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XyloJW posted:This guy just posted this on Facebook. Where does the "terrorist" part come from?
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Countblanc posted:Where does the "terrorist" part come from? They feel marginalized and demonized. It doesn't matter if anyone's ever said it, it's what they feel like other people think about them.
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Nov 27, 2012 02:27
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Countblanc posted:Where does the "terrorist" part come from? Persecution complex. edit. beaten!
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Nov 27, 2012 02:27
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XyloJW posted:This guy just posted this on Facebook. If you don't think this looks normal, you don't live near an airport and an air force base.
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Nov 27, 2012 03:26
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Countblanc posted:Where does the "terrorist" part come from? Probably that one homeland security report about domestic terrorism that called out a lot of right-wingers, conspiracy theorists, militias, etc.
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Nov 27, 2012 03:52
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Sarion posted:Also, I've never seen skies like that. Is it possible they're just living in an area that sees a high volume of fly over from commercial aircraft? (Or even photoshop!) Is it possible you just live in an area the shadow government has deemed a low priority for mind control smoke?
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Nov 27, 2012 05:18
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Tomahawk posted:Is it possible you just live in an area the shadow government has deemed a low priority for mind control smoke? All hail the great Lizard King and his mouse foot soldiers!
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Nov 27, 2012 05:26
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It's a good thing those conspiracy theorists are immune to the evil magicks of the mind control vapor trail. It must be because they're the chosen ones! 
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Nov 27, 2012 06:47
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I find chemtrails especially hilarious because my father is a pilot for a government agency. I've met all his pilot buddies and the only ones that struck me as the type to want to take over America and brainwash everyone were the Mormons.
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Nov 27, 2012 07:55
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Wolfsheim posted:I find chemtrails especially hilarious because my father is a pilot for a government agency. I've met all his pilot buddies and the only ones that struck me as the type to want to take over America and brainwash everyone were the Mormons. Indeed. The perfect disguise to fool you.
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Nov 27, 2012 10:24
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Countblanc posted:Where does the "terrorist" part come from? Needs something to make it sound ridiculous. Otherwise it's just saying "If you think contrails are weird you're being unreasonable."
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Nov 27, 2012 10:42
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Sarion posted:Also, I've never seen skies like that. Is it possible they're just living in an area that sees a high volume of fly over from commercial aircraft? (Or even photoshop!) There's less contrails in that picture than you think, there's also mare's tails (high-altitude cirrus clouds) which commonly form in the same conditions as contrails. I can actually only count 6 definite contrails there (4 across, 2 down) and as they last for a couple of hours in those conditions that's not even particularly busy airspace. (Also the fact that they can last for hours, while moving at a fair speed across the sky, is what causes the "grid" pattern that the conspiracy theorists claim to prove their case - it's actually caused by multiple planes flying on the same track and the contrail then being blown away from that track. I remember in September 2001, when all air traffic was grounded in the US, loads of pictures of mare's tails being posted as proof that chemtrails were real because they were still appearing even when there was no commercial air traffic and so... actually I can't remember if they claimed that they were using invisible planes or were somehow sneaking the chemicals into the sky by some other means or what. Possibly both.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I remember in September 2001, when all air traffic was grounded in the US, loads of pictures of mare's tails being posted as proof that chemtrails were real because they were still appearing even when there was no commercial air traffic and so... actually I can't remember if they claimed that they were using invisible planes or were somehow sneaking the chemicals into the sky by some other means or what. Possibly both. drat you Wonder Woman! 
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Nov 27, 2012 13:55
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Had a coworker show me this video as evidence that chemtrails are real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE8_0RhrcqY  They turn them on and off for little logical reason! Good thing we're above them. 
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Wolfsheim posted:I find chemtrails especially hilarious because my father is a pilot for a government agency. I've met all his pilot buddies and the only ones that struck me as the type to want to take over America and brainwash everyone were the Mormons. So what you're saying is the Mormons are using chemtrails to brainwash us?!
