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Roger Explosion posted:Jones is so selfish. If only she would submit herself to scientific research, we could perhaps find a way to develop new shields and armors for our fighting men and women in their war on terrorism. She'll submit to research as soon as someone figures out a way to take a sample off her.  I hope I'm not accidentally calling exactly what's going to happen with Coyote's tooth. 
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Nov 14, 2012 14:40
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Yeesh. Killing Jones would probably be as easy as cutting a shadow from the floor.
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Nov 14, 2012 15:50
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Did anybody else get the impression that Jones knows she can't be broken because she's tried, over and over? 4 billion years is a long time to be alone and confused 
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Nov 14, 2012 16:02
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Violen posted:If she has no desires, why concern herself with the goings-on of humanity at all? Even from an academic standpoint, even out of pure dispassionate intellectual interest, the most pessimistic answer to her choices still says there's more to her than she's willing to ascribe to herself simply by virtue of her having made them. What the hell else is she gonna do?
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Nov 14, 2012 16:19
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Zenzirouj posted:Did anybody else get the impression that Jones knows she can't be broken because she's tried, over and over? 4 billion years is a long time to be alone and confused I get that as well. Over that amount of time, I'm sure out of curiosities sake she has tried to off herself in one way or another. Can Jones even be curious?
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Smelly posted:I get that as well. Over that amount of time, I'm sure out of curiosities sake she has tried to off herself in one way or another. I bet sitting in all that lava had something to do with trying to die. I wonder if there are any more Jones, just ones who haven't been dug up yet.
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Nov 14, 2012 16:26
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Zenzirouj posted:Did anybody else get the impression that Jones knows she can't be broken because she's tried, over and over? 4 billion years is a long time to be alone and confused Well I mean she had to stand in front of a bison a first time at one point. That and waking up underwater and the first thing she saw was a giant sea scorpion I guess she probably got the idea pretty quickly that she couldn't be harmed.
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Nov 14, 2012 16:39
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VanSandman posted:I bet sitting in all that lava had something to do with trying to die. But how would Jones know that lava should be able to kill her?
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Nov 14, 2012 17:37
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I think she has to have some kind of feelings or emotion. She appears to follow a moral code of a sort, which would require the ability to feel guilt. Who said she seems autistic or possibly sociopathic earlier? Like people who emulate emotion and social niceties in order to fit in. Her scene where she comforted Eglamore looked dispassionate but later when they're watching the dragons he looks genuinely pleased to see her, so she must reciprocate something to him that makes him believe she's not just pretending. Even if she's expressionless her actions make her seem to have more depth than that.
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For some reason I keep going back to metal. I know Jones is neither a robot nor a golem, but throughout reading this chapter I keep thinking "living metal" or something along those lines.
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Nov 14, 2012 17:45
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SynthOrange posted:You broke your stone, Jones. Given that the stone seems crafted, I wonder if it didn't belong to some australopithecine she used to hang with a few hundred thousand years ago. If so, maybe breaking it was meant as a demonstration of lack of sentimentality?
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Nov 14, 2012 18:15
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What if these are false memories? Implanted, perhaps, by a certain individual who can manipulate memories.
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Nov 14, 2012 18:37
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If only there was an ethereal sword that can literally cut through anything. Then Jones might have a problem.
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Nov 14, 2012 19:42
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Gnome de plume posted:Jones is the hardest subtance known to man. So she's the seed bismuth? 
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Nov 14, 2012 19:44
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Prediction: The next page is Jones going "I cannot break." Followed by the myriad of ways she's tried to off herself because the -train never ends.
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Nov 14, 2012 19:56
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pik_d posted:Well I mean she had to stand in front of a bison a first time at one point. That and waking up underwater and the first thing she saw was a giant sea scorpion I guess she probably got the idea pretty quickly that she couldn't be harmed. Sure, it could be that she's just been around long enough for basically everything to have happened to her, but I just got the impression of attempted self-inflicted harm. If only out of boredom or curiosity to see what might actually hurt her, having witnessed all manner of fragile beings that break at the slightest touch. Her saying that the opposite of Jones is "a thing that can be broken" is a pretty confident assertion. I can imagine her standing on a cliff in prehistoric Mexico, gazing cooly at Chicxulub, thinking to herself, "show me what you got, motherfucker."
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Freudian posted:But how would Jones know that lava should be able to kill her? Well, it was pretty good at melting the still-solid cool stones around her.
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Nov 14, 2012 21:04
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Zenzirouj posted:I can imagine her standing on a cliff in prehistoric Mexico, gazing cooly at Chicxulub, thinking to herself, "show me what you got, motherfucker." At least inasmuch as it's possible to think something like that when you've never been exposed to even the concept of language ever.
