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The only good thing about Tuyop's latest money furnace idea is that it's far enough in the future that he'll probably forget about it after a few more manic "spend all my money on this GREAT IDEA!"/depressive "I'm a failure. I will eat nothing but rice and beans, and live in a sleeping bag in a park." swings. Although considering his life so far, maybe a house with a built-in ambulance bay would actually be a good investment.  Then again, knowing his luck, he'd have an emergency and the ambulance would crash trying to get out of his non-standard bay!So here's an updated design, taking the trends of Tuyop's life into account:  Okay, it's not the prettiest floorplan in the world, but I don't have DIY house building experience. Maybe I'll come back after spending $500,000 on building a microhouse for my basil aquaponics & make an even better plan. But for now, look at all that counter space!
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Haifisch posted:So here's an updated design, taking the trends of Tuyop's life into account: FTFY Tuyop, does Canada have those budget management services that effectively take care of your finances for you? Like mybudget here in Australia? Because your frankly bipolar attitude towards money makes me think that the less direct control you have over your finances, the better.
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If you're interested in building and construction, why don't you get a job in that instead of going back to school? That way you'll pick up the skills and experience required for you to be able to build your own house. I think building your own house is pretty cool, as long as it's not a "learn by doing" kind of experience because then your house is likely to be garbage.
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Haifisch posted:The only good thing about Tuyop's latest money furnace idea is that it's far enough in the future that he'll probably forget about it after a few more manic "spend all my money on this GREAT IDEA!"/depressive "I'm a failure. I will eat nothing but rice and beans, and live in a sleeping bag in a park." swings. So you're saying I should just live in a stone henge sort of arrangement in an arid field somewhere? I guess I'll take these arguments into consideration. I'm hearing a lot of "can't" here though!
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You know what? Do whatever you want, tuyop. It's clear you've learned very little from this thread as you jump from one money pit of a fantasy to another without showing any form of sober reflection, instead needing to consult the Internet and have it perform your critical thinking for you. Indulge all of your get rich quick schemes, your build your own house fantasies, hell even buy yourself a freeman on the land textbook to save yourself the inconvenience of paying those pesky taxes. Just lay down your burden an accept your new life as the Goofus of financial decision making. At least others can learn from your example.
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If you want to do the tiny house thing, why not just buy one that's already made? http://tinyhouselistings.com/ Some of these are actually pretty nice-looking, and most are priced for less than your car. Once you are out of debt, that is.
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tuyop posted:I guess I'll take these arguments into consideration. I'm hearing a lot of "can't" here though! Not can't just that the whole idea is a money pit disaster that would gently caress your finances for longer than your current situation. tl;dr your idea is stupid.
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Tuyop we're not talking about an absolute can't here. Conceivably someone would be able to pull this sort of endeavor off. That person is not you. Stick to getting out of debt, posing nude for pay, and writing werewolf erotica.
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Argh is there anything more infuriating than people pumped up full of this 'you can do anything if you try hard enough!!!' nonsense? 'Can't' isn't a naughty word. It's your reality, right now.
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Nov 21, 2012 15:02
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April posted:If you want to do the tiny house thing, why not just buy one that's already made? I like tiny houses. Then again, my SO live in a 700 sq ft apartment in Manhattan. Tuyop, why not consider a yurt? They're cool as hell and look to be cheaper too.
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Mulatto Butts posted:Tuyop we're not talking about an absolute can't here. Conceivably someone would be able to pull this sort of endeavor off. Tuyop, I hate to break this to you but building a house is significantly more difficult than changing your Canadian Government MyAccount password or filing your taxes on time. Baby steps, honey.
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HipGnosis posted:Tuyop, I hate to break this to you but building a house is significantly more difficult than changing your Canadian Government MyAccount password or filing your taxes on time. Good call, that example is absolute evidence of my complete inability to do anything difficult in life. I should really work on silly, unnecessary bureaucratic inconveniences before I, like, get a degree or lead a dismounted fighting patrol after not sleeping for 96 hours, clearly. Oh wait.
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tuyop posted:Good call, that example is absolute evidence of my complete inability to do anything difficult in life. I should really work on silly, unnecessary bureaucratic inconveniences before I, like, get a degree or lead a dismounted fighting patrol after not sleeping for 96 hours, clearly. Oh wait. Building a house involves a fuckload of "silly, unnecessary bureaucratic inconveniences", you idiot.
