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Choadmaster
Oct 7, 2004

I don't care how snug they fit, you're nuts!

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

I have a ~15k song library that I manage manually. I am also sick of managing it manually and want to take the advice of the thread title, but I am scared shitless of iTunes doing something weird with my poo poo. But mostly me not knowing exactly what is going to happen when I click the "let iTunes manage my files" checkbox. Here's my situation:

- All CD rips are in m:\mp3\genre\artist\album
- iTunes library and all iTunes music is in m:\music\itunes
- I want to rename the \mp3 folder to \music before I turn everything on auto.

Questions:
- Am I correct in assuming that my library will be pointing to a bunch of files that don't exist when I rename the folder to \music? If so, how do I correct this other than doing a mass find/replace on itunes_library.xml?
- From my understanding, once I turn on auto organize in the options, iTunes is going to copy all of my ripped music to m:\music\itunes\whatever_other_subdirectories_it_uses, leaving the original copies in m:\music?

You aren't making much sense. You already have a folder m:\music so how are you going to rename m:\mp3 to the same name? Also, you obviously can avoid the issue in question 1 by doing the consolidation first; once iTunes has its own copies of your music (that's a yes to question 2) it won't care what you rename your mp3 folder. Why do you want to rename first?

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Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

Sorry, that first one was a typo. iTunes folder is in m:\mp3\itunes.

I think what I need to do is just stick all of the iTunes files in m:\music then hit consolidate. After consolidating, then I turn on auto managing, right?

Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Nov 4, 2012

IUG
Jul 14, 2007


Here's how it will look basically. You can tell it to store your media in another folder however if you want. Then consolidate the library and it will copy everything there.

If it's not obvious, it's Artist folder, Album name folder, ## NAME.ext. Where ## is the track number. #-## if you have a CD number.



EDIT: Those first two artist are "...And Stars Collide" and ".38 Special", but since the filesystem uses a period at the start of a file name for invisible files, they just rename them.

jason
Jul 25, 2002

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

I have a ~15k song library that I manage manually. I am also sick of managing it manually and want to take the advice of the thread title, but I am scared shitless of iTunes doing something weird with my poo poo. But mostly me not knowing exactly what is going to happen when I click the "let iTunes manage my files" checkbox. Here's my situation:

- All CD rips are in m:\mp3\genre\artist\album
- iTunes library and all iTunes music is in m:\music\itunes
- I want to rename the \mp3 folder to \music before I turn everything on auto.

Questions:
- Am I correct in assuming that my library will be pointing to a bunch of files that don't exist when I rename the folder to \music? If so, how do I correct this other than doing a mass find/replace on itunes_library.xml?
- From my understanding, once I turn on auto organize in the options, iTunes is going to copy all of my ripped music to m:\music\itunes\whatever_other_subdirectories_it_uses, leaving the original copies in m:\music?

Don't rename anything. Make the m:\music directory and leave it empty. Set your iTunes media folder location to m:\music. Check the "Keep media organized" and "Copy to iTunes media folder..." options. Consolidate library. This should copy and organize all of your music into m:\music. Once it's done and you are happy with it you can delete files the original two directories.

chomper
Aug 16, 2007

Los Bastardos
I posted this in the hardware thread, but you dudes are iTunes specialists so:

Right now I store my iTunes library on my internal HD (500GB/7200rpm). My iTunes library is about ~110gb and growing daily.

I have a 2TB (5000rpm) external connected thru FireWire800. Would it be a bad idea to move my iTunes library to this drive? Would it be too 'slow' to run off of this drive? Is this even possible?

Diabolik900
Mar 28, 2007

My library is running off an external FireWire drive too. It can be slow to start playing things sometimes, but it's definitely manageable.

chomper
Aug 16, 2007

Los Bastardos

Diabolik900 posted:

My library is running off an external FireWire drive too. It can be slow to start playing things sometimes, but it's definitely manageable.

Is that because the drive has a "feature" that after inactivity it stops spinning (sleep mode or whatever) or because it's an external HD?

I use this application called KeepDriveSpinning to prevent this from happening, as I hate having to wait 5 seconds to stream video on my XBOX. It basically issues a 'touch' command to the drive every few minutes.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

jason posted:

Don't rename anything. Make the m:\music directory and leave it empty. Set your iTunes media folder location to m:\music. Check the "Keep media organized" and "Copy to iTunes media folder..." options. Consolidate library. This should copy and organize all of your music into m:\music. Once it's done and you are happy with it you can delete files the original two directories.

