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horriblePencilist posted:But the thing is that both in US and EMH, Spidey meets the Avengers for the first time. Yeah, but that's just splitting hairs. I mean, if they really gave a poo poo and wanted to make it work (which I'm pretty sure they don't), they could probably handwave it pretty easy.
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horriblePencilist posted:I recently found about this new cartoon Disney greenlighted called Shezow. It's about a boy who finds a magic ring that gives him superpowers and a costume. Only thing is that the ring was only meant to be worn by girls, so the costume turns him into one. The concept is definitely interesting, to say the very least, but I'm curious about the execution, which is definitely going to make or break the show hard. Have you guys heard of it already? There isn't really a whole lot about the show on the internet, just some discussion, creepy fanart and the IMDb site. The only thing certain is that I am staying the gently caress away from bronies and tumblr when discussing the show. Wow, it's like they took one of those creepy transformation fetish comics on the internet and made it into a show  It looks like it's going to offend everyone: since his female side is ridiculously stereotyped (a lipstick lightsaber? seriously?  ) more liberal people will hate it for gender stereotyping while conservatives will hate it because trannies.
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Farbtoner posted:It looks like it's going to offend everyone: since his female side is ridiculously stereotyped (a lipstick lightsaber? seriously? I loving hate it when that happens. I don't give a poo poo what net creepers think about it or draw from it, unless it starts showing up when I'm looking up something unrelated. But it's disappointing that someone dared to bring up these subjects in a kid's show but probably won't be able to use it to do anything constructive.
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Farbtoner posted:Wow, it's like they took one of those creepy transformation fetish comics on the internet and made it into a show Yeah, they really wrote themselves in a corner with that one. On the one hand, the costume and powers being so overly girly is kind of the point of the whole thing, he probably wouldn't complain as much if he'd turn into a tomboy, but on the other hand many people will find it incredibly offensive. I mean, the target audience won't probably mind, but the creators will definitely get an internet-induced shitstorm.
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horriblePencilist posted:Yeah, they really wrote themselves in a corner with that one. On the one hand, the costume and powers being so overly girly is kind of the point of the whole thing, he probably wouldn't complain as much if he'd turn into a tomboy, but on the other hand many people will find it incredibly offensive. I mean, the target audience won't probably mind, but the creators will definitely get an internet-induced shitstorm. I think it could be avoided. Let's say he was part of a team of magical girls, so desperate they pull in a boy for whatever reason. First, now they can make the design less girly because he's part of a feminine team, immediately identifying the feminine aspect without needing as many trappings. He can be challenged by the transvestite transformation without just becoming "girly", most boys would be horrified to join a team of girls even though a team of boys with a token boyish girl is a common trope. Especially if he's NOT the leader. There are words in the English language that's only purpose is to denounce the very idea of being led by a woman. And then he has the rest of the team to talk about gender identity issues with, the other members who have been young women all their lives but are also challenged since fighting and proaction, no matter how you dress, are masculine traits. Stakes are higher since you are beginning with the premise of a team that's so hard up for members that they have to break an unthinkable rule to continue. Also you have more lead heros so more opportunity for merchandise, win-win. They did what they did so it's moot. (Also, the reason I could pull that idea out of my rear end is that it's some poo poo I came up with when I was 15 or something). But genderal issues in fiction... I've thought about it a bit and it's hard to discuss due to people getting silly with them.
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Aside from the premise I doubt that every or even many episodes are going to be about gender issue BS (and that those that are are pretty simplistic/generic.) I expect most of them will be generic save the day plots, it is a kids show afterall.
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Cliff Racer posted:Aside from the premise I doubt that every or even many episodes are going to be about gender issue BS (and that those that are are pretty simplistic/generic.) I expect most of them will be generic save the day plots, it is a kids show afterall. Genderal Issues don't really need to be all that mature to be handled. The least expected is to just say that feminine and masculine are not be-all end-all choices, that you do not have to be one or the other, and the other gender can actually think and make decisions. readingatwork posted:To date the only show that has ever managed to pulled off the "guy in drag" story arc to my satisfaction is Gumball. Well, Hirsch's recent interview about Gravity Falls kind of implied Mabel and Dipper will switch bodies in an upcoming episode so once Disney starts airing that again you may or may not be able to add another show to that list. Gravity Falls treatment of that kind of thing has already been a little controversial, or at the least frustratingly boring compared to the rest of their jokes.
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^^^ Eh. GF has built up a lot of good will with me so I'll trust them on this one.Cliff Racer posted:Aside from the premise I doubt that every or even many episodes are going to be about gender issue BS From IMDB: IMDB posted:Twelve year old, Guy Hamdon accidentally becomes a superhero, but the ring that gives him his powers was only meant to be worn by a woman. So whenever there's danger, Guy transforms into SheZow, a kick-rear end female superhero with big hair, high heels and a beautility belt that houses various super weapons concealed inside feminine products like laser lipstick and vanishing cream. Guy's aunt Agnes was secretly SheZow for years, until she died. Then Guy's family inherited her home. In the basement, Guy found her secret lair and her power ring. Well, actually his twin sister Kelly found the ring and was about to put it on, when Guy snatched it from her and and put it on, as a joke. But once on Guy's finger, the ring was stuck and he will forever be SheZow, a powerful superhero with super strength, super speed and a 6th sense called She-S-P. Guy would rather not wear pink spandex and a tight skirt, but it seems a small price to pay for such she-mendous super powers. Complete. loving. Disaster. readingatwork fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Nov 14, 2012 |
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Yes, I read the description too. I formed my opinion after reading it.