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Got this posted on my wall today by my conservative coworker: Subject: A letter from Hobby Lobby A Letter from Hobby Lobby Stores CEO By David Green, the founder and ___________________________________ ___________________________________ CEO of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. When my family and I started our company 40 years ago, we were working out of a garage on a $600 bank loan, assembling miniature picture frames. Our first retail store wasn't much bigger than most people's living rooms, but we had faith that we would succeed if we lived and worked according to God's word. From there,Hobby Lobby has become one of the nation's largest arts and crafts retailers, with more than 500 locations in 41 states. Our children grew up into fine business leaders, and today we run Hobby Lobby together, as a family. We're Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I've always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God's laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money. And that's what we've tried to do. We close early so our employees can see their families at night. We keep our stores closed on Sundays, one of the week's biggest shopping days, so that our workers and their families can enjoy a day of rest. We believe that it is by God's grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he has blessed us and our employees. We've not only added jobs in a weak economy, we've raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage. But now, our government threatens to change all of that. A new government health care mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one. If we refuse to comply, we could face $1.3 million PER DAY in government fines. Our government threatens to fine job creators in a bad economy. Our government threatens to fine a company that's raised wages four years running. Our government threatens to fine a family for running its business according to its beliefs. It's not right. I know people will say we ought to follow the rules; that it's the same for everybody. But that's not true. The government has exempted thousands of companies from this mandate, for reasons of convenience or cost. But it won't exempt them for reasons of religious belief. So, Hobby Lobby � and my family � are forced to make a choice. With great reluctance, we filed a lawsuit today, represented by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, asking a federal court to stop this mandate before it hurts our business. We don't like to go running into court, but we no longer have a choice. We believe people are more important than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than turning a profit. My family has lived the American dream. We want to continue growing our company and providing great jobs for thousands of employees, but the government is going to make that much more difficult. The government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and following the law. I say that's a choice no American � and no American business � should have to make. The government cannot force you to follow laws that go against your fundamental religious belief. They have exempted thousands of companies but will not except Christian organizations including the Catholic church. Since you will not see this covered in any of the liberal media, pass this on to all your contacts. Sincerely, David Green, CEO and Founder of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.
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crime fighting hog posted:Got this posted on my wall today by my conservative coworker: The level of cognitive dissonance within the whole issue of "The government is forcing us not to force our religious beliefs on others!  " is always astounding.
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crime fighting hog posted:Got this posted on my wall today by my conservative coworker: Pretty sure I first heard about this on Morning Edition either last week or the week before... I thought NPR was the MOST liberal media??
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I never thought I'd say it, but this sure sounds like a job for the free market. Afterall, if the law of the land prevents them from running their business in a way that honors God's laws (lol), folks'll just have to buy their arts and crafts supplies elsewhere.
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Did you know that the government FORCES businesses to pay their employees in currency that can be spent with literally zero moral oversight from the employer. If I believe that Harry Potter books are thinly veiled satanic textbooks, the government still forces me to pay my employees in a manner that allows them to spend MY MONEY on evil.
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Hmm they don't want to cover something that MIGHT cause abortions. I guess they object to employee pay going to buy over the counter medications like non-aspirin pain killers, alcohol, tobacco or caffeine. Hormonal birth control certainly isn't intended to be cause abortions or stop the implantation or fertilized eggs although those are potential side effects so objecting to those but not caring about other edge cases that cause miscarriage sounds like they are more concerned with stopping their employees from certain behaviors rather than any Christian belief in saving babies. That and they have no idea how drugs work but because they BELIEVE it's a certain way the government has to respect that for some reason. Seriously it's really hard to even try and feel sorry for whiny business owners complaining because they aren't allowed to dictate how employee compensation that is out of their hands is used. The fact that they think that the money and benefits they exchange for labor is still in some part theirs is hilarious. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Nov 27, 2012 |
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I'm sure Hobby Lobby also reject alcohol, many prescription medication, any number of OTC drugs, chemotheraphy, wombs and just generally existing as a human being that also causes a 'life' to 'end' after conception but before birth. Y'know, since a startlingly low number of conceptions actually result in a baby being born and the number 'killed' by the morning after pill or even abortion is pretty negligible in the grand scheme of things. Oh no wait, they don't reject any of those things because what they 'believe', in the face of all evidence, has nothing to do with the sanctity of life and is only about shaming and punishing women.