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You're a moron, but you're even more of a moron for thinking building a house won't involve "unnecessary bureaucratic inconveniences." If you can't be hosed to manage the little things why should you be trusted to handle the big things?
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tuyop posted:Good call, that example is absolute evidence of my complete inability to do anything difficult in life. I should really work on silly, unnecessary bureaucratic inconveniences before I, like, get a degree or lead a dismounted fighting patrol after not sleeping for 96 hours, clearly. Oh wait. Um yeah and filing your taxes aren't a bureaucratic inconvenience. That's why the government penalizes you (not even "you" in the abstract, editorial sense here either, they have literally penalized you, Tuyop) if you don't.
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Nov 21, 2012 19:22
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Tuyop, I ask this sincerely: are you on your medication right now?
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tuyop posted:Good call, that example is absolute evidence of my complete inability to do anything difficult in life. I should really work on silly, unnecessary bureaucratic inconveniences before I, like, get a degree or lead a dismounted fighting patrol after not sleeping for 96 hours, clearly. Oh wait. Bro. Construction of a house is different from filing your taxes an leading a fighting patrol (good for you! I didn't know you operated in that capacity). I'm telling you this because I came from a family of blue collar workers and have worked in residential construction for 2 years. Even though I had my hands in pretty much everything to do with houses (except electrical and installing plumbing), I do not have enough confidence to think I can build a home from scratch. Too many things can go wrong here and you shouldn't be daydreaming that stuff. I wouldn't fault you for eventually having a home of your own (built or bought, whatever) because even I feel the same way even though I already own a property. We're not saying that you can't do this. We're saying that you shouldn't do this for the sake of your health and future consideration. Unless you are secretly Mike Holmes then disregard everything I said but a 575sqft house is gross no matter how you look at it.
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quote:I think DIY has the potential to be a huge headache and very dangerous, particularly when doing the wiring and maybe plumbing. quote:bureaucratic inconveniences You're in Ontario, right? Better get started on your reading. Here's your first big bureaucratic inconvenience... your local building code. http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_060350_e.htm By the way, if your province is even remotely like anywhere I've ever lived, you outright cannot do your own wiring and plumbing without being registered and qualified to do it. You won't be able to get the electrical and plumbing permits.
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He’s going to build it anyway, and when he’s all done he will call the cable company who will then tell him his house isn't on any map and therefore doesn’t exist.
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That house is cute, if you don't have much stuff. The loft upstairs is big enough for hobby-type stuff, and helps you keep the downstairs neat. BUT 1) There is no utility closet. Maybe you're meant to put it all outside or upstairs or something, but Nova Scotia is not California. You're going to need proper heating. I have no idea where they mean the hot water heater to go. 2) There is no laundry. Even our apartment has its own laundry. I'll have to fall far and hard before I ever waste time and money in a laundromat again, and whoever has to do laundry for you guys will come to regret the lack, I promise. 3) I doubt the plans for this house include sufficient insulation for Canada. Even if you can just add more -- I have no idea -- it will add significantly to the cost of building. 4) The loft is great for storage, but there's going to be a lot of climbing up and down the ladder, because there just isn't enough closet space on the first floor. I get the appeal of minimalist living, in an abstract way that I personally could never accomplish, but you really have to think about your actual needs. These houses are designed more for warm climates, I think. It's okay to dream about what you'd do with your money if you ever get out of debt, just don't actually spend anything on it now. Your thoughts or income may change by the time you actually save up enough money to get to work on it. Heck, whether you mean to have kids or not, sometimes kids happen. You can daydream all you want, read library books about building if you want, just don't commit financially to something like this now, when you can't afford to.
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Oh, and the yurt suggestion is AWESOME. I saw Tulpan those kazakhs were doing fine. Quantum Finger posted:Tuyop, I ask this sincerely: are you on your medication right now? Yes! though I think it might not be working so much lately Also, nothing bad happened for not doing my taxes on time. I actually got 610 dollars from it, and toeshoes got almost 2000! And CRA's MyAccount service IS a silly bureaucratic inconvenience because there are literally at least three other ways for me to do my taxes. Building permits may be inconvenient but I'm not sure how silly they are, since I'm a retard at construction and could easily kill my family in an electrical fire if not for those regulations. Now, why is a 700 sq foot house disgusting? Is it air flow or something? The largest place I've lived in since moving out was 770 square feet and I ended up having three German travellers living in my living room while I wrote my thesis because I wasn't using any of the space.
