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It helps to stop thinking of time as a progression and accept that all points in time exist simultaneously. Free will is an illusion. Everything plays out deterministically. It's like, imagine a piece of paper with a line drawn on it that goes straight for a while and then loops back on itself, crossing at one point and then continuing on in its original heading. To read Homestuck with the assumption that time is progression is to trace that line from the start with your finger and then, upon reaching the intersection, exclaim, "this can't be right. This intersecting line can't exist because I haven't drawn it yet."
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You mean like a spirograph?
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Dec 10, 2012 22:26
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I notice that whenever this weird time poo poo comes up the dichotomy is always between those of us who just "get it" easily and those who have trouble with every new development. I think we have a few Time players in the thread is what I'm saying 
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Dec 10, 2012 23:13
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A whole new class, the Sperg of Time.
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Dec 10, 2012 23:45
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Fucknag posted:A whole new class, the Sperg of Time. Lord of Sperg
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Dec 10, 2012 23:48
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A little late, but god drat, Ke$hastuck is hilarious
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Prison Warden posted:I notice that whenever this weird time poo poo comes up the dichotomy is always between those of us who just "get it" easily and those who have trouble with every new development. You can't overthink it. Just roll with it and see what happens. And above all, try not to do anything retarded.
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Dec 11, 2012 00:07
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Jim the Nickel posted:A little late, but god drat, Ke$hastuck is hilarious Finally, someone let him out of his cage.
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Jim the Nickel posted:A little late, but god drat, Ke$hastuck is hilarious I know, right?  code:
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Prison Warden posted:I notice that whenever this weird time poo poo comes up the dichotomy is always between those of us who just "get it" easily and those who have trouble with every new development. Well actually, the only ones who intuitively got time travel and causality without any outside help at all in canon were Jade and Kanaya - Space players. (Aradia doesn't count since she was A) possessed by spirits telling her exactly what to do and B) privy to all a Sprite's information on the game; Dave had to find out the hard way how poo poo worked, and specifically asked Terezi to stay linear so he could keep track of their conversations.) Added to this, Calliope understood causal spoilers fairly well when she hooked up the Alpha kids with their chat clients, though she probably had a fair amount of help from the Tome Of Spoilers (whatever Gamzee didn't erase). Just interesting to think that representing an aspect and comprehension of an aspect are two very different things.
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Dec 11, 2012 00:27
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It's only impossible if you think of the pre-scratch universe as coming chronologically before the post-scratch universe. It doesn't. They are not a single linear timeline, they are two parallel timelines that diverge from a single point. Although an event in timeline 1 influences its past to create timeline 2, this doesn't cause timeline 1 to have never happened. What seems to happen instead is that timeline 1 comes to an end at the point in time the influence originates from. This would explain why players have to take measures to ensure their continued existence (the A1 players' mass suicide, B1 players' escape into the furthest ring/through the fourth wall, future dream Rose escaping a doomed timeline by merging with her past self), and yet Jake was able to send parcels back and forth between himself and Jade despite her being in the old universe. The history of that universe, up to the point of the scratch, still exists. It's just in a different part of the frog than the new one. I hope that makes sense, because it's a drat hard idea to put into words.
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Dec 11, 2012 00:33
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ddddddffdfddddfddf posted:Finally, someone let him out of his cage. Eh, the time for him was nothing, as he was counting no age.
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Dec 11, 2012 01:06
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Cabbit posted:Eh, the time for him was nothing, as he was counting no age. Now he couldn't be there, mostly because he is already here.
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Dec 11, 2012 02:00
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Jim the Nickel posted:A little late, but god drat, Ke$hastuck is hilarious Damon Albarn, the Park of Life, in the land of Simians and Blur.
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Dec 11, 2012 02:45
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Obviously Jeff Mangum is exploring the Land of Hotels and Milk.
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Dec 11, 2012 03:29
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Dias posted:Now he couldn't be there, mostly because he is already here. Sould we be scared then?
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I can't stop smiling. 
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Dad! 
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Dec 11, 2012 03:51
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YESSSS! DAD LIVES! 
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Dec 11, 2012 03:52
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Oh my god Dad just chilling on Derse
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Pfff. Like anyone could hurt a hair on Dad's head. If he had any. I wonder who he is talking to? EDIT: You admit the thought of carrying an imprisoned tailor wherever you go is gratifying for personal reasons. life_source fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Dec 11, 2012 |
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Dec 11, 2012 03:54
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Caliborn posted:uu: YOU SHOULD SEE HOW THEY TREATED HIM! THE HORROR HE EXPERIENCED MUST BE DIFFICULT FOR A HUMAN GIRL TO IMAGINE. Yeah, I can totally see it. Who could possibly survive such an extravagant room? One look at that priceless statue and I would be begging for death.
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Dec 11, 2012 03:56
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life_source posted:I wonder who he is talking to? Oh god if its fedorafreak I seriously might start sobbing openly. Edit: VVV Silly me, durr.VVV Luminous Obscurity fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Dec 11, 2012 |
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Dec 11, 2012 03:56
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^^^^^^^^ I think he was paging the dignitary for more tobacco See children, this is why DD is the best of the Crew.
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Dec 11, 2012 03:56
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I don't know why we were ever worried. Droog could never bring himself to hurt a fellow Man of Class.
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Oh my god my face is going to be frozen in a smile for the rest of the night. This is the best possible situation for Dad to end up in. I want Dad and DD to team up and be classy gentlemen together.
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Dec 11, 2012 03:59
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DD and Dad: Moirails for life 
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Whoever it was that was saying Caliborn's "bad is good" interpretation would mean Dad was getting waited on hand and foot? Good on ya, apparently. I really hope John gets to meet Jane's dad. Even if it's not his Dad per se, they're basically the same guy.
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Dec 11, 2012 04:08
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RandallODim posted:I want Dad and DD to team up and be classy gentlemen together. There's a lot of trouble for a couple of well-heeled roustabouts to get into. Some serious Chandlerian imbroglios.
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Dec 11, 2012 04:09
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At this moment I regret switching my DD avatar.
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Dec 11, 2012 04:09
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Wow, the Dersites are small.
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Dec 11, 2012 04:16
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Yay, Dad! He's just such a glassy gent, DD couldn't resist!
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Dec 11, 2012 04:16
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Arthur Crackpot posted:Whoever it was that was saying Caliborn's "bad is good" interpretation would mean Dad was getting waited on hand and foot? Good on ya, apparently. Plot twist! Turns out they are the same guy. Literally. (Don't you mind how it chimes with Dad dying to Bec Noir, just enjoy it).
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Dec 11, 2012 04:19
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Also is that WV in prison? 
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I can only hope to be half as classy as Dad someday.
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Dec 11, 2012 04:23
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I should've guessed that Dad and Droog would be a real pair.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Also is that WV in prison? The "Villein" sprite from here matches up with it pretty much perfectly.
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In unrelated news, Treestuck is answering Asks again in preparation for watching Cascade in a few days (yay!) and someone asked her what class/combo she thought she'd be. She answered the Page of Hope. Let's all take a moment and think about the number of levels that's amusing on.
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Arthur Crackpot posted:Whoever it was that was saying Caliborn's "bad is good" interpretation would mean Dad was getting waited on hand and foot? Good on ya, apparently. I think it's just that Caliborn had no intimate knowledge of Derse's prisons, much less its singular posh solitary confinement cell.
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WV being in prison is kind of disconcerting, but it makes total sense that Dad would be able to inspire respect in any member of the Midnight Crew, not just its quasi-erstwhile leader.
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