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Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.



lil mortimer posted:

If you don't want to put up with your liberal relatives gloating at the Thanksgiving table, pretend you're a liberal and come up with fun scenarios like, "I made an A in biology but three other students got Fs so my professor asked if it would be okay if I'd take a C so everyone can have a passing grade." Heh, or you can give everyone at the table a shot glass full of eggnog and tell them you're just trying to be fair. Your relatives won't be mad at you because you aren't arguing with them and maybe they'll understand why "spreading the wealth" just makes no darn sense.

That was the hour of Hannity I listened to yesterday.
That'd make complete sense if the kid getting the A started school with countless tutors, a research team, and already had a Harvard diploma, and he was bitching about the F students being offered a tutor they could share by the school because it just "wasn't fair" they got one.

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Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Conservative "jokes".

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

lil mortimer posted:

If you don't want to put up with your liberal relatives gloating at the Thanksgiving table, pretend you're a liberal and come up with fun scenarios like, "I made an A in biology but three other students got Fs so my professor asked if it would be okay if I'd take a C so everyone can have a passing grade." Heh, or you can give everyone at the table a shot glass full of eggnog and tell them you're just trying to be fair. Your relatives won't be mad at you because you aren't arguing with them and maybe they'll understand why "spreading the wealth" just makes no darn sense.

That was the hour of Hannity I listened to yesterday.

I get the strongest impression that so many conservatives must have grown up in really lovely situations to have such a massive hoarding FYGM mentality over everything. They look around at the plenty and wealth of the modern world and think 'There's barely enough to go around! Why should I share!'

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

lil mortimer posted:

If you don't want to put up with your liberal relatives gloating at the Thanksgiving table, pretend you're a liberal and come up with fun scenarios like, "I made an A in biology but three other students got Fs so my professor asked if it would be okay if I'd take a C so everyone can have a passing grade." Heh, or you can give everyone at the table a shot glass full of eggnog and tell them you're just trying to be fair. Your relatives won't be mad at you because you aren't arguing with them and maybe they'll understand why "spreading the wealth" just makes no darn sense.

That was the hour of Hannity I listened to yesterday.
"This Thanksgiving, if your relatives disagree with you on politics, you should ruin the evening by being an argumentative rear end in a top hat. For AMERICA!" -- Sean Hannity

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

lil mortimer posted:

If you don't want to put up with your liberal relatives gloating at the Thanksgiving table, pretend you're a liberal and come up with fun scenarios like, "I made an A in biology but three other students got Fs so my professor asked if it would be okay if I'd take a C so everyone can have a passing grade." Heh, or you can give everyone at the table a shot glass full of eggnog and tell them you're just trying to be fair. Your relatives won't be mad at you because you aren't arguing with them and maybe they'll understand why "spreading the wealth" just makes no darn sense.

That was the hour of Hannity I listened to yesterday.

Look man just because you spend the holidays drinking alone doesn't mean we all do.

turnip kid
May 24, 2010
I agree with whomever said Hannity is the absolute worse. Sure, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage and all the others are really bad, but there's something about Hannity that hits me in a way no one else does. The guy constantly falls all over himself in order to uphold the virtue of the Republican party. The other guys usually find one or two things wrong with the party. Not Hannity, though... And he has the smuggest "I'm a Republican!" face God could've created.

If you've never heard a Hannity argument, you're lucky. I've never heard more loaded gotcha questions out of anyone else's mouth. He is definitely talented.

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011

Guilty Spork posted:

"This Thanksgiving, if your relatives disagree with you on politics, you should ruin the evening by being an argumentative rear end in a top hat. For AMERICA!" -- Sean Hannity

This is funny, because the point of that segment (according to Hannity) was not to argue with your "gloating liberal relatives" now that Obama has been re-elected. Instead Hannity advised his listeners to avoid arguing by "not getting angry," but instead to pretend to agree with your insufferable fucker of a liberal aunt (roughly paraphrasing there) by saying that all wealth should be seized and redistributed, and all A's should be made into C's, and generally (I'm not exaggerating here, only paraphrasing) to be a smarmy, passive-aggressive megacunt who trolls his own family at the dinner table. I can not emphasize enough how this really was the gist of the segment.

FAMILY VALUES

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Don't worry, if Romney had won the election I'm sure Hannity would have encouraged his conservative listeners to restrain themsaahahahahahaha.