This worked great and was really quick. Thanks!

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I have 2 places storing my music. volumes/media/music and locally in my user profile. Its annoying having to copy them back and forth to ensure both are a mirror of each other and I want to just run everything off the server as it gets backed up regularly.

all my music is individual files in one folder for the most part (when I was a young windows users playing files indivdually from explorer via winamp because gently caress playlists) that are all named mostly accurately, lets say 99%.

the other portion is downloaded folders with stupid names and characters and other superfluous info like bitrate and such. typical :filez: naming.

I want to clean this up so it is volumes/media/music/artist/album/artist - album - track # - title.

will letting itunes organise things go and do this for me if I was to wipe the library and then drag-drop my music folder, or do I need a third party app to process all the file names and collate into folders for albums and so on?

I mean I mostly do all the tidying up of file names and stuff in itunes and leave the folder messy but I can tell one day its going to bite me in the rear end when the problem is too big to solve.

IUG
Jul 14, 2007


If you look at my picture a few posts up, you'll see how iTunes organizes its files, and how it names its files. There is no way to change how iTunes sorts or names its files.

If you wanted it in two places as a backup, I'm sure you could set up a tasks to rsync the folders or something like that.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

IUG posted:

If you look at my picture a few posts up, you'll see how iTunes organizes its files, and how it names its files. There is no way to change how iTunes sorts or names its files.

If you wanted it in two places as a backup, I'm sure you could set up a tasks to rsync the folders or something like that.



OK, that is good enough. so telling itunes to manage and organise/copy to itunes Directory will produce THAT in the folder I specify as the itunes media folder when I drop everything in? What I will be doing is setting up a new folder called "tunes" which will be the new itunes directory on the NAS, then removing the local stuff in favor of using the NAS (as its backed up to ext HDD weekly).

and it bases the sorting on the meta data/tags?

Im trying to get rid of the 2 locations as its a pain when things are coming from different places and I move/delete files or lose music. for the most part I think they are identical but I want to A) get all my poo poo named and sorted properly so its less of a head gently caress when trying to add/identify the missing files, and B) not have to copy things back and forth to keep it all.

IUG
Jul 14, 2007


Yes. First pick the folder where you want your iTunes media to go. Then you tell iTunes to clean up and consolidate your library under File -> Library -> Organize Library. It then copies everything into that folder. Once you're sure you're all set, trash your old directory full of duplicates.

Note that it only copies over what's in iTunes. So anything in your previous folder(s) that aren't in iTunes will get left behind. It's good in that it lets you delete stuff you were probably not using anyways.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Yeah I realise thats how it works, and I actually had that stuff enabled for a while without realising, and now have a duplicate within a duplicate of my music folder :durr:

I just deleted that last night though, which was stupid because it was probably already organised and everything :( oh well.

Pretty cool that itunes can act as a black-hole of sorts for renaming and organising music. I suppose I can now just download stuff to my downloads folder, click and drag to itunes (which will copy it to my music dir) and then delete from the downloads folder.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Yeah that's how it works. I still feel like there has to be a faster way than iTunes making another copy though. Maybe iTunes 11 will change it up.

chomper
Aug 16, 2007

Los Bastardos

Mu Zeta posted:

Yeah that's how it works. I still feel like there has to be a faster way than iTunes making another copy though. Maybe iTunes 11 will change it up.

Oh yea... about iTunes 11, wasn't it supposed to come "sometime in October" according to the recent Apple events??

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Late November :negative:

Sprat Sandwich
Mar 20, 2009


They never said it's going to be late November. They said 'before the end of November' which means it will be out on Thursday.

THE 29TH!

TheState
Mar 1, 2007

Dave, promise me one thing: next Christmas, let's take the bus.
Ok, so I have a ~10,000 item library that I've been building for a few years. Last year I decided to keep a second library with all lossless music. This year I decided that, gently caress all that noise, maintaining two libraries was pointless. The problem is that now I have two libraries that I want to merge. What's the best way to go about this without creating essentially half a library's worth of duplicates?

IUG
Jul 14, 2007


Combine them with the duplicates. Then go to File -> Display Duplicates. Sort it by date added, and then get rid of all the duplicates you just added just then.