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I got into a long discussion on the Hobby Lobby situation last week, and it's amazing to me how willing people are to give more and more control of their personal lives to their employer. It's as bad as advocating mandatory drug testing to me. I tried pointing out the fact that Scientologists reject Psychology and Psychiatry as legitimate medical fields, and yet a Scientologist business owner is not allowed to purchase insurance that doesn't cover these types of help for their employees. Same with Jehovah's Witnesses and their rejection of blood transfusions, they're not allowed to deny their employees give or get blood if they need it. Both were completely sidestepped and ignored by the guy I was debating, so I called the guy a hypocrite who's only interested in pushing his religious views on others and moved on.
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Quote-Unquote posted:I'm sure Hobby Lobby also reject alcohol, many prescription medication, any number of OTC drugs, chemotheraphy, wombs and just generally existing as a human being that also causes a 'life' to 'end' after conception but before birth. Y'know, since a startlingly low number of conceptions actually result in a baby being born and the number 'killed' by the morning after pill or even abortion is pretty negligible in the grand scheme of things. It's seriously frustrating explaining what the birth control pill is someone that thinks it's primary use is to stop fertilized eggs from implanting. Even if you get through about how it really works they still fall back on the "well it potentially does that (which is true) so therefor we shouldn't take any chances!" when tons of other stuff cause miscarriages as you said but no one cares about that. It's irritating since these people often have been told all this stuff from their local priests which an absurd place to get knowledge on female anatomy. Of course at least they are coming from somewhere close to the truth and not like Rush "Pop A Pill Every-time She has Sex" Limbaugh. Either way the intent is to stop sex with no repercussions, not any actual benevolent care for an unborn child. NatasDog posted:I got into a long discussion on the Hobby Lobby situation last week, and it's amazing to me how willing people are to give more and more control of their personal lives to their employer. It's as bad as advocating mandatory drug testing to me. Yeah I've noticed the same thing. It's weird these type are terrified of the government being able to tell them what medical procedures they have to provide but are totally cool with some old dude they work for being able to do the reverse. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Nov 27, 2012 |
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Person Dyslexic posted:Pretty sure I first heard about this on Morning Edition either last week or the week before... I thought NPR was the MOST liberal media?? "What I believe are abortion causing drugs." It's like when Santorum talked about people in, if I recall correctly, Switzerland leaving notes begging not to be euthanized, and when a Swiss journalist called out a Santorum spokesperson on that, he responded with "That's what's in his heart." As though unambiguous facts about medicine and domestic policy are now religious beliefs enumerated in the Bible.
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Does Hobby Lobby (to a lesser extent Chick-Fil-A) require their employees to be Christian as well?
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Radish posted:Yeah I've noticed the same thing. It's weird these type are terrified of the government being able to tell them what medical procedures they have to provide but are totally cool with some old dude they work for being able to do the reverse.
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Nov 27, 2012 19:55
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Whenever I get currency, I write little notes on it like "Not to be spent on chocolate" or "NO MUSLIMS!" Why won't the Government enforce my beliefs!
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Yeah it's completely crazy the way they think it still belongs to them after their workers have labored in exchange for it. Should a Quaker's taxes be excluded from military spending? What right does the government have to spend money in a way that contradicts a person's beliefs? Also, I think all Federal Employees should lose insurance coverage of contraception and abortion because those are my tax dollars paying for their insurance. And when people get refundable tax credits, they should only be allowed to spend it in a way that everyone else in the country who didn't get one agrees with! Oh, wait. But then if they use that $1000 for food, that frees up $1000 of their food budget for the year to buy abortions galore! So I want a say in how they spend ALL their money, just to be sure they aren't just shuffling the numbers around to use MY money for abortion pills for their "ovarian cysts" (JESUS DIDN'T CURE OVARIAN CYSTS! How can we be sure they are real and not just Satan trying to get more aborted babies? )!MY MONEY!!!! Sarion fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Nov 27, 2012 |
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Dr Christmas posted:"What I believe are abortion causing drugs." It's like when Santorum talked about people in, if I recall correctly, Switzerland leaving notes begging not to be euthanized, and when a Swiss journalist called out a Santorum spokesperson on that, he responded with "That's what's in his heart." As though unambiguous facts about medicine and domestic policy are now religious beliefs enumerated in the Bible. He may have also done it about Switzerland, but he made some pretty grotesque claims about euthanisia in the Netherlands, including how it was one of the top causes of death. People were afraid to be euthanised and I don't know what else. It was so incredibly absurd and yet the audience (there's a youtube video) just lapped it up. As a Dutch person I'm still not quite sure what to make of the whole thing, on the one hand I just want to point and laugh, on the other it's a bit scary, yet another it's pathetic and almost invokes pity. I wish the whole "not openly meddling in others countries elections" wasn't a thing, and we could've just had a big press conference going "none of this is true, here are all the facts and numbers, this man is lying constantly about our country". http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/santorums-bogus-euthanasia-claims/
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Sarion posted:Also, I think all Federal Employees should lose insurance coverage of contraception and abortion because those are my tax dollars paying for their insurance. The sad part is that this isn't even hyperbole, this is what many people actually believe.
