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^^ Ah, that makes more sense. Rhymenoserous posted:If you had read Night Watch (The best book in the series by the way) you'd even know a few lines of it. I knew it existed in the books, what I meant was I never knew someone had actually written music for it and performed it.
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The anthem is on youtube for anyone who wants to hear it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAqCbOJc6RU
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An interview in the AV Club with Pratchett.quote:The main reason I wrote Dodger was that as an adolescent, I read London Labour And The London Poor, and that’s great source material. It doesn’t matter if dragons are flying overhead or whatever—a lot of Victoriana is still cut in the frame of fantasy. I was talking to various people, and said, “Do you know about London Labour And The London Poor? “No, no, no, no.” Mayhew, he talked to everybody. He wrote it all down. And you see the level of privation for these people. Nobody in the United States could live that way, even slaves. But people forget.
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Nov 19, 2012 03:22
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Hey all, the newest Pratchett book I've read was (I think) Monstrous Regiment in 2004 or 5. My favorite one I've read is definitely Men at Arms, any newer ones about Vimes etc?
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field balm posted:Hey all, the newest Pratchett book I've read was (I think) Monstrous Regiment in 2004 or 5. My favorite one I've read is definitely Men at Arms, any newer ones about Vimes etc? Oh man, you haven't read Night Watch yet. I wish I could read Night Watch for the first time... Thud! is also really fun.
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field balm posted:Hey all, the newest Pratchett book I've read was (I think) Monstrous Regiment in 2004 or 5. My favorite one I've read is definitely Men at Arms, any newer ones about Vimes etc? Vimes is a main character in (chronologically) Night Watch, Thud!, and Snuff. NW is considered the best. Thud is decent, not quite NW's level. Snuff gets very very mixed reviews.
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Awesome, I will grab NW this afternoon. Thanks!
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Jesto posted:Has there been a single child of an author who has successfully written books for their parent's world to the expectations of the fans? Honest question, I can't tell. * son of the Reverend Wilbert Awdry, creator of The Railway Series/Thomas The Tank Engine.
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So I'm reading I Shall Wear Midnight again, and did anyone else feel giving Tiffany a love interest that fits her perfectly sort of clashes with the subversion of not getting Roland? It kind of spoils that subplot retroactively.
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field balm posted:Awesome, I will grab NW this afternoon. Thanks! There's a few other books in-between Men at Arms and Night Watch that have Vimes in them, you may want to check them out too. Feet of Clay, Jingo, and The Fifth Elephant. Everyone loves Night Watch so much that I think they forget how awesome all the other ones are, too.
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Jingo and fifth elephant are at least as good as night watch, but I never liked feet of clay that much.
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Feet of Clay is one of my favourites, but I was never all that hot on Jingo. 
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YggiDee posted:Feet of Clay is one of my favourites, but I was never all that hot on Jingo. Sam Vimes tries to stop the crime of war and there's Nobby and Fred Colon and the Patrician scenes. Nobby and Fred and Vetinari together. How the gently caress can you not love the book?
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New book news: Turtle Recall (the new Companion) and The Compleat Guide To Ankh-Morpork are now out.
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field balm posted:Hey all, the newest Pratchett book I've read was (I think) Monstrous Regiment in 2004 or 5. My favorite one I've read is definitely Men at Arms, any newer ones about Vimes etc? Uh there have been a lot and these guys are going to have you reading them way out of order so you are going to be missing some important "Promotions" as well as several new bits of discworld technology, and some characters. If I'm not mistaken it goes Guards Guards > Men At Arms > Jingo > Feet of Clay > The Fifth Elephant > Night Watch > Thud > Snuff. All of them outstanding though I thought snuff was a bit weak (It may just be that I'm sad that Sam Vimes is starting to get old and it may be his last book, I need more Vimes)
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I don't know, I felt like a lot of Jingo just went over my head, the way Wyrd Sisters makes more sense after you've read Macbeth and Hamlet, and Unseen Academicals with soccer. Apparently Jingo made a lot of references to the Gulf War and the JFK assassination? I never learned much past Canadian History back in high school, so I'm working on it. (Also Feet of Clay is before Jingo)
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YggiDee posted:Apparently Jingo made a lot of references to the Gulf War and the JFK assassination? JFK, certainly. The guy everyone thinks is the assassin is himself assassinated before he can be interrogated, there's a "second bowman", and Carrot gets key information about the second assassin from a small troll covered in plants. The informant is a grassy gnoll. The Gulf War I see no connection to beyond the war involving a desert country, but I may be missing something.
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Jedit posted:and Carrot gets key information about the second assassin from a small troll covered in plants. The informant is a grassy gnoll. Goddammit.