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It's dumb to spend 80% of the cost of building a reasonable-sized house, to wind up with a house having 50% of the market value of a reasonable-sized house. Here's the thing. The large majority of home buyers have or are going to have kids. There is a large jump in value going from one bedroom to two, and an even bigger jump going from two to three. Having two bathrooms is also much better than just one. And I'm not talking about McMansions. I'm talking about the difference between a 900 square foot cottage and an 1100 square foot house. The added cost in expanding even a little is not much compared to how much more it winds up being worth. The secondary issue is the "build it myself" thing. That's pretty much guaranteed to hurt your value because your hand-built house is going to be quite evidently lower in quality than something built by a professional. Why? Well, because - and I realize this flies in the face of the self-starter bootstraps handyman DIY ethos - people who have actual experience and skill and training at doing a thing can do it better than people who don't. It's pretty casually disrespectful of actual homebuilders - carpenters, plumbers, roofers, and yes, general contractors too - to suggest that you can do their jobs just as good as they can and therefore they're dispensable. I guess the idea is to save money on labor costs, and yes, that can happen. But there is a tradeoff, and it's not just the value of your own time and the much longer time it'd take to get construction done. It's also quality. But even if you leave ALL of that poo poo aside; you're an accident-prone fuckup, Tuyop. Bizarre mistakes and dumb situations seem to swirl about you like the ever-present miasma of filth surrounding Pigpen from the Peanuts cartoons. Perhaps someday you'll be able to shrug that off, but until then, you should account for it when you make your plans. Surely, surely someone like you should not undertake to build a house himself? You're going to drop a beam on your leg, or somehow drown in two inches of wet concrete, or at the very least, destroy thousands of dollars of housing materials because you read a blueprint wrong. And then you're going to have to pay through the nose to have a professional come in and rescue you because you have permit deadlines and the weather is turning bad and you have to get the paint on and dry before the first snow. Demonstrate for a good four or five years that you've entirely put your financial problems behind you, have managed to secure a reliable career, are happy with where you live, are certain you will never have children, and at that point you'll be in a reasonable position to consider buying a house that already exists. If you insist on a tiny one, go for it: they're cheaper anyway. I'm sure they're around. But I just don't believe you will ever be the kind of person for whom a project of this level of complexity and financial risk is a good idea.
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tuyop posted:Oh, and the yurt suggestion is AWESOME. I saw Tulpan those kazakhs were doing fine. I too used to live in a 500sqft apartment and survived just fine only because I was living on my own. My wife and I lived in a 600sqft apartment and survived just fine only because we worked alternative shifts (day for her, night for me). With a wife and a child on the way, a 900sqft place is getting borderline between comfortable and cramped. Then again, I do know someone who's married with 2 kids under the age of 3 living in downtown Vancouver in a 500sqft one bedroom condo. My next move involves a minimum of 1800sqft house not incl. the garage.
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For the love of god, that floor plan doesn't even have a single closet or a laundry room.
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tuyop posted:Good call, that example is absolute evidence of my complete inability to do anything difficult in life. I should really work on silly, unnecessary bureaucratic inconveniences before I, like, get a degree or lead a dismounted fighting patrol after not sleeping for 96 hours, clearly. Oh wait. Nothing you've said has any relevance to construction. Most of my business is sorting out bureaucratic problems and helping my clients not gently caress up their building consents. In the industry there are a lot of people who aren't cut out for this work and they have engineering degrees. A degree doesn't make you an expert in an unrelated field. I don't know what you're getting at with discussing patrol exercises. A friend of mine who I trained with at Kung Fu for 7 years died last year while leading an SAS assault on an insurgent base. You know what, he did what he was good at. He didn't spend his time building kit set houses.
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tuyop posted:...or lead a dismounted fighting patrol after not sleeping for 96 hours, clearly. Oh wait. Didn't you get medically disqualified before you ever left Her Majesty's Canadian Soil? I don't think you can use "leading a fighting patrol" as an example of your success if you broke yourself before you ever did it for real.