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In one of the teaser bits they hinted that Guy's best friend crushes on him when he's in girlmode. I can practically taste the evangelical outcry at that.
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Yonic Symbolism posted:I think it could be avoided. I think I've seen the whole guy-in-magical-girl-team-thing in some Fanime already. And by that, I mean there's one "episode" of the whole thing and nothing more. The concept sounds like it has potential, though. Again, I think I could work, assuming they won't gently caress it up, which is tremendously likely. However, the more I read about it, the less faith I have in it. I mean, that loving IMDb description? Really? The only way this could have been worse is if they'd said "She's one she-roic she-male". I'm just really curious what the internet will think of it once the first couple episodes hit. I mean, we already have terrifying fanart. Edit: Here's the intro for the show, and here's the original short it's based on, which initially ran on Shorty McShorts' Shorts. From the looks of it, it's just gonna be a generic hero-cartoon for kids, just with this really loving bizarre premise. Edit 2: The short again, but in much better quality. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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horriblePencilist posted:I mean, we already have Thanks for linking to drawn child porn, boss. Good job on the posting there. Everyone else: do not click that dude's creepy-rear end link.
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horriblePencilist posted:Here's the intro for the show, Ow! Jesus Christ it's like watching Johnny Test but with worse animation and a stupider premise.
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Farbtoner posted:In one of the teaser bits they hinted that Guy's best friend crushes on him when he's in girlmode. Because children's television doesn't have enough gay panic in it. I actually prefer Yonic's idea to make a show about a boy who becomes the reluctantly-included "token" member of a girl team. You could even have the girl team be ashamed, and try to disguise or underplay the fact that he's a boy. You could actually have a lot of fun with that premise. If you played your cards right, right-wingers would see it as a satire of how feminists already treat white men, and left-wingers would see it as a satire of gender roles, and an inversion of how men in American society treat or regard women. The original premise itself isn't terrible, just fraught with peril. There are about ten million ways to do it wrong. horriblePencilist posted:I looked up Obie Stan Wade, creator of the show. Turns out he wrote a couple episodes for Baby Looney Tunes and made a short called SheeZaam, which has the exact same premise, just even worse execution. I guess he really likes that idea. I don't know if I'm cynical, or perverted, or spoiled by the Internet, but I can't help but suspect that we're seeing a barely-sublimated fetish here. Two shows with the same premise says "fixation."
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PhazonLink posted:I'll probably get flack for this but this sounds like something Japan could do competently with a non creepy writing team. I'm, like, 80% sure they already have. I can't guarantee it isn't creepy though.
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PhazonLink posted:I'll probably get flack for this but this sounds like something Japan could do competently with a non creepy writing team. The odds of it having a non creepy writing team would still be pretty close to 0, especially in Japan. Remember, they invented moe.
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I'd say the biggest problem with this sort of show concept is that most of the humor involved would probably be stuff that the kids in the target demographic just wouldn't get. A show's no good if it can't reach its target demographic.PhazonLink posted:I'll probably get flack for this but this sounds like something Japan could do competently with a non creepy writing team. It was sorta the plot of Ranma 1/2. Japan doesn't really do proper superheroes unless giant robots are involved.
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^ There's probably enough space for material appealing to a younger audience. The whole social commentary doesn't have to be it's prime focus, plenty of shows during the 90s did a pretty good job at handling this very subtle. I think a good place to implement that reverse token member concept would be a Super Sentai series. It's probably against the rules or something to usually not have token girl in a Sentai team, and you could have a lot of fun experimenting with that premise and the different tropes around that format. I'm just not sure what target audience SheZow is supposed to have. Boys probably won't like it because of the heavy focus on girly stuff, and girls probably won't like the fact that the main character is a macho kid. There's probably shifts in attitude and personality to be had, and we don't know how it'll play those factors yet, but if they aren't careful, chances are it won't appeal to anybody. By the way, are 52 11-minute episodes normal for a new IP? That seems incredibly risky.
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readingatwork posted:I'm, like, 80% sure they already have. I can't guarantee it isn't creepy though. The anime/manga Kampfer is the only thing that springs to mind. It's pretty bad though.
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horriblePencilist posted:By the way, are 52 11-minute episodes normal for a new IP? That seems incredibly risky.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I'd say the biggest problem with this sort of show concept is that most of the humor involved would probably be stuff that the kids in the target demographic just wouldn't get. A show's no good if it can't reach its target demographic. No, the problem is that it's an entire show about forcing a guy into a dress and then mercilessly mocking him for it. It's the kind of humor that not only isn't funny but makes you feel embarrassed and awkward FOR the main character.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It was sorta the plot of Ranma 1/2. Japan doesn't really do proper superheroes unless giant robots are involved. I beg to differ.
