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SedanChair posted:Mark Twain: political humorist with a strong point of view; titanic force in the history of comedy Will Rogers: Political humorist with a strong point of view; titanic force in the history of comedy. Jon Stewart: Political humorist with a strong point of view... I think the argument could be made. Remember, Twain was a newspaperman.
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Lord Lambeth posted:I was recommended the exact opposite by my mother. I probably got about 25 pages before I got bored? That was a really weird gift from her considering that she's a stone's throw away from being a socialist. Congratulations, your mom was letting on that she wants to be overpowered by a cold, flint-hearted architect and/or inventor of imaginary metal and 50 Shades had not been written yet. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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max4me posted:In another thread someone explained why the fox news version of the daily show didnt work, due to the nature of conservative humor. Pretty sure Tosh is saying such things fully aware of how terrible and awkward they are, which is the point. Call me crazy, but there's a little chappelle hiding in there, where the joke is that people would actually laugh at it for the wrong reason. I think that his long-form "I'm gay?" Joke covers this. He's obviously not, and obviously comfortable enough with not being gay to get a anal cranial massage, but somehow it's funny to get one? I think he's aware that's the joke.
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All Of The Dicks posted:Congratulations, your mom was letting on that she wants to be overpowered by a cold, flint-hearted architect and/or inventor of imaginary metal and 50 Shades had not been written yet. Dude, don't be gross.
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SedanChair posted:Bill Maher: "Bush" I heard good things about Margaret Cho and tried watching one of her videos on Netflix. It was pretty much this for 90 minutes.
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Pope Guilty posted:I heard good things about Margaret Cho and tried watching one of her videos on Netflix. It was pretty much this for 90 minutes. Her early stuff is good.
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Dec 11, 2012 07:53
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Republicans posted:Her early stuff is good. Yea if rightwing shitheads get to use '9/11 made them nuts man' as a shield we get to use 'that war that only recently ended made them nuts man' for when our celebs become less funny. Cho still has a lot of good poo poo, though.
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I like to think the greatest of our comedians and social commentators are coming from the same collective realm of brilliance as Clemens - while each of them standing as incomparable in their own way. Comparing anyone to him is a shallow disservice even to someone who has extraordinary talent though. For people of significantly lesser ability or none at all, it's just pathetic. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Dec 11, 2012 |
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Lord Lambeth posted:Wasn't it because of the US that one party had a stranglehold on the government for 50-odd years? Essentially yes. After the war, there was a period of turmoil where a bunch of minority governments were elected, during which the major conservative parties merged to create the LDP. The LDP were/are explicitly pro-US cooperation,socially conservative, and free market supporters to boot. Since the US was busy rebuilding Japan and was basically fueling the economy, they easily managed to win the election. Even if the US didn't exercise direct control, their continued presence (and clear preference for the LDP) made supporting cooperation the preferred choice for a lot of voters. Cold War fears mean that communist suppression activities at the behest of the US are undertaken, i.e. any mention of socialism is attacked, which means many parties on the left are excluded and their views are vilified. The LDP holds power until 1993. Political Whores fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Dec 11, 2012 |
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Something to think about - scamming conservatives out of their money goes hand in hand with almost every major conservative figure. Dick Morris's superpac turned out to be an emailing scam that funneled money into his own pocket. Freedomworks bilks conservatives for lots of money. Worldnetdaily feeds subscriber info to organized scams designed to appeal to paranoid conservatives. It seems as though the infrastructure of the conservative movement in the US has been the "illusion" of an infrastructure - the reality is that their power players all have a skeleton of a political product and sell it as snake oil. Even Karl Rove has been exposed as basically a scammer and a fraud. It seems like the reality of how hollow the whole thing is is starting to come apart at the seams. Just look at it in depth - almost every conservative figure is involved with scamming gullible conservatives for money to themselves. They no longer are a political movement and just a bunch of mountebank snake oil sellers looking to make bucks off either middle to lower class conservatives or off fooling wealthy dumbshits to funnel political action megabucks into the pockets of frauds.