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Jingo is even better because it's 20 years old AND THE SOCIAL COMMENTARY IS STILL RELEVANT, POSSIBLY MORESO TODAY.
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YggiDee posted:Apparently Jingo made a lot of references to the Gulf War and the JFK assassination? More directly to the Falklands (with the island, and with the collapse of the "enemy" leader immediately afterwards), but generally to all wars fought ostensibly over tiny scraps of land, but really over nationalism and pride. It also heavily references the Middle Eastern theater of WWI, the Cold War from a cynical perspective, the War of Jenkin's Ear, and most directly the hostilities over the island of Ferdinandea, which rose from the depths and sank again within six months.
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Jedit posted:Carrot gets key information about the second assassin from a small troll covered in plants. The informant is a grassy gnoll. Agggggh, how did I miss that?
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Pope Guilty posted:Agggggh, how did I miss that? It usually warms the cockles of my black, twisted heart to see people do that, but in this case I'm pretty sure it was said in the book.
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Jedit posted:It usually warms the cockles of my black, twisted heart to see people do that, but in this case I'm pretty sure it was said in the book. Nope. Mentions that it's a gnoll, mentions the plant matter growing on it, and leaves it there, hanging.
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The best reference is the reference to Vetinaris's rivals, the Venturi and Selachi(i). That is the epitome of Did Not Get It Gold. I didn't get it until this thread and kudos to those who did.
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rejutka posted:The best reference is the reference to Vetinaris's rivals, the Venturi and Selachi(i). That is the epitome of Did Not Get It Gold. I didn't get it until this thread and kudos to those who did. In fairness, the Venturi reference is both obscure and a pretty big reach. (For those who still don't get it, the Venturi effect is what causes water to accelerate when constricted. Combined with the taxonomical meaning of "Selachii", Vetinari's rival families become the Sharks and the Jets.) Jedit fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Nov 22, 2012 |
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rejutka posted:the Venturi and Selachii Holy poo poo 
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I just groaned audibly.
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Holy poo poo.
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Every year someone posts the Venturi/Selachi thing and every year there's at least a few people who haven't hears it and simultaneously have their minds blown and also grunt in physical pain from the awful Dad-joke that it is, I love it. Regarding The Watch books, Jingo was better the second time I read it, as was Feet of Clay. The Fifth Elephant was way worse and Night Watch is still one of the only books that I tear up over.
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Jedit posted:In fairness, the Venturi reference is both obscure and a pretty big reach. I.. still don't get it. Is it some kind of sports reference? On the subject of lines that get you every time, I've always liked the footnote about Fingers Mazda, who stole fire from the gods*. *It was too hot to fence. He really got burned on that deal.
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Chaos Sonic posted:I.. still don't get it. Is it some kind of sports reference? Try West Side Story.
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Chaos Sonic posted:I.. still don't get it. Is it some kind of sports reference? Then there's the terrible thief who planned to steal fire from the Gods in the present day, reckoning that as the secret of fire was thousands of years old it would be worth more as an antique.
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Darth Walrus posted:Try West Side Story. I, too, wasn't quite up on my 1960s play/movie references, but it's a nice one as far as they go.
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I never got that one until this thread because I never tried saying it aloud. Can't forget 12.5% either.
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It took me 15 years to figure out what reflect-sounds-of-underground-spirits* from The Colour of Magic meant, and even then I needed a clue from someone else. I spent ages trying to puzzle what it meant. *echo-gnome-ics = economics for anyone else similarly confused.
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I'm re-reading Night Watch right now and oh my god it's so loving good. I haven't read it since it first came out. Feet of Clay is GREAT, too. Heathens.
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Just finished Nation. drat, this may be my second-favorite Pratchett book now (Good Omens being the first)! It's not ha-ha funny, but it's thoughtful, poignant, and came at me utterly from left field.
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Concurred posted:Feet of Clay is GREAT, too. Heathens. Heck yes, it's my favorite Watch book. It's probably one of my favorite Discworld books actually. I can't read it without tearing up, it's just really sad and moving in places. THOU SHALT NOT KILL! CLAY OF MY CLAY. SHAME. SORROW.
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I've been re-reading the Guards books in order for the last couple of weeks, also really enjoying Feet of Clay right now. I've read The Fifth Elephant so many times I'm thinking of skipping it as I haven't re-read Thud and Snuff too many times yet (and I'd never miss reading Night Watch a 10 millionth time). I actually re-read Moving Pictures not so long ago, it was good remembering where Gaspode came from and I think I picked up a lot more references than I did in the distant past on my first read. I think I'll try Pyramids after the Guards series again, and Soul Music is another I've barely re-read.
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