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Dongue Quixote posted:Didn't you get medically disqualified before you ever left Her Majesty's Canadian Soil? I don't think you can use "leading a fighting patrol" as an example of your success if you broke yourself before you ever did it for real. Yes. I think you're misunderstanding me. HipGnosis posted:Tuyop, I hate to break this to you but building a house is significantly more difficult than changing your Canadian Government MyAccount password or filing your taxes on time. I read this as, "You can't do [incredibly simple task], because you're incompetent. Therefore you can't do [very complicated task]." All I meant was that I have done difficult and complicated things, despite not having done some examples of easy and simple things, so I have the capacity and HipGnosis is just being a dick. Also, I feel pretty strongly that even though it's kind of silly, leading a fighting patrol in training is still pretty loving difficult because over 75% of people fail at it after having already gone through 1-3 years of army training. Certainly all of the people who can fix their CRA MyAccount problems could not lead a fighting patrol. Edit: But you guys are right of course, I can't build a house right now. I think I could build a yurt, though! Edit edit: Also, you're right. The laundry machines are under the counters and the hot water is from one of those on demand water heater things. Closets are used to store things that you aren't using. This seems kind of silly, really. If you're not using some things, why do you own so many of them that you need a whole other room dedicated to storing them? tuyop fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Nov 21, 2012 |
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tuyop posted:Yes. I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm getting really annoyed at your whole "Rawr I was in the military and I am superior" attitude. Fact is, not being able to do a simple task can often mean that you won't do a complicated task as well. If you can't do your taxes on time or bother to fix your CRA account, how are you going to deal with all the paperwork and details involved in building a loving house, even a tiny one? I have one closet in my apartment and I don't have enough space. I don't own that many clothes but I don't wear them all at the same drat time so I need someplace to store them. Multiple that by two people, misc stuff like vacuums cleaning supplies, seasonal poo poo etc. And you don't need a closet? Jesus christ.
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tuyop posted:Closets are used to store things that you aren't using. This seems kind of silly, really. If you're not using some things, why do you own so many of them that you need a whole other room dedicated to storing them? Sometime, I don't feel like leaving my clothes on the floor.
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Also, I don't feel like buying a new set of screwdrivers every time I need to do a quick fix around the house (which admittedly, in your case, would be all the time) so I store it in a closet so that when something breaks from time to time it's an easy fix!
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I don't know about you guys, but I just live in a nest made out of Christmas wrapping paper, power tools, linens, and camping gear. gently caress closets!!
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tuyop posted:Closets are used to store things that you aren't using. This seems kind of silly, really. If you're not using some things, why do you own so many of them that you need a whole other room dedicated to storing them? Absolutely, this is why I only own one shirt, one pair of pants and one pair of underwear. Don't let these closet-normative clowns lead you down a path of materialism.
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asmallrabbit posted:I'm getting really annoyed at your whole "Rawr I was in the military and I am superior" attitude. Fact is, not being able to do a simple task can often mean that you won't do a complicated task as well. If you can't do your taxes on time or bother to fix your CRA account, how are you going to deal with all the paperwork and details involved in building a loving house, even a tiny one? This. Most of us work at a job where we can make more money doing what we specialise in per hour than doing stuff like building houses. There are a few steps you need to take before buying a house or contracting someone to build it. First is dropping the idea of building a house. Of all the people I know that tried on build their house only one succeeded. The one that succeed has a civil engineering degree along with significant building experience. He's my former boss who I subcontract to do work for me. Second you need to get a deposit together once you have paid your debts. Then finance buying a house. If you still want to build a house at this point become a builder (as a full time job) and gain the necessary tools, skills and knowledge to contribute to building your own house. At least this way you will have somewhere to live while you build it. This advice is intended to stop you from making GBS threads up your life with unnecessary problems and a house that would be a financial disaster.