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Spacedad posted:Just look at it in depth - almost every conservative figure is involved with scamming gullible conservatives for money to themselves. They no longer are a political movement and just a bunch of mountebank snake oil sellers looking to make bucks off either middle to lower class conservatives or off fooling wealthy dumbshits to funnel political action megabucks into the pockets of frauds. You could see this with Dick Morris especially. His recent article literally says "It's not my fault my predictions were wrong, I assumed you people would go out and vote. You have only yourselves to blame."
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Pope Guilty posted:I heard good things about Margaret Cho and tried watching one of her videos on Netflix. It was pretty much this for 90 minutes. Cho is uneven. Her early stuff is great, when she dwells in strident politics it is not good, plus the jokes about her mom get repetitive. Watch "I'm the One That I Want", I think it's really good, if you don't like that you probably need not see anything else of hers. At her best she has verbal, almost poet like gifts like a George Carlin.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I don't think we've discussed this one here yet, but remember when we were recently having a good chuckle at Ann Coulter's expense, because she was demoralized and telling Sean Hannity "We lost the election!" And how she was showing a rare flash of sanity because she said that since Republicans are going to get blamed either way, they should go ahead and go along with Obama on the tax increases because it'd at least be good PR? Fear not, as our favorite skeletal embodiment of hate has made a true return to form. I love how conflicted the right has become between wanting to win elections and wanting to continue hating brown people.  It's Sophie's Choice!
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Spacedad posted:Something to think about - scamming conservatives out of their money goes hand in hand with almost every major conservative figure. Dick Morris's superpac turned out to be an emailing scam that funneled money into his own pocket. Freedomworks bilks conservatives for lots of money. Worldnetdaily feeds subscriber info to organized scams designed to appeal to paranoid conservatives. It seems as though the infrastructure of the conservative movement in the US has been the "illusion" of an infrastructure - the reality is that their power players all have a skeleton of a political product and sell it as snake oil. Even Karl Rove has been exposed as basically a scammer and a fraud. It seems like the reality of how hollow the whole thing is is starting to come apart at the seams. I think it's that the pursuit of money is an ends (or is it a means?) unto itself in their minds. People with money, or who are pursuing money, are right and that's the American Way and what life is all about. Everyone with money gets to talk poo poo, do stuff and make laws (except actors and most musicians. Those people should shut the gently caress up). Everyone else should just shut up and work harder until they have money. What you posted reminds me of the televangelist comparison that someone made very early on in this thread. I'm not so sure it's "coming apart at the seams" as much as you think though. Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart and whoever that dude was who told his viewers to send him money or God was going to kill him didn't end spell the end of the mega-church. edit: It's been a while, so I went to visit FOX's front page today.  On one page we have "gently caress Teachers/Unions", "Obama is going to tax us", "He has 'swagger' now (he's arrogant)", "Heroes are being tortured", "Cyber terrorists are coming", "The trade deficit is increasing" and an attack on pro-lifers and prayer. This website is like this every single day and sooooo many people get their news from just this one spot. I'm surprised there was no Benghazi headline and a little surprised that they listed the stock market being up. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Dec 11, 2012 |
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It's coming apart at the seams because this last election was a massive wake-up call to just how far gone the republican infrastructure is in this country, and how infested it is with frauds who actually do nothing for the party aside from white noise and snatching up money. The reality that the republicans have neither the policy or the infrastructure integrity to win federal elections has sunk in. As has the reality that so many of the major republican figures are just clueless fraudsters - They're there to scam scared stupid old white people and nothing more - in fact, that's always been their purpose; it's just that previously they could rely on a massive turnout by old dumb racist sexist delusional white morons to make up for their incompetent fraud, thus creating the illusion of a political infrastructure. What we're seeing now is a democratic party that is prepared to run a 50 meter dash in the olympics, and a republican party with a beer gut from staying on the couch guzzling other people's money for so long. Just take a look at the democratic strategy versus the republican - so much of the republican 'strategy' (if you can call it that) focused on basically just paying other people to do stuff for them. (And in many cases, not even that - as with Dick Morris.) Meanwhile, the democratic strategy involved actually