TheState
Mar 1, 2007

Dave, promise me one thing: next Christmas, let's take the bus.
Man, that was a total pain in the rear end. Thanks, though.

Tenterhooks
Jul 27, 2003

Bang Bang
My wife and I share an iTunes library on a single Mac via the Shared folder. It works pretty well, but I can't figure out a way to get new music I add to appear in iTunes when she logs in. The files are in their /users/shared/itunes music folders fine, but we have to manually hunt tracks out through 'Add To Library' to get iTunes to list them. Is there a setting or something I'm missing?

wolffenstein
Aug 2, 2002
 
Pork Pro
How are the new tracks being put in iTunes? the Automatically Add to iTunes folder? Drag and drop?

Tenterhooks
Jul 27, 2003

Bang Bang
Drag and drop mostly. I have "Keep iTunes Media folder organised" and "Copy files to iTunes Media folder when adding to library" checked so I can download music to my desktop, quickly drag them over to iTunes and dump the downloaded files in the trash.

Choadmaster
Oct 7, 2004

I don't care how snug they fit, you're nuts!
Are both accounts simultaneously accessing the iTunes library? (ie. Are you using fast user switching and leaving iTunes running in the other account?)

Don't do that.

Jolan
Feb 5, 2007
I've recently moved all my music to a NAS and have started using iTunes to manage it. In MacOS, it works great, and when I want to add a few new files from the NAS it's pretty much as fast as if I'd add them from my internal hard drive. When using Windows 7 (as a dual boot), however, it takes several minutes for each file to get added to the library. I've checked the settings and I'm pretty sure they're the same between Windows and MacOS. I thought at first that it was copying all files to my Windows partition before adding them to the library, but that's not the case (and even if it was, it seems that file copy speed from the NAS is slightly faster in Windows, so that wouldn't account for the slow-down).

What could I try to speed up the process of adding my music to iTunes in Windows?

trash person
Apr 5, 2006

Baby Executive is pleased with your performance!
iTunes Match really pisses me off.

Oh really? Only five out of twelve songs were matched? Off of an album that I literally just ripped myself verified against AccurateRip?

It's not like Amazon's matching service is a lot better though. It matched eight out of twelve songs.

gently caress you you fuckers just match my songs.

To Hell with this cloud backup nonsense I'm just buying an external HDD.

Brock Landers
Jul 28, 2004

You're a donkey. I like that.

Crow_Robot posted:

iTunes Match really pisses me off.

Oh really? Only five out of twelve songs were matched? Off of an album that I literally just ripped myself verified against AccurateRip?

It's not like Amazon's matching service is a lot better though. It matched eight out of twelve songs.

gently caress you you fuckers just match my songs.

To Hell with this cloud backup nonsense I'm just buying an external HDD.
I have this problem from time to time too. It should still upload your copy of the song if it doesn't match. Is it not doing that? Apple doesn't advertise this as a "backup" service, just any easier way to keep your music in sync across devices.

smug forum asshole
Jan 15, 2005
Sorry for not reading the last 84 pages, but is there some kind of community-approved workaround for the 'Explicit songs getting matched to censored versions' bug?

tonic
Jan 4, 2003

Does anyone store their iTunes library/media on Dropbox? I was thinking this would be an easy way of keeping my music synced between my 3 computers.

I'm guessing the main issue would be making sure that iTunes wasn't open on multiple computers at once? Any other problems I might encounter?

dox
Mar 4, 2006

Jolan posted:

What could I try to speed up the process of adding my music to iTunes in Windows?

I also have this same issue with a single album taking ~1min to add from my NAS. No idea what is causing the problem, but it can get pretty aggravating.

chimz
Jul 27, 2005

Science isn't about why, it's about why not.

dox posted:

I also have this same issue with a single album taking ~1min to add from my NAS. No idea what is causing the problem, but it can get pretty aggravating.

According to the fs_usage tool, it looks like iTunes resolves every file in the library when adding new files to make sure the file isn't already in the library. This process is way faster on a local disk than on a network share.

This is why I quit hosting my library on a NAS and moved to a local disk.

Tenterhooks
Jul 27, 2003

Bang Bang

Choadmaster posted:

Are both accounts simultaneously accessing the iTunes library? (ie. Are you using fast user switching and leaving iTunes running in the other account?)