He is a Republican cheerleader of the worst type, who will say nothing negative about the direction of the party or its leaders until they lose, at which point it was because liberals rigged the election or the candidates weren't Reaganesque enough.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Back when I had to drive around with my parents conservative radio was constantly on so now my brain has been permanently rewired that whenever I hear or read Hannity's name I immediately get the "Freedom Ring" song stuck in my head. He was playing that like every commercial break eight years after 9/11 and I have no idea what a song about someone's mom burning down their house to kill herself and her abusive husband has to do with AMERICA but whatever.

Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Nov 21, 2012

turnip kid
May 24, 2010
His show still uses that song. I think it still uses the "ALL ABOARD THE STOP OBAMA EXPRESS" as well. Hannity keeps going on about how much fun he's having since Obama won. Fun, guys! See, I'm loving this! I'm not mad, honest!

Axetrain
Sep 14, 2007

Hannity is easily the worst. Rush,Levin,Savage,Coulter are just parodies of themselves now and so easily characterized that a left wing person can just laugh at them as some sort of dark humor. Not Hannity though, the smug arrogant sureness and total hatred and disdain towards any ideas and any person not hisown/himself makes anyone with a shred of decency want to throw him down a flight of stairs. Even Bill O'Reilly who used to be the arch-conservative jackass comes across as almost (but not really) reasonable by today's post right shifted overton window world.

LaserShark
Oct 17, 2007

It's over, idiot. You're gonna die here and now, and the last words out of your mouth will have been 'poop train.'

lil mortimer posted:

His show still uses that song. I think it still uses the "ALL ABOARD THE STOP OBAMA EXPRESS" as well. Hannity keeps going on about how much fun he's having since Obama won. Fun, guys! See, I'm loving this! I'm not mad, honest!

His show the day after the election was a lot of fun. He wasn't bitter! He was so not bitter, in fact, that he insisted like a couple dozen times that he wasn't bitter.

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.
'Outfoxed', a documentary on fox news and it's position as an arm of the republican party is up on Netflix. If you or any of your friends have come of age after or during the 2008 election, I HIGHLY recommend it. It was made shortly after the '04 election, which were dark times. It's amazing how bleak poo poo looked back then.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Full Battle Rattle posted:

'Outfoxed', a documentary on fox news and it's position as an arm of the republican party is up on Netflix. If you or any of your friends have come of age after or during the 2008 election, I HIGHLY recommend it. It was made shortly after the '04 election, which were dark times. It's amazing how bleak poo poo looked back then.

Yeah, it was a time when the lunatics were running the asylum - and it took the shock of katrina incompetence + the EXTENDED disaster of the iraq and other wars + the 2008 crash to wake people up to the fact that the American right really doesn't have a loving clue how to run a country.

The Bush admin is already going down in history as one of the most hated administrations ever - and it's entirely deserved. We're not going to fully recover from the extensive damage they did for decades.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Spacedad posted:

Yeah, it was a time when the lunatics were running the asylum - and it took the shock of katrina incompetence + the EXTENDED disaster of the iraq and other wars + the 2008 crash to wake people up to the fact that the American right really doesn't have a loving clue how to run a country.

The Bush admin is already going down in history as one of the most hated administrations ever - and it's entirely deserved. We're not going to fully recover from the extensive damage they did for decades.

He's no James Buchanan, but Bush was certainly the worst in my lifetime.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Axetrain posted:

Hannity is easily the worst. Rush,Levin,Savage,Coulter are just parodies of themselves now and so easily characterized that a left wing person can just laugh at them as some sort of dark humor. Not Hannity though, the smug arrogant sureness and total hatred and disdain towards any ideas and any person not hisown/himself makes anyone with a shred of decency want to throw him down a flight of stairs. Even Bill O'Reilly who used to be the arch-conservative jackass comes across as almost (but not really) reasonable by today's post right shifted overton window world.

His sniveling voice is worst part too - hearing that peevish demagoguery coming from someone with such an insufferable nasal twang.

He's basically a walking caricature of 'willfully ignorant and over-privileged college republican.'

Edit: Charlie Brooker pretty much nails it when he talks about Hannity here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aEk864YrKw

Spacedad fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Nov 21, 2012

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Spacedad posted:

He's basically a walking caricature of 'willfully ignorant and over-privileged college republican.'

Except for the part where he went to college.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Zwabu posted:

Except for the part where he went to college.

Ah yes. :allears:

And the disdain and irrational distrust for those who did go to college.

Undead Unicorn
Sep 14, 2010

by Lowtax

lil mortimer posted:

or you can give everyone at the table a shot glass full of eggnog and tell them you're just trying to be fair. Your relatives won't be mad at you because you aren't arguing with them and maybe they'll understand why "spreading the wealth" just makes no darn sense.

Wait what? Why didn't you buy more eggnog? Because that is what you WHOULD do if you don't have enough for a full glass for everyone.

