the event that the President dies. Clinton/Clinton 2016 No need to specify which ones, just throw in any 2/3 that you want
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Nov 9, 2012 21:59
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raito posted:He can serve as the Vice-President if he so chooses to run and win. He could also serve as the President in the event that the President dies. No he can't. He could serve anywhere else in the chain he'd just be passed over in the event everyone ahead of him died like foreign born cabinet secretaries. To run or be appointed VP you need to be eligible to be president.
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Gatts posted:Can we get Bill Clinton as Veep? I want him in office somehow. Why? Cause he gives a good speech? Give me Biden over him any day.
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DynamicSloth posted:No he can't. The 12th amendment deals with requirements for service (age/residency/natural-born citizen), while the 22nd amendment deals with requirements for election ("No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice".
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ComradeCosmobot posted:On the other hand, her campaign site is still up. Can -any- American politician do anything less than fellatiate Israel as much as possible?
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Nov 9, 2012 22:19
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raito posted:The 12th amendment deals with requirements for service (age/residency/natural-born citizen), while the 22nd amendment deals with requirements for election ("No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice". Bill Clinton, George Bush or Barrack Obama aren't going to be on any ticket again ever.
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Typo posted:Is this really surprising? Of course not. But it does suggest that she's not going to be any more progressive on the middle east than her peers.
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I'd like to put forth the idea that Ohio Gov. John Kasich could be a potential nominee. He's got the resume as a former US representative for nearly two decades and now the govenor of an important swing state. He has strong ties to Fox news and national identity among conservatives due to his former talk show. His popularity has rebounded since his anti-union debacle two years ago. He is media savy and has a fairly young and photogenic family. I heard him speak of the death of his parents in an auto accident and his faith in a radio interview and was suprised how compelling and heartfelt the story was. Importantly of late, he seems very distant from the social issues some pundits are now saying hurt the Republican brand on Tuesday. Any thoughts?
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Brigadier Sockface posted:Bill Clinton, George Bush or Barrack Obama aren't going to be on any ticket again ever. I'm well aware - I've even stated as much in this thread. I'm simply saying that it is constitutionally legal, contrary to what others believe.
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im a ski bum posted:I'd like to put forth the idea that Ohio Gov. John Kasich could be a potential nominee. He's got the resume as a former US representative for nearly two decades and now the govenor of an important swing state. He has strong ties to Fox news and national identity among conservatives due to his former talk show. His popularity has rebounded since his anti-union debacle two years ago. He is media savy and has a fairly young and photogenic family. I heard him speak of the death of his parents in an auto accident and his faith in a radio interview and was suprised how compelling and heartfelt the story was. Kasich is the reason Obama won Ohio--pretty sure he'd play well among conservatives and nowhere else.
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raito posted:The 12th amendment deals with requirements for service (age/residency/natural-born citizen), while the 22nd amendment deals with requirements for election ("No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice". "No person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." Eligible is for this purpose synonymous with electable, they come from the same latin root. We could try this in the Supreme Court but Clinton would lose.
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im a ski bum posted:I'd like to put forth the idea that Ohio Gov. John Kasich could be a potential nominee. He's got the resume as a former US representative for nearly two decades and now the govenor of an important swing state. He has strong ties to Fox news and national identity among conservatives due to his former talk show. His popularity has rebounded since his anti-union debacle two years ago. He is media savy and has a fairly young and photogenic family. I heard him speak of the death of his parents in an auto accident and his faith in a radio interview and was suprised how compelling and heartfelt the story was. Kasich is complete poison here. A common thread amongst the loonies is that Kasich's endorsement of Mandel cost Mandel the election. He rode in on the tea party wave along with Husted and DeWine, and he's going to get ride it right back out.
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astrollinthepork posted:Kasich is complete poison here. A common thread amongst the loonies is that Kasich's endorsement of Mandel cost Mandel the election. He rode in on the tea party wave along with Husted and DeWine, and he's going to get ride it right back out. I'm in Ohio, too, and feel the tarnish is largely gone. I'm no fan of Kasich and haven't voted for a republican since 1996, but I really think he'll cruise to reelection in 2014. If Strickland (who rode in on the democratic wave of 2006) challenges him, it may be a competitve race.