constructing a solid ground game to connect directly with voters. Not only that, but the policy of the republican party is HORRIBLY out of date and out of touch with reality and with the majority of Americans - they are the party that insists they have a connection with 'real America' - and clearly they do not, as America has grown up out of the middle of the 20th century. It's such a reality that now that even the old scam artists (like Gingrich, who has also run several donations-to-my-pocket scams) are even changing their tune to a doom and gloom routine. And yes, of course, that 'the GOP can't win elections we need to soul-search' comes attached to the same old pyramid marketing scheming that makes up so much of the GOP's present structure. So literally nothing is going to change unless there's some major revolt from the young republicans to turn the party into a big log cabin party by throwing out the moneychangers or something. It's weird, but in a way I think that citizens united exposed the problem the GOP has with the fact that its entire structure is built around separating dumb white paranoids from their money, but not actually being capable of delivering results - if not for citizens united allowing an unprecedented amount of money to flood the GOP's coffers, they could have offered some other misleading excuse. But no. The idea that merely outspending someone to win is the key to victory was flushed rather handily down the toilet. You need to spend that money intelligently - and right now there's too many fraudsters and hacks in the GOP leeching up money for themselves and for poo poo that objectively does not work. The GOP these days has a lot in common with those scam-product ads targeting dumb/vulnerable old people you see running on fox news network, pretty much. "Grandma, what's this huge series of credit card bills you just got from...this company I've never heard of before?" That kind of poo poo. Maybe some day the GOP will resemble an actual political party again. Not right now though. It's pretty much just a multi-level marketing scam of clueless morons. Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WgiDozHxY This is the Florida GOP's "Jobs czar." He was collecting unemployment. He was also taking Europe trips and bought tons of goodies for himself. In addition to getting super-rich off what appears to be a case of job-destroying insider trading. His predecessor, also appointed by Rick Scott, funneled millions of state money to "job creators" - who proceeded to create zero jobs, and in fact, cut jobs. This poo poo's basically the present republican party in a nutshell. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Dec 11, 2012 |
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In regards to "coming apart at the seams" I think of it using an analogy: the Republican Party is a large block of concrete, and in this last election it was smashed with a sledgehammer. The block now has huge, visible cracks in it, and is internally fractured, but it's stable so long as no weight is put on it. Unfortunately for the Republicans, the 2014 and especially 2016 elections will be putting a hell of a lot of weight on the block, and will quite possibly shatter it. Come on, shattering! 
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Crasscrab posted:I love how conflicted the right has become between wanting to win elections and wanting to continue hating brown people. Amazingly enough, they're also starting to become conflicted about, of all things, gay marriage. On the one hand, you have Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia doing his best to offend gay people: quote:The Supreme Court justice was visiting Princeton University on Monday to discuss his latest book when a college freshman, who identifies as gay, asked Scalia about the comparison he has drawn between laws banning sodomy with those barring bestiality and murder. And on the other hand, here's Glenn Beck actually saying something reasonable: quote:"Let me take the pro-gay marriage people and the religious people," he said. "I believe that there is a connecting dot there that nobody is looking at, and that's the Constitution."
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I always wonder why fox news doesnt gay bash. It seems a much softer target than blacks, forgieners, women or Communists. I wonder if its because there are gays in their ranks, or because gay bashing cant be cloaked or framed in abstract terms or language. Maybe since they are business they have been told not to hurt that. Market.
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max4me posted:I always wonder why fox news doesnt gay bash. It seems a much softer target than blacks, forgieners, women or Communists. They most certainly do, and it most certainly can be cloaked, in the same way they cloak all the other bashing they do of various religious/ethnic/liberal groups and causes: as being an "attack" on "traditional American values". Just because they don't come right out and say "queers deserve to burn in HELL" doesn't mean they don't dance around and hint at it.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:And on the other hand, here's Glenn Beck actually saying something reasonable:  I can't decide if this makes me slightly less annoyed at Beck (sure, he's making a dumb libertarian argument, but I guess that's slightly less bad than making a dumb evangelical argument) or more annoyed because it seems to stand as proof that he's just a charlatan who's profiting off other people's ignorance.