He is literally making fun of basic courtesy now.

The Ender
Aug 2, 2012

MY OPINIONS ARE NOT WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN SHIT

quote:

I get the strongest impression that so many conservatives must have grown up in really lovely situations to have such a massive hoarding FYGM mentality over everything. They look around at the plenty and wealth of the modern world and think 'There's barely enough to go around! Why should I share!'

Well, not Hannity. He grew-up in a very posh NYC neighborhood, made a name for himself by airing an AIDS denialist piece (and then being defended by the ACLU over his first amendment rights when the radio station tossed him out on his rear end) and made a an absolute killing by going on the afternoon talk radio circuit (starting in Athens, which shouldn't much of a surprise).

He really is just a human-shaped poo poo stain, always has been and always will be. There wasn't some cruel factor in his life that twisted him into what he is today; he just smugly decided one day to loft the scepter and grace the throne as the king of Fortress Retard.

EDIT:

Spacedad posted:

Ah yes. :allears:

And the disdain and irrational distrust for those who did go to college.

In fairness, he did attend university.

I mean, he dropped out, but he still went.

The Ender fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Nov 21, 2012

Aatrek
Jul 19, 2004

by Fistgrrl
I'll never not love this interview with Bill Clinton wiping the floor with Chris Wallace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY

Axetrain
Sep 14, 2007

Aatrek posted:

I'll never not love this interview with Bill Clinton wiping the floor with Chris Wallace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY

Stuff like this and the way FOX news presents itself these days is why you will never again see a prominent democrat on the FOX network.

The Ender
Aug 2, 2012

MY OPINIONS ARE NOT WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN SHIT

Aatrek posted:

I'll never not love this interview with Bill Clinton wiping the floor with Chris Wallace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY

I have to say, I watch a lot of that interview with a very sick feeling stirring in my gut.

"Look, we were gonna go stomping around and kill anyone caught in our path much sooner in an attempt to assassinate Bin Laden, but those brown people and the CIA and the FBI wouldn't allow it until after 9/11!"

I can appreciate Clinton absolutely dominating Wallace rhetorically, but my God that man is a loving rear end in a top hat. Great way to bow out of the office, Bill, bombing a pharmaceuticals plant in order to deflect attention from your affair.

The Ender fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Nov 22, 2012

Von Sloneker
Jul 6, 2009

as if all this was something more
than another footnote on a postcard from nowhere,
another chapter in the handbook for exercises in futility
For all I know, it was posted already in this very thread (between this, the election threads, the freeper thread, the forwarded email thread oh god it goes on and on I'm getting fuzzy) but the response to the "socialist classroom thought experiment" is this, as posted by another SA user.

Mo_Steel posted:

There are so many obvious lines of attack on this particular often reused parable (socialism is improperly used in the example, Obama has presented a mostly center-right administration particularly where economics is concerned, etc.), but the most obvious one is that the structure and distribution of grades is nowhere close to analogous to money.

To get a more apt example, you need to limit the amount of possible points available to the entire class. We'll set the student number at 100 for simplicity and the limit at 7,000 points per test so that if it was evenly distributed among all 100 students everyone would get a C on each 100 point test. Let's assume that the distribution of all points follows the current U.S. distribution of income. Here's how we end up:

Top 20: 4,137 points, average grade: A+ (206 points out of 100)
Second 20: 1,323 points, average grade: D (66 points out of 100)
Third 20: 812 points, average grade: F (41 points out of 100)
Fourth 20: 497 points, average grade: F (25 points out of 100)
Bottom 20: 245 points, average grade: F (12 points out of 100)

Congratulations, 3/5ths of the class flunked and 1/5th barely passed while 1/5th got more points than they will ever need to pass. None of this accounts for the amount of studying each quintile did by the way; some of the bottom 20 students worked their asses off doing 80 hours of studying just to scrape by with their 12 points each. Why did the top 20 do so well? They own the pencils and sharpeners and only agreed to let the other students use the pencils and sharpeners if they gave up some points to do so.

Welcome to capitalism.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

lil mortimer posted:

That was the hour of Hannity I listened to yesterday.

The bon mots of Sean Hannity form the entirety of right-wingers smug talking points at work and Thanksgiving. They look to him desperately as a savior.



quote:

It is 2021, tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of 9/11. America is under oppression by ultra-liberal extremists which have yielded governing authority to the United Nations. It is up to an underground conservative group (known as F.O.I.L.) led by Sean Hannity, G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North to thwart Ambassador Usama Bin Laden’s plans to nuke New York City.

woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Nov 22, 2012

The Ender
Aug 2, 2012

MY OPINIONS ARE NOT WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN SHIT

SedanChair posted:

The bon mots of Sean Hannity form the entirety of right-wingers smug talking points at work and Thanksgiving. They look to him desperately as a savior.



