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ashgromnies posted:I like Ross just for the spectacle of his music/persona. His verses are all basically the same content though. Big money, freak hoes, push weight, do work, BAWS. Don't forget "Ro-ZAY!"
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Rick Ross isn't the worst thing out there. I find his music generally tolerable-to-decent. Don't really care that it's all bullshit; it sounds good and it gets me fired up all the same. I think he is kind of dumb for further baiting GD though.
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Ross is one of my favorite rappers lately but that God Forgives poo poo was terrible, I don't care who you are Rich Forever was good though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAqNqFXvQWY
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temple posted:Naw, ASAP Rocky isn't the comparison you want to make. He tries and so he might improve. Lil B does everything of the top of his head, so when he rhymes and it sounds tight, its like "Yay it worked." Trinidad is not able to rap. I think Lil B kinda smashed the color/rap barrier for punk music. Maybe you could argue Bad Brains but they were too talented, it wasn't really "punk" music anymore.
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Just listened to ONIFC. The production is OK and I don't think it's completely awful but Wiz sounds so bored on the whole, like really phoning it in on most of the tracks. Also an Akon feature in 2012 ugh.
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This Swimming Pools x Footsteps in the Dark Remix is hot. edit: and I've never heard of Smash Brovaz before hearing this song - Paper Planes but I like it a lot thathonkey fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Dec 9, 2012 |
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Dec 9, 2012 05:23
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Perpetual Ascent posted:Ross is one of my favorite rappers lately but that God Forgives poo poo was terrible, I don't care who you are Yeah I was really disappointed with God Forgives. I really liked Deeper Than Rap, Albert Anastasia/teflon Don, and the first MMG tape. His poo poo before that was fun but not great in any way (besides the production). Out of nowhere he apparently became a good rapper and now it feels like he's throwing that away. At least he ALWAYS has good production.
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the black husserl posted:I think Lil B kinda smashed the color/rap barrier for punk music. Maybe you could argue Bad Brains but they were too talented, it wasn't really "punk" music anymore. what
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I will say that the MMG drop is one of my favorites.
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the black husserl posted:I think Lil B kinda smashed the color/rap barrier for punk music. Maybe you could argue Bad Brains but they were too talented, it wasn't really "punk" music anymore. Are you a drug addict. Are you drunk right now bro
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Dec 9, 2012 16:49
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Whoops that was almost a derail wasn't it? Bad Brains aren't rap music. I think you see what I mean though so its back to the raps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf_9oyfl-gA
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Lil B just makes lovely music
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i wanna let it slide but i really don't know what the gently caress you are talking about he "cooks" while he "freestyles" but idk if that qualifies it as punk music
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edit: nevermind
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the black husserl posted:Whoops that was almost a derail wasn't it? Bad Brains aren't rap music. I think you see what I mean though so its back to the raps.
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THNDRTHF posted:i wanna let it slide but i really don't know what the gently caress you are talking about Okay this is pretty simple for me: in not following the conventions of rap music (quality control, talent, aesthetics, sexuality) Lil B is making music in a way that resembles the way punk musicians disregarded those same conventions in rock music. The "color barrier" aspect is that when a white rocker tosses off a sloppy lo-fi single with lyrics made up on the spot, its a legitimate artistic choice. When a black rapper does it they just suck. Lil B changed that.
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the black husserl posted:Okay this is pretty simple for me: in not following the conventions of rap music (quality control, talent, aesthetics, sexuality) Lil B is making music in a way that resembles the way punk musicians disregarded those same conventions in rock music. Bad Brains were pretty serious and made legitimately good music (not that Lil B doesn't). They weren't tongue-and-cheek. Other than the fact that they were one of the only black punk groups to gain popularlity (still doesn't have anything to do with rap, ever, obviously)....yeah I still don't know what you're talking about. EDIT- oh, another thing that makes your analogy incredibly confusing- Bad Brains were huge homophobes. Slackerish fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Dec 9, 2012 |
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Slackerish posted:Bad Brains were pretty serious and made legitimately good music (not that Lil B doesn't). They weren't tongue-and-cheek. Other than the fact that they were one of the only black punk groups to gain popularlity....yeah I still don't know what you're talking about. I think he's speaking to the way they conducted themselves. Lo-fi lovely recordings in New York, being banned from DC clubs for HR beating too many people up. That wasn't rock at the time, that was punk. I like Lil' B, I'm never gonna say he's the greatest rapper alive. But he's doing something different and I like that something. He's incredibly prolific, he just put out a new mixtape two weeks after his last one and they're pretty different from one another. I'm not gonna get into the Lil' B discussion, people in the thread dislike him by enough of a margin that he had his own thread made. But I would agree when people state that Lil' B is the rap equivalent of punk. His songs have weird mastering, the beats can be all over the place, he can rap or just BASE FREESTYLE. But it's not like anything else that was out before him and it really hasn't been copied yet. The only person to come close to his rapping style is Riff Raff, and that's equally divided. But I would argue that Lil' B has more tracks of substance than Riff does, and I dig Riff Raff. Ok, my 2 cents. Also, excited about LongLiveA$AP. I loved listening to LiveLoveA$AP last year (It's been over a year!?) during the winter, so I hope this keeps the same dark moody vibe.