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TenKindsOfCrazy posted:I think she has to have some kind of feelings or emotion. She appears to follow a moral code of a sort, which would require the ability to feel guilt. Jones may be dispassionate and unmotivated by any desires relating to herself, but she obviously feels compelled to interact with others and behave in such a way as to promote positive relationships. And for as many examples as we've had of people reacting poorly to her, there are just as many that seem to respond with affection - her 19th century charge who remembers her in his old age, Jones Mk. I at the filling station, and her practically life-long relationship with James Eglamore. Though the more I think about it, the more Eglamore and Jones's relationship is. He's chosen a relationship with a woman who can't hurt him the way Surma did, because she has none of the personal desires that prompted Surma to leave him. (Whatever those might be) He's settled, really, trading passion for constancy.
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Fighting Trousers posted:Jones may be dispassionate and unmotivated by any desires relating to herself, but she obviously feels compelled to interact with others and behave in such a way as to promote positive relationships. And for as many examples as we've had of people reacting poorly to her, there are just as many that seem to respond with affection - her 19th century charge who remembers her in his old age, Jones Mk. I at the filling station, and her practically life-long relationship with James Eglamore. All while wondering how Surma could leave him for someone so cold and withdrawn. Combined with keeping Surma's knife I'm pretty sure it's safe to say Jimmy Jims has issues.
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farraday posted:All while wondering how Surma could leave him for someone so cold and withdrawn. Please don't undress the female students, James.
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There's definitely something still missing in the Jones story. Rereading the archives, I noted when she touched Shadow on the head and then proceeded to give him candy and hide him for Annie. She's got to have some kind of personal interest, even if it's emotionless. I'm curious as to what it is. Also, Tom mentioned on Formspring that Jones lies. Why would she?
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Fecha posted:There's definitely something still missing in the Jones story. Rereading the archives, I noted when she touched Shadow on the head and then proceeded to give him candy and hide him for Annie. She's got to have some kind of personal interest, even if it's emotionless. I'm curious as to what it is. Like she said outright, he's unique. Jones probably has a special affinity for something new after the last two-and-a-bit billion years. Mido posted:If only there was an ethereal sword that can literally cut through anything. Then Jones might have a problem. Coyote said the sword could cut the very earth. Uh ohhhhh
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I dunno, Jones's little displays of affection could be the result of thousands of years of examination. Hundreds of generations of trial and error where she figures out what those facial expressions mean and what people respond best to. It's exemplified by Dr Disaster's crush. It's baldly obvious he's smitten, but Jones's response to it is utterly diplomatic and analytical. She accepts the gifts, then discretely passes them out, encouraging Smit and Parley's relationship in the process. It's a cool take, honestly. Instead of I AM (like) A ROBOT EMOTION ILLOGICAL, it's a calm and patient study of what people feel. She 'gets' emotions, understands how important they are to the human condition. She just doesn't really have them.
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M.c.P posted:I dunno, Jones's little displays of affection could be the result of thousands of years of examination. Hundreds of generations of trial and error where she figures out what those facial expressions mean and what people respond best to. This makes the most sense and is the most sad of all because Jones is a completely likable character. If anything bad happens to her I will be devastated. To make a character like this so sympathetic is amazing.
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M.c.P posted:I dunno, Jones's little displays of affection could be the result of thousands of years of examination. Hundreds of generations of trial and error where she figures out what those facial expressions mean and what people respond best to. So basically what I'm taking from this is that in spite of her inability to feel emotion, she still "likes" people and wants to help them. And in a way, that makes her actions even more noble and altruistic, because she's not programmed to feel satisfaction or joy for helping people like we are.
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I guess Jones can't really have much creativity or imagination either. She seems to move along with world events rather than affect them. Also I suppose there's the question of etheric beings, who come into existence through man's desire to rationalise and create narrative. Can an etheric being cause another to come into being? (Assuming Coyote is right about anything)
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Humans came into being because Jones was so bored she imagined them. But she's still bored.
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M.c.P posted:I dunno, Jones's little displays of affection could be the result of thousands of years of examination. Hundreds of generations of trial and error where she figures out what those facial expressions mean and what people respond best to. Extrapolating further, I think I can figure out why she'd help people. Maybe there was a time when she destroyed to see what would happen, but building things - especially relationships among people - has far more interesting results. Perhaps Jones is trying not to be bored.
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Cat Mattress posted:Humans came into being because Jones was so bored she imagined them. Everything came into being because Jones was bored. That the only reason anything happens. The moment she is actually entertained by something, the universe will cease to exist.
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Boredom, or conversely an urge to explore things that are interesting, are also emotions though.
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MikeJF posted:Boredom, or conversely an urge to explore things that are interesting, are also emotions though. Are they? Could be an instinctive drive to seek out new life and new civilizations.
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Emotions are instinctive drives. There's a good chance this is about to devolve into a semantics argument, isn't there.
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MikeJF posted:Emotions are instinctive drives. Do you consider 100% good?
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Jones: Not a robot. She is a Magic Robot.
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