...That comic is satirical, right?

Right?

EDIT:

Hahahahahahahaha

http://www.comiccritique.com/cgi-bin/greview.pl?id=380

quote:

I can imagine the difficulty Mike Mackey encountered trying to get this story published. All sorts of controversial comicbooks get published — pornography and, in the past, graphic horror — but comicbooks from an overt conservative point of view are rare, and this is the only one I know of that demonizes liberals. So hats off to Mackey, artist Donny Lin and the others who were able to achieve publication of Liberality For All in an era where soon it perhaps will not be possible.

4/5 stars for this genius masterpiece.

The Ender fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Nov 22, 2012

CatCannons
Oct 21, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Axetrain posted:

Hannity is easily the worst. Rush,Levin,Savage,Coulter are just parodies of themselves now and so easily characterized that a left wing person can just laugh at them as some sort of dark humor. Not Hannity though, the smug arrogant sureness and total hatred and disdain towards any ideas and any person not hisown/himself makes anyone with a shred of decency want to throw him down a flight of stairs. Even Bill O'Reilly who used to be the arch-conservative jackass comes across as almost (but not really) reasonable by today's post right shifted overton window world.

There was a video of him calling out alexdra pelosi at a tea party rally and being all smug about it, but I can't find it. He is a grade a douche bag.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Phone posted:

Conservative "jokes".

Conservatives actually ARE funny - just not intentionally. They are eternally Elmer Fudds to the Bugs Bunnys of the world. It's funny to see a bully get taken down a peg whereas it's just mean watching a bully pick fights and abuse others.

Case in point, crazy youtube lady. Absolutely loving hilarious, but not intentionally so on her part at all.

turnip kid
May 24, 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A35bjOgPK9Y

Conservative stand-up "comedy." This guy is insufferable.

CatCannons
Oct 21, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post

lil mortimer posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A35bjOgPK9Y

Conservative stand-up "comedy." This guy is insufferable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_s7yirG63w

"comedy".

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011



Andy Levy is great if only for this

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

SedanChair posted:

The bon mots of Sean Hannity form the entirety of right-wingers smug talking points at work and Thanksgiving. They look to him desperately as a savior.


Jesus Christ, Birchers have the worst taste in everything.

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

Myrdhale posted:

I get the strongest impression that so many conservatives must have grown up in really lovely situations to have such a massive hoarding FYGM mentality over everything. They look around at the plenty and wealth of the modern world and think 'There's barely enough to go around! Why should I share!'

I don't think you even need to go so far as "grown up", I think this is why many poorer people vote conservative - they look at what they have and think "I can't afford to share! I'd be destitute!" I grew up in an incredibly conservative extended family and the "plenty and wealth of the modern world" just plain does not factor in to the mathematics of it all. All of that stuff exists as infrastructure, somewhere else. All of the wealth and excess we see in our day-to-day life are necessary components of the machine that makes America the best country in the history of the world.
The only assets Obama wants to redistribute are YOUR assets (or, worse still, dismantle the machine!).

I think I'm a little more sympathetic than most because of my family, but I really believe that for most poor to middle conservatives//Republican voters FYGM mentality doesn't factor in to it -- they're entirely dominated by fear. Fear that the lazy poor criminal is going to take all of their money and roll around in a government Lexus while they and their family starve on the street, fear that reducing the defense budget means invasion of an unstoppable army of religious warriors so devout they'll kill themselves to kill you, fear that even the slightest increases of taxation drives you into unemployment overnight.

Of course, if you think about any of that for one single goddamn second you realize it's all absolute nonsense, but peoples' lives are so utterly dominated by this sort of thing because it creates a positive feedback loop, and you always, ALWAYS have a media source you can tune into to see that not only are your deepest fears legitimate, but it's worse than you imagined.
I'm glad that this thread exists, but I think some posters are maybe a little too spiteful towards the rank-and-file conservative. Not to absolve them of blame for their backwards, hateful opinions, but what the right wing media does is, I think, so much more disgusting than we give them credit for even here. I can only imagine how much mental anguish guys like Beck and O'Riley and Hannity have caused over the last few years.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Onion Knight posted:

I don't think you even need to go so far as "grown up", I think this is why many poorer people vote conservative - they look at what they have and think "I can't afford to share! I'd be destitute!" I grew up in an incredibly conservative extended family and the "plenty and wealth of the modern world" just plain does not factor in to the mathematics of it all. All of that stuff exists as infrastructure, somewhere else. All of the wealth and excess we see in our day-to-day life are necessary components of the machine that makes America the best country in the history of the world.
The only assets Obama wants to redistribute are YOUR assets (or, worse still, dismantle the machine!).