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Slackerish posted:EDIT- oh, another thing that makes your analogy incredibly confusing- Bad Brains were huge homophobes. I'm very glad you posted this because its worth hearing from the band themselves on the subject. It actually jives very well with the current conversation about race and genre. Bad Brains posted:DJ: I feel it. You can see it in the book they wrote about how that whole hate-Bad-Brains poo poo started with MDC and Big Boys, way back in the 80s. People don't realize that band, MDC, was short of us having to put a protection order against them, that's how up our asses they were. Not literally, you know, figuratively speaking. Like we had fans and bands that like us and dig our style, but this particular band, MDC, was awkwardly stuck on wanting to sound like us, hang around us or whatever. the black husserl fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 9, 2012 |
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lil b is avant garde but that doesnt mean hes punk. punk is about beating people up, yelling and doing stuff that normal society would look down upon. lil b is about running around shirtless and popping molly while going 'whoop' and 'swag.' not quite the same thing...
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Punk was a movement with vast social ramifications and it was always more about that than the sonic parts. I don't really see a good analogy for that in modern rap though I can see where you are coming from about Lil B. Avant garde is a much better fit though.
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the black husserl posted:Okay this is pretty simple for me: in not following the conventions of rap music (quality control, talent, aesthetics, sexuality) Lil B is making music in a way that resembles the way punk musicians disregarded those same conventions in rock music. i feel that, i thought you meant he was doing some kind of groundbreaking crossover genre i wasn't aware of
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lil b is the rap game's john zorn.
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Perpetual Ascent posted:Ross is one of my favorite rappers lately but that God Forgives poo poo was terrible, I don't care who you are This is so bizzare, but I'm pretty sure they just stole shots directly from a Top Gear review of the Bugatti Super Sport. Goddamn that's some fantasy poo poo, at least rent the car if you're going to pretend it's yours. e- 1:21-1:22 there's a shot of the VW track sign. Hahaha, oh Ricky Rozay e2-\/\/ It appears you are right, I take my silly jab back \/\/ Morphix fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Dec 9, 2012 |
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Morphix posted:This is so bizzare, but I'm pretty sure they just stole shots directly from a Top Gear review of the Bugatti Super Sport. Goddamn that's some fantasy poo poo, at least rent the car if you're going to pretend it's yours. Well it looks just like a fanmade video to me, there's no segments of anyone actually rapping to the words. Gotta give him a pass on that one.
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youngallah posted:lil b is avant garde but that doesnt mean hes punk. punk is about beating people up, yelling and doing stuff that normal society would look down upon. lil b is about running around shirtless and popping molly while going 'whoop' and 'swag.' not quite the same thing... punk is not really about the things you mentioned and lil b is not really about the things you mentioned
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an skeleton posted:Riff Raff and Dirt Nasty are the once and future kings of hip hop, just admit it. also they are just as "sincere" as Lil B, people are just being upside down-reverse-double-racists because they are white. Also to the guy above me there was a Riff Raff before Lil B.
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Sometimes I like to watch Lil B and Riff Raff on youtube when I get home drunk late at night. They are both guys who are having a great time doing their thing, and their thing makes me laugh sometimes, so they are ok in my book. I guess you can call them counterculture or punk or whatever, but they don't seem very interested in that sort of thing.The Doo Do Chasers posted:I Pledge Allegiance to the Grind II first, then Pl3dge, then IPAtG I. Then Monster (I've never listened to it though) because I'm pretty sure that's all he's put out. Also listen to ADIDAS a bunch and remember what the world was like when Outkast was still a thing Thanks, been listening to Grind II a lot. It's good, although the whole album is really quiet after El-P's production on R.A.P.. Seems like the dude's beats are getting ridiculously bass-heavy lately.