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max4me posted:I always wonder why fox news doesnt gay bash. It seems a much softer target than blacks, forgieners, women or Communists. They really do stop short at general "culture war" fulmination, it seems. And they have Shep Smith.
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Lightning Knight posted:
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Reposting from DND picturesRand alPaul posted:
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Lord Lambeth posted:Reposting from DND pictures Steven Crowder is the worst
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I seem to remember Glenn Beck fearmongering about Obama trying to redefine marriage, but a quick google search only brought up this current story.
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Who makes that face for their profile picture, then expects people to give a poo poo about them being assaulted?
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Biggest shock is that Crowder was the voice of this character The Brain on Arthur
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I notice he cuts right to people yelling at him or hitting him, never showing anything that happened before they started.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Biggest shock is that Crowder was the voice of this character Oh God why would you do such horrible things to my childhood memories? 
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He's one of a handful of actors who portrayed him though. So Ice Cream didn't damage your childhood that much, I hope.
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max4me posted:I always wonder why fox news doesnt gay bash. It seems a much softer target than blacks, forgieners, women or Communists. Are you kidding? They've been blaming us (gays) in their made-up 'war on christmas' segments. (Along with atheists, abortion, anything white stupid people hate, etc.) That's just the tip of the poo poo-berg. Remember: If you aren't christian/white/heterosexual/rightwing/male, anything you do (for example: "Exist") is a treasonous act against the foundation of our Holy Christianist Empire, Foxlamabad. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Dec 12, 2012 |
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^^^^ looking at what I wrote again, I mispoke. Fox drives this crazy narrative, and it looks like they go easy on the gays. They do gay bash, and yes its part of the war on "traditional america" but were are the puddits and the "some people say (insert crazy poo poo about homosexuals" Basically it doesnt seem like a key pillar in their crazy narrative. Hell I love how o reilly took God out of Christianity
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max4me posted:^^^^ looking at what I wrote again, I mispoke.
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I think he means that Fox does mostly dogwhistle homophobia as opposed to outright gay bashing. Indulging in Falwell-esque tirades about the latest Homosexual Agenda Plot du jour is, thankfully, finally starting to become unfashionable.
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max4me posted:^^^^ looking at what I wrote again, I mispoke. And who decided what 'traditional America' was anyway? The small-minded assholes who tried to impose their values on everyone else, of course. Here's REAL traditional America, whose traditions ACTUALLY came under attack:  Piss off, whiny white devils. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Dec 12, 2012 |
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Spacedad posted:And who decided what 'traditional America' was anyway? Jesus himself of course. You'd know that if you had been busy reading the bible, instead those mumbo-jumbo liberal "history" books.
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BlackJoo posted:Jesus himself of course. You'd know that if you had been busy reading the bible, instead those mumbo-jumbo liberal "history" books. The KJV Bible: the only "history textbook" we'll ever need. 
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the2ndgenesis posted:I think he means that Fox does mostly dogwhistle homophobia as opposed to outright gay bashing. Indulging in Falwell-esque tirades about the latest Homosexual Agenda Plot du jour is, thankfully, finally starting to become unfashionable. I'm actually kinda stunned there hasn't been more right wing media outreach to the Good Homosexuals, i.e. white middle class folks. The intersection between "hateful shithead" and "gay" must have some money to tap into.
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Seoinin posted:I'm actually kinda stunned there hasn't been more right wing media outreach to the Good Homosexuals, i.e. white middle class folks. The intersection between "hateful shithead" and "gay" must have some money to tap into. As it is, they can barely reach anyone that isn't a rich white Christian male these days. Asking them to cater to the filthy Godless sodomites on top of insisting they also do "outreach" to blacks, Hispanics, women, young people, and poor people? That's pushing things just a bit too far, you know. 
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While all the hatred may scare away voters, it doesn't scare away viewers, and that's what Fox cares about, and since the network is so linked to the party, it'll be hard to get away from it. However, these past elections show that plenty of people will still vote for the bigots and "rape guys" as long as the say "What matters is JOBS" a lot.
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