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Finally watching the short. Adding my thoughts as things unfold: 0:40) Holy poo poo could this kid be any more "male"!? 0:46) First thing done by the white main character is be a colossal dick to the Mexican kid. Nice. 1:00) Are those two boys going to rape the Mexican kid? 1:11) I think this joke came off a bit more  than they intended.1:55) OH GOD KILL IT WITH FIRE!  2:30) It was around here that I realized that his voice didn't change. Is he still a guy then or what I don't even 2:44) So... Women have a spider sense that they can feel in their ovaries?  2:48) 1) gently caress you some kid being tied to a tree is not superhero level "danger"! 2) Blowjob TV?  3:18) Yup! There's that vicarious awkwardness I've been expecting.  3:46) Slap based superpowers gently caress me... 4:03) 4:25) I hate you show... I hate you! 4:55) Jose you are too stupid to live. Though if he ends up the legitimate love interest in the series proper that would be pretty loving hysterical. Hell. Going that route would actually give both characters legitimate depth. I'm pretty sure I'm giving the show too much credit though. 4:57) This moment of gay panic brought to you by enlightened writers on a quest to question gender norms. 5:09) Aaaaaand short over. At least the stupid is finally 5:19)  And no lessons were learned by anyone! Huzzah! Final verdict:  EDIT: In good cartoon news, be sure to catch the latest Episode of Gumball. Holy crap Darwin can sing!  readingatwork fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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This is literally something out of DeviantArt and at least some of those gender bending webcomics/art can be fun, but Jesus Christ this is awful. E: Was Ranma 1/2 good? I know a lot of people hate Inuyasha, is it in the same boat? achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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readingatwork posted:Huh... That's actually a really good idea for a story arc. Welp, they did exactly what I really didn't want them to in the second half of the Omniverse two parter. Ben and Rook's fight was a setup for Ben to get captured so that they could get at Khybar. At least Rook actually voiced valid concerns about Ben being an rear end in a top hat who keeps needing rescuing, but at the end of the episode no actual lessons where learned. Dear Ben, you are 17 years old now. Why are you still acting like you're 10?
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I finished my rewatch of Spectacular Spider-Man, and I'm sad all over again that it didn't get a third season. Or a fourth. Or a fifth.
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Magnus Condomus posted:Welp, they did exactly what I really didn't want them to in the second half of the Omniverse two parter. Ben and Rook's fight was a setup for Ben to get captured so that they could get at Khybar. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Nov 19, 2012 |
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I finished my rewatch of Spectacular Spider-Man, and I'm sad all over again that it didn't get a third season. Or a fourth. Or a fifth. Dammit, you made me sad again. That show was amazing. I would have loved seeing a second season for Wolverine and the X-Men. According to the creative team, the next season would have included Deadpool and Magik. I never got why Marvel never did a New Mutants series. X-Men Evolution practically was that, a bunch of teenage mutants being superheroes (and yeah, they eventually added the New Mutants), but I wanna see a legit show. The whole teenie drama would make sense, plus Mutants always mean new toys because there's like a million of them. Then again, I don't even wanna know how bad they'd make Warlock.
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achillesforever6 posted:I'm surprised no Marvel Cartoon has yet to put Deadpool in it based on his popularity. I mean the only good thing that could come from Ultimate Spiderman is if Deadpool crashes one of Spidey's stupid cutaway gags. Marvel and DC cartoons are too busy being trapped in the 80s or earlier to include someone as modernly popular as Deadpool. Even in the 90's he was too busy playing second fiddle to MR. 90'S XTREEEEEEME incarnate Cable (who did make it into X-Men somehow). Other than Black Nick Fury they stubbornly refuse to update even slightly in cast, design or storyline, and then are surprised when the success of their films or shows don't translate into book sales despite their books not matching the movies. Batman fans waited for more than two decades to see Cassandra Cain or Stephanie Brown in other Batman media, and instead we got Barbara, Barbara and more Barbara, to the point that when the New 52 rolled around they reset 20 years of character development to put her back under Batgirl's hood because fans "demanded," it. I wasn't a big fan of Wolverine and the X-Men, but I was so happy it was willing to take a chance on some of the more current characters like Domino. And then it got canceled. RIP. (We really need a Thunderbolts cartoon or movie. I would give a loving limb for Moonstone, Songbird and Mach V to get their day in the sun)
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Is the cutaway thing what you guys hate so much about Ultimate Spiderman? I only watch it if there's nothing better on, but I can't seem to find the vitriol for it that you guys do. I guess I'll have to give Spectacular another try. The first time around I couldn't get into it mostly because of the awful theme song and how everyone looked like Scott Pilgrim characters.
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raditts posted:Is the cutaway thing what you guys hate so much about Ultimate Spiderman? I only watch it if there's nothing better on, but I can't seem to find the vitriol for it that you guys do. Something about the artstyle on top of the dumb humor and voice acting just repulses me. Screen shots of it make me mad, no matter what the context. And it's infuriating that such a stupid show was unveiled after the cancellation of Spectacular Spider Man.
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