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Cool, find something from my post history and quote it. Anyways, doesn't change the fact that punk is most certainly not just about breaking thinks and Lil B's "movement" or whatever you want to call it is not just about popping mollys and saying "wooh."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jGyLYyE2IQ
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I think lil B is an artist liberated from corporate demands and produces art that maximizes his expression. He screeches across commercial expectations and people unknowingly enjoy it because it sounds genuine. His music, his production cycle, his aesthetic is his own and from an different motivation than most other hiphop acts. I think he represents a lot of good things about hiphop long forgotten. He's like a litmus test for how brainwashed a listener is to current trends. New fans who don't have standards disciplined by years of corporate influence in hiphop love him, older fans begrudgingly respect him. He embodies a liberation that some have denied and offends those that are too beholden to the system. I could say a lot about lil B because I like those off-center hiphop acts. My favorite rapper is Ol' Dirty Bastard and he is from a similar artistic heredity. Ol' Dirty encapsulate soul music, rock and roll, disco, jazz, and hiphop: basically a black music melting pot. He transcends hiphop more than he conforms to it. He, like lil B, comes from a place of expression and ODB is more about honesty. Dirt is in love with the raw, the pure, and his music is the raw essence of everything you are going to hear in black music. Saying "I want pussy for free" is what every love song is demanding when stripped away from its flowery language. His vulgarity is the truth peeking beneath the surface of most communication and used to be more expected/accepted in the past than now. If you listen to old comedy tapes (the only place where black people could be honest in earlier years), Red Foxx and Richard Pyror revere the vulgar and profane. It is a washing pit for cleansing yourself from the sterile, assimilating force of mainstream, Victorian influence of American culture. The whiteness isn't really pure, its a lie that hides the prolific blackness that permeates all of American culture. The 70s knew that and they say that Generation X reveres the 70s. I think it is true because there was a liberation from capitalistic domination that is almost never found in the 80s and 90s. Everything is about a money or in opposition to money. So, Ol Dirty and the past truth tellers shielded themselves from corruption by using obscenity. Be so raw, so dirty that owners are afraid to touch you. He channeled his ancestors and you hear so plainly in his music. He would "sing rap" as he called it to borrow from soul music. It is no surprise he constantly reinvented himself via his name and was a member of the Nations of the Gods and the Earths (focused on the spiritual liberation of black people). Ol' Dirty Bastard was doing for hiphop culture what I think lil B is doing for hiphop enterprise. temple fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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Really good post there Temple but don't you think Lil B is esoteric compared to ODB? And he lacks a benefactor like the Wu-tang clan to act as a complement/safety net to provide that solid mainstream foundation. Lil B doesn't seem well known or prominent enough following his initial shockwave to be or make his own movement/lasting imprint on hiphop. I guess time will tell on that; based god has only been on the scene for what a couple years?
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Woop. Cooking. Swag
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Lil B's mentor is Too Short. If anyone can teach you how to be relevant for years, its him.
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It's been a long time since I've been up with the play with what's been coming out recently but I heard this last week and it's got to be the best thing I've heard in a really long time. Amazing beat, great flow. Would love some recommendations. Clear Soul Forces - 'Gon Get 'Em https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSUU-aMcgVY&list=FLRkR1RfO4DBPzenLotiI1VQ&index=3 Loving Joey Bada$$ too
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Cool Buff Man posted:Woop. Cooking. Swag
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Lil B brought together punk and rap footwear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fR2OgGbKds
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youngallah posted:lil b is avant garde but that doesnt mean hes punk. punk is about beating people up, yelling and doing stuff that normal society would look down upon. lil b is about running around shirtless and popping molly while going 'whoop' and 'swag.' not quite the same thing... Nailed it.  Actually, when you strip out the rhetoric of punk, that is pretty much all there is. My 14 year old self would loving hate me right now.
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thathonkey posted:This Swimming Pools x Footsteps in the Dark Remix is hot. God  I think I'm in love.
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thathonkey posted:This Swimming Pools x Footsteps in the Dark Remix is hot. both are dope, thanks for sharing.
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