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Orange Devil posted:He may have also done it about Switzerland, but he made some pretty grotesque claims about euthanisia in the Netherlands, including how it was one of the top causes of death. People were afraid to be euthanised and I don't know what else. It was so incredibly absurd and yet the audience (there's a youtube video) just lapped it up. As a Dutch person I'm still not quite sure what to make of the whole thing, on the one hand I just want to point and laugh, on the other it's a bit scary, yet another it's pathetic and almost invokes pity. Oh god the Dutch have three hands, no wonder their medical system is broken
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Gourd of Taste posted:Oh god the Dutch have three hands, no wonder their medical system is broken What, you don't have a gripping hand?
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HipGnosis posted:Does Hobby Lobby (to a lesser extent Chick-Fil-A) require their employees to be Christian as well? Nope. My athiest, lesbian, nose ring and pink hair wearing, moderate Democrat friend manages the framing dept. at one. She even invites her more openminded coworkers to parties at her place where she introduces her partner of 5 years as her wife. But she's also not exactly super open at work with everyone.
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Orange Devil posted:He may have also done it about Switzerland, but he made some pretty grotesque claims about euthanisia in the Netherlands, including how it was one of the top causes of death. People were afraid to be euthanised and I don't know what else. It was so incredibly absurd and yet the audience (there's a youtube video) just lapped it up. As a Dutch person I'm still not quite sure what to make of the whole thing, on the one hand I just want to point and laugh, on the other it's a bit scary, yet another it's pathetic and almost invokes pity. No one in America other than the asshats you call out would have a problem with this.
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Sarion posted:Yeah it's completely crazy the way they think it still belongs to them after their workers have labored in exchange for it. Should a Quaker's taxes be excluded from military spending? What right does the government have to spend money in a way that contradicts a person's beliefs? Yeah, this is pretty much the right wing argument for defunding Planned Parenthood.
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Guys I need help. I have a friend who has recently been on a Tesla binge. You know, the people who think Tesla has been forgotten by history, but then take it a step further and think its a giant robber baron conspiracy to stop the distribution of free energy. He honestly thinks that Tesla invented a free energy generator that captures infinite energy from the Ionosphere, and that he created this device in full. His only proof of this, is a grainy youtube documentary hosted by Al from Quantum Leap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0z3pEeYDEw I've been around the block a few times, and know a great deal about Tesla, but I don't know how to convince him this is all bunk. He is pulling a Bush administration and putting the burden of proof that he didn't have such a device on me. Nobody else knows enough to back me up in this argument, or don't care. He recently left the Mormon church and I don't want his brain to get full of crazy stuff, I need to guide him down the road of scepticism safely. quote:his Fuel-less generator isn't made up. Nor the fact that he DID in fact pull energy out of the Ionosphere WITHOUT using power. Like I said, provide proof his fuel-less generator was "made up" as well as him not pulling energy out of the ionosphere. You seem so sure without any proof of what you say. Especially when history, the American Energy Association and his own documented information proves you to be in the wrong. This make you the "Conspiracy theorist". Please help!
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My understanding of the facts is that Tesla did have methods of transmitting power that had already been generated via other means. I'm sure that Tesla wanted to draw free energy from the ionosphere and probably tried several methods to see what was possible. But even up till 1935 he was working on transmitters which makes me think that he didn't have much success with free energy. Power companies certainly would have a motive for hiding any success, but motive doesn't prove anything. The US would have motivation for faking the Moon landing or hiding alien activity, but only if there was something to hide. I'm thinking the more likely possibility is that a con-man is using Tesla's legacy to make a little money in the "free energy" racket.
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