I think I'm a little more sympathetic than most because of my family, but I really believe that for most poor to middle conservatives//Republican voters FYGM mentality doesn't factor in to it -- they're entirely dominated by fear. Fear that the lazy poor criminal is going to take all of their money and roll around in a government Lexus while they and their family starve on the street, fear that reducing the defense budget means invasion of an unstoppable army of religious warriors so devout they'll kill themselves to kill you, fear that even the slightest increases of taxation drives you into unemployment overnight.

Of course, if you think about any of that for one single goddamn second you realize it's all absolute nonsense, but peoples' lives are so utterly dominated by this sort of thing because it creates a positive feedback loop, and you always, ALWAYS have a media source you can tune into to see that not only are your deepest fears legitimate, but it's worse than you imagined.
I'm glad that this thread exists, but I think some posters are maybe a little too spiteful towards the rank-and-file conservative. Not to absolve them of blame for their backwards, hateful opinions, but what the right wing media does is, I think, so much more disgusting than we give them credit for even here. I can only imagine how much mental anguish guys like Beck and O'Riley and Hannity have caused over the last few years.

I despise the right-wing media less for their horrible opinions than for the way that they cynically abuse and manipulate their audience to wring cash out of them. What's worse is that their audience gets nothing in return except a worthless certificate, or a gimmie hat, or just a gnawing suspicion that they didn't give enough to defeat whatever godless horde is just over the horizon. I pity rank-and-file right-wingers even more than I hold them in contempt.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Spacedad posted:

Conservatives actually ARE funny - just not intentionally. They are eternally Elmer Fudds to the Bugs Bunnys of the world. It's funny to see a bully get taken down a peg whereas it's just mean watching a bully pick fights and abuse others.

Case in point, crazy youtube lady. Absolutely loving hilarious, but not intentionally so on her part at all.

Just to remind you, 3-time Presidential hopeful Willard 'Mitt' Romney held down a peer in high school and shaved his head as a "prank". Not to mention that his Al Smith's dinner set was hilarious; I liked the part where he whined about everything throughout the entire set.

CatCannons
Oct 21, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Zeroisanumber posted:

I despise the right-wing media less for their horrible opinions than for the way that they cynically abuse and manipulate their audience to wring cash out of them. What's worse is that their audience gets nothing in return except a worthless certificate, or a gimmie hat, or just a gnawing suspicion that they didn't give enough to defeat whatever godless horde is just over the horizon. I pity rank-and-file right-wingers even more than I hold them in contempt.

Follow the leader. I'm glad mittens wasn't voted in as we would be with war with Iran right now. Ludicrous you say? hah.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Phone posted:

Just to remind you, 3-time Presidential hopeful Willard 'Mitt' Romney held down a peer in high school and shaved his head as a "prank". Not to mention that his Al Smith's dinner set was hilarious; I liked the part where he whined about everything throughout the entire set.

Mitt Romney is so smug and entitled, he forced Americans to admit that rich people can be jerks sometimes. That's actually quite an accomplishment, more than Trump ever attained.

The final burst of schadenfreude quintessence is that Romney, Romney, the ultimate Rockefeller Republican, had been sucked into the truth vortex of the right-wing entertainment industry. Weren't you supposed to be an elite, Mitt Romney? Shouldn't I have caught you listening to Diane Rehm, and not Sean Hannity?

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



CatCannons posted:

Follow the leader. I'm glad mittens wasn't voted in as we would be with war with Iran right now. Ludicrous you say? hah.

He wouldn't be president yet... you think Obama would be that much of an rear end in a top hat lameduck to start a war right before he get's out and leave it on his predecessor?

CatCannons
Oct 21, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post

SO ANGRY posted:

He wouldn't be president yet... you think Obama would be that much of an rear end in a top hat lameduck to start a war right before he get's out and leave it on his predecessor?

That reminds me of someone, tree? stream? something something forest.

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Neremworld
Dec 3, 2007

by exmarx

SedanChair posted:

The bon mots of Sean Hannity form the entirety of right-wingers smug talking points at work and Thanksgiving. They look to him desperately as a savior.



I've never gotten the adoration that G. Gordon Liddy gets from right-wingers. He's literally a criminal scumbag who was in prison for four years for literally being the mastermind behind Watergate.

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