Don't do that.

Nope, never (my wife very rarely uses her account). I just add our music to my iTunes and she'll occasionally sign in to add some new songs to her phone.

Just noticed today that the metadata wont update for her either - if I add a date to a previously dateless song, sign out then sign in as her, the date change wont have carried over. It's not the end of the world, but it would be nice if things just stayed the same (or at least were easy to update) since we're accessing the same files.

Jolan
Feb 5, 2007

chimz posted:

According to the fs_usage tool, it looks like iTunes resolves every file in the library when adding new files to make sure the file isn't already in the library. This process is way faster on a local disk than on a network share.

This is why I quit hosting my library on a NAS and moved to a local disk.

Then why is it so much faster in iTunes for Mac than it is in iTunes for Windows?

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer

Jolan posted:

Then why is it so much faster in iTunes for Mac than it is in iTunes for Windows?

I hate to be that guy but: because Apple cares about the experience on the Mac and couldn't give a poo poo for Windows except to make it barely functional enough to take your money?

benisntfunny
Dec 2, 2004
I'm Perfect.

Thwomp posted:

I hate to be that guy but: because Apple cares about the experience on the Mac and couldn't give a poo poo for Windows except to make it barely functional enough to take your money?
I would only say that is partially true. My real guess is that they do things that have been optimized for OS X and don't want to differ the logic much when developing the windows counterpart letting them manage their builds a little easier and not have iTunes PC start behaving wildly different from the Mac version (aside from performance). It of course could be done different and the behaviors could remain consistent I'm sure but that gets into the part where I've said you're partially right. They've decided it didn't make business sense. But it's not as they are coding stuff going "ahahaha wait till these PC turds get a load of this one!"
Generally developers like to write code as good as they can make it.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

smug forum rear end in a top hat posted:

Sorry for not reading the last 84 pages, but is there some kind of community-approved workaround for the 'Explicit songs getting matched to censored versions' bug?

I dunno how "approved" it is, but people have reported success by deleting the censored songs from Match, then converting the relevant files to AAC versions and using a tagging program to edit the tag ITUNESADVISORY to a value of "1" on those files, before re-adding to Match. It worked for me (and I batch-edited my entire library's worth of tags, even for the songs where it wouldn't matter), but YMMV.

Jolan
Feb 5, 2007

Thwomp posted:

I hate to be that guy but: because Apple cares about the experience on the Mac and couldn't give a poo poo for Windows except to make it barely functional enough to take your money?

Yet that doesn't really explain why adding files from the hard drive takes about the same amount of time in both Windows and MacOS, but adding files from a NAS takes four times longer. And when pressing play on a song that's on the NAS, it can take up to half a minute before it actually starts playing. This can't just be a case of "gently caress you, got Mac".

chomper
Aug 16, 2007

Los Bastardos
Alright guys... this is hard for me to explain but i'll try my best. I must have hosed with settings somewhere to make it disappear because I had access to this a week or so ago:

Basically, when playing a song there was a small grey arrow that when I clicked it it would show the Album, Artist, and Genre. When I clicked on one of these things it would take me to whatever I clicked on in my library.

Example: I'm currently playing Pink Floyd's "Time" and I click the little grey arrow. It lists "Dark Side of the Moon", "Pink Floyd", and "Rock". If I click "Dark Side of the Moon" it takes me to the album, if I click "Pink Floyd" it would take me to Pink Floyd in my library and list all music by them. If I clicked "Rock" it would list all artists/songs/albums under the Rock genre.

Somehow this disappeared and I've tried going through my settings to see if I messed with anything that caused it to disappear.

I'll try to find a screenshot somewhere on the net but i'm not having much luck. It wasn't this arrow though (I don't have these arrows either):

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Is it this?

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/itunes_enabling_show_in_itunes_library

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

mdemone posted:

I dunno how "approved" it is, but people have reported success by deleting the censored songs from Match, then converting the relevant files to AAC versions and using a tagging program to edit the tag ITUNESADVISORY to a value of "1" on those files, before re-adding to Match. It worked for me (and I batch-edited my entire library's worth of tags, even for the songs where it wouldn't matter), but YMMV.
Cool. I must try that at some point.
Is there any way to have ITUNESADVISORY default to 1 when you rip a new CD to the library? Or will we all be stuck doing this forever.

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