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As a resident of Indiana, if Mitch Daniels does run, every single nasty, dirty thing that Indiana media have successfully covered up would come out. Surprisingly, neither Republican opponents of his nor Democrats have really held this against him, and he's pretty much been able to whitewash his drug arrest. For example, he has been open about his drug arrest. But it wasn't for simple posession. The preliminary charge was posession with intent to distribute. But because Daddy Daniels was a big time pharm exec, he got the charges greatly reduced. This wasn't just some kids smoking pot in a dorm room. This was part of a five month investigation that ended in a sting and Daniels' arrest. Politico's Ben Smith wrote about this about a year ago. There's also rumors that Daniels was fairly liberal in his college days and participated in anti-Vietnam war protests. And this whole wife-not-liking-poliitcs thing isn't just something Daniels is saying. She really doesn't like politics and it was notably visable in 2004 by how often she wasn't with Daniels during his first campaign. I also don't think he'd run for Senate or anything like that. Daniels hates the legislative process and wants to be the guy in charge, not one of a hundred. Does anyone think SuperPACs are gonna dry up by 2016? Despite the billions of dollars, they had an impact of nothing on this year's election. Kaisach also seems to be getting his major accomplishments (union busting, early voting lessened) constantly on ballot referendums to reverse them. He seems to have been a very ineffective governor. What about a Rick Scott run? Could he play the role of a Santorum in 2016? notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Nov 9, 2012 |
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notthegoatseguy posted:What about a Rick Scott run? Could he play the role of a Santorum in 2016? Ignoring his policies and performance as governor here in Florida, can you imagine how the nation would react just looking at him on TV constantly for MONTHS?
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im a ski bum posted:I'm in Ohio, too, and feel the tarnish is largely gone. I'm no fan of Kasich and haven't voted for a republican since 1996, but I really think he'll cruise to reelection in 2014. If Strickland (who rode in on the democratic wave of 2006) challenges him, it may be a competitve race. The tarnish is still there, he just seems to have squirreled himself away after SB5 got shot down. I don't think I've heard anything from him since then, and that was last year.
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It is too soon to worry about 2016, in my mind. More important is planning for the 2014 mid-term elections where GOTV will be even more important. Also planning for the removal of the Sky Captain of St. Cloud.
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All Of The Dicks posted:It is too soon to worry about 2016, in my mind. More important is planning for the 2014 mid-term elections where GOTV will be even more important. Also planning for the removal of the Sky Captain of St. Cloud. Spoiler: The Republicans will retain the House, if the Democrats couldn't manage to overcome the Republican gerrymandering advantage with a majority of the popular congressional vote and the President's coattails they've got no hope in 2014. I suppose the Democrats could lose the Senate, but probably not as long as the GOP is still nominating undelectable morons. Democrats should concentrate on taking back state governments and reverse gerrymandering the states or they'll never win the House again.
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DynamicSloth posted:Spoiler: The Republicans will retain the House, if the Democrats couldn't manage to overcome the Republican gerrymandering advantage with a majority of the popular congressional vote and the President's coattails they've got no hope in 2014. I suppose the Democrats could lose the Senate, but probably not as long as the GOP is still nominating undelectable morons. Is there anything out there about how gerrymandered state house districts are? I presume the answer is somewhere between "somewhat" and "a lot".
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cheetah7071 posted:Is there anything out there about how gerrymandered state house districts are? I presume the answer is somewhere between "somewhat" and "a lot". I just thought of a random state that got Republican control in 2010, and here is Ohio's state House map for 2002-2012 vs 2013-2222. Maybe an Ohio goon can shed some light on how the maps are different.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I just thought of a random state that got Republican control in 2010, and here is Ohio's state House map for 2002-2012 vs 2013-2222. Maybe an Ohio goon can shed some light on how the maps are different. Those are for the state house, not US congressional districts edit:Sorry, I can't read. im a ski bum fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Nov 10, 2012 |
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notthegoatseguy posted:I just thought of a random state that got Republican control in 2010, and here is Ohio's state House map for 2002-2012 vs 2013-2222. Maybe an Ohio goon can shed some light on how the maps are different. The new map certainly doesn't look absurd the way a lot of the national congressional districts do--most of them hew reasonably well to county boundaries. I'm guessing this is slightly gerrymandered, but that the number of competitive districts is close to what you'd get if you divided the state "fairly" (however you actually define that). Not that I know anything about ohio.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I just thought of a random state that got Republican control in 2010, and here is Ohio's state House map for 2002-2012 vs 2013-2222. Maybe an Ohio goon can shed some light on how the maps are different. They hosed the whole thing up. My phone won't let me open those maps, but from what I remember, one of the new Districts stretches from Toledo to just West of Cleveland along Lake Erie just to pack a bunch of Democrats into the same District. They worked around the liberal southwest suburbs of Cleveland and the Oberlin area with some weird dragon shaped District that includes areas between Dayton and Toledo that are mostly farm land and highly conservative. Most of the state's liberal population is packed into four or five districts. The one along the Erie shore, the Youngstown area, East Cleveland and a really hilarious hatchet job of Franklin County to ensure as many liberal neighborhoods as possible are in the same District. It's really pathetic. Before, it was balanced enough for there to be some obvious Districts for each party and then quite a few competitive Districts. It's just a whitewash now.
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notthegoatseguy posted:What about a Rick Scott run? Could he play the role of a Santorum in 2016?
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