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tuyop posted:Yes. I think you're misunderstanding me. People pointing out that you are not qualified to build a house are not trying to insult you, they are trying to get you to be realistic. Saying "you don't have the experience or training to do this thing" is not the same thing as saying "you're not good at anything". If you could get over yourself for 2 minutes you'd realize that being skilled at one thing, or several things, does not automatically mean you will be proficient at everything you attempt. I'm very good at researching mineral ownership, that does not mean I should try my hand at brain surgery. Not to mention the fact that you are getting all bent out of shape over this hypothetical imaginary house, when you've got real actual issues that need to be dealt with. It's the basil thing all over again. You have a poo poo-ton of debt. Your employment/income situation seems to be somewhat tenuous. And now you're upset because people are pointing out that you are looking at spending $40-60k on something that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. Why do you fixate on these crackpot ideas and defend them so vehemently?
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tuyop posted:Closets are used to store things that you aren't using. This seems kind of silly, really. If you're not using some things, why do you own so many of them that you need a whole other room dedicated to storing them? You're absolutely right. Why have a closet when you can just have 1 set of linens, 1 towel, 1 set of clothes and a pair of shoes. Every day you can come home from your job and strip down to the buff, carefully wash the garments in the sink (who needs a washing machine?) and hang them up to dry on a rack near the oh gently caress, where are the heaters? <dies of frostbite> <again> Dude, we're ripping into you because going from army stuff to desk work to teaching work is a fine career path. Nowhere in there were steps likely to give you the skills and experience needed to put together a house successfully. You probably learned to dig a latrine hole but that's a far cry from digging out and leveling a patch of earth for a foundation. Over a few summers I helped build a garage with my dad, as well as a few decks and a concrete walkway for him and his buddies. I got to learn how to work with concrete, run a transit to make sure we were squared up nicely, frame, roof and do light electrical. They knew all the code stuff so I just had to swing a hammer and try not to maim myself too often. Even with having put together structures that resemble a house, holy poo poo dude that is a serious undertaking for a *crew* of young dudes to tackle. You've got a messed up back, there's no way in hell you'll be of any use sheetrocking. Just humping thirty pound bales of roofing tiles up a ladder is going to wreck you. That doesn't include hunching over and hammering them into place. Building stuff is great and it's a lot of hard work. When it comes to your house I'd much rather hire good people and let their craftsmanship shine through rather than muddle through it myself. If you had posted, "I really love these minimal sized houses and me and toeshoes are looking at getting into one" we'd be talking about saving for a downpayment and resale value and what areas you were interested in. Because you gave us the jawdropping announcement that you want to build one of these hobbit huts yourself we just can't let that go. Dude, no. Don't do this. Also, don't live in a yurt. For gently caress's sake stop trying to make your life miserable. "Gosh honey, it sure is swell that we aren't all caught up with traditional dwellings and have rejected Western materialism. Please pass me the piss pot, I feel that chicory root coffee running through me." Living in a yurt? Christ.
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Does this thread have anything even remotely related to BFC in here anymore? Tuyop's odd swings from cherry-picked one liner replies, to in-depth sperganalysis, to bitingly defensive quips are indicative of someone that's either 1) trolling or 2) afflicted by some kind of psychological issue. I mean, I haven't seen a chart or a graph in what feels like months, and to be honest, I don't even know what Tuyop's financial situation, and goals, are anymore. I was going to re-read his post history, but I thought I'd post instead. This thread is just like some kind of weird chatroom about BASIL and nudism and construction, with a tiny sprinkling of whining about bureaucracy. It seems like this:tuyop posted:Yes! though I think it might not be working so much lately ...is what we should be focusing on. Go see a psychologist, Tuyop, something is wrong with you.
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Kobayashi posted:Does this thread have anything even remotely related to BFC in here anymore? Tuyop's odd swings from cherry-picked one liner replies, to in-depth sperganalysis, to bitingly defensive quips are indicative of someone that's either 1) trolling or 2) afflicted by some kind of psychological issue. I mean, I haven't seen a chart or a graph in what feels like months, and to be honest, I don't even know what Tuyop's financial situation, and goals, are anymore. I was going to re-read his post history, but I thought I'd post instead. This thread is just like some kind of weird chatroom about BASIL and nudism and construction, with a tiny sprinkling of whining about bureaucracy. It seems like this: It's the ritual beating with sticks while he goes through a manic phase where he is at the peak of his inappropriate spending behaviour. This is where he is fixated on the idea when he should put it aside for a week and then consider it later. He can't put aside his emotional attachment to the idea either, and he's unwilling to accept that it would not make him healthy or happy to proceed with it.
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