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VanSandman posted:I always assumed that favored warriors got their souls put into a new body and sent back out through the Eye of Terror. I figure unless you do a Horus and have your soul Annihilated, you can reincarnate. Uh, only if your name is Lucius.
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Kegslayer posted:You're talking about one or two pieces of technology that gets upgraded or refined over a 10,000 year period compared to the incredible amount of technology that has been lost. Chaos have always had access to plasma cannons since the Heresy but plasama guns were only refined later. It doesn't mean that the old technology wasn't better. Most of the 'newer' models of Land Raiders and tanks and such are actually all really old pieces of technology that have been refurbished and reequipped because the Imperium no longer has the capability to actually improve or build newer versions. EyeRChris posted:I can't imagine after the 10k years there are many of the original world eaters left behind.
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The fluff fiction is sometimes bad about this, especially when they do the whole "describe a fight scene like a game" thing, but a model being removed means the model's no longer in combat, not necessarily that they're dead. I feel like the death rates we see for Space Marines in most 40k fiction, which is usually a minimum of 1-2 per fight scene, would be unsustainable otherwise. But whatever, it's 40k. Just like I assume a big chunk of those backpacks they wear is just filled with ammo. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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Dec 10, 2012 16:57
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Uh, only if your name is Lucius. That's the beauty of this world, I doubt Lucius is the only Chaos marine with a resurrection type deal going on. Just because he's the only one that's described as having it doesn't preclude other characters and creatures being able to do a similar thing.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:That's the beauty of this world, I doubt Lucius is the only Chaos marine with a resurrection type deal going on. Just because he's the only one that's described as having it doesn't preclude other characters and creatures being able to do a similar thing. True -- this kind of happens with the Thousand Sons in the Space Wolf books. And of course Kharn, though he straight-up resurrects instead of being reincarnated. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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Dec 10, 2012 17:39
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Mowglis Haircut posted:That's the beauty of this world, I doubt Lucius is the only Chaos marine with a resurrection type deal going on. Just because he's the only one that's described as having it doesn't preclude other characters and creatures being able to do a similar thing. Exactly. Plus, someone who has a Demon Prince for a Primarch? Yeah, I bet the Primarch gets their soul after they kick it, unless shenanigans happen. And then it's up to the Primarch when they get resurrected.
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Arquinsiel posted:Sometimes it's just been ten minutes for them, sometimes 100k years others both. Chaos is fun like that. Wheeeee!
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berzerkmonkey posted:What is also fun is that due to the wackyness of the warp, you could die in a battle tomorrow and pop out of the warp three years later to fight another battle, because, in reality, you arrived at the second battle first due the the vagaries of the warp. I bet this could lead to some awkward moments. "You?! What sorcery is this? I slayed you a century ago, you chaos filth!" "HAR HAR, SLAY CRUSHEPHUS? CRUSHEPHUS IS INVINCIBLE! CRUSHEPHUS WILL NEVER FALL! DIE IMPERIAL DOG! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" *in another battle* "MIGHTY CRUSHEPHUS WILL CONQUER ANOTHER WORLD! ALL YOU IMPERIAL DOGS DO IS JUMP ONTO MY BLADES, AND FOR WHAT, TO DENT CRUSHEPHUS' MIGHTY WAR PLATE? HAR HAR!" *cough* "On the blood of my brothers, I swear to my Emperor, I will be your death this day, chaos filth!"
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Arquinsiel posted:Actually it does, their Plasma Cannon could only fire the "wait a turn to recharge" blast while everyone else's (yes even Orks) could fire an alternate three-shot burst mode. Also only Chaos had the 2nd ed equivalent of "Gets Hot!". Srsly man, this was the god-damned reason given for it in the Chaos Codex. Bear in mind also that the Rogue Trader "Traitor Terminator with Assault Cannon" model was in the same era as the "Space Marine with Fleshborer" that I have knocking around. The Horus Heresy only turned up in fluff after that by a ways. You're literally just talking about a single rule for one weapon in one 2nd ed codex when the whole premise of the fluff and the tabletop rules is that everything is getting worse which is why the newer technology that the Imperium is not as good as the older technology that it's lost such as the STCs or anything from the Dark Age of Technology. Also this argument is really stupid so I'm just going to leave it. Cream_Filling posted:The fluff fiction is sometimes bad about this, especially when they do the whole "describe a fight scene like a game" thing, but a model being removed means the model's no longer in combat, not necessarily that they're dead. I feel like the death rates we see for Space Marines in most 40k fiction, which is usually a minimum of 1-2 per fight scene, would be unsustainable otherwise. But whatever, it's 40k. I think it really depends on the fluff but it makes sense for certain fights to have high casualties especially if it's marines v marines. That said the fiction can be hugely inconsistent about how much damage weapons do and what wounds a space marine can recover from. High casualty rates are probably acceptable by certain chapters, such as the Black Templars or the Marine Errants but other chapters would probably need a couple of decades to recover if they suffered too many deaths. On a different subject, when did Black Library start selling posters and wallpapers?
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I want to customize my kindle with some 40k screensavers. Does anyone have some good quality 40k images that would like nice grey scaled? Here are 3 I'm using right now:    These are formatted for a kindle paperwhite if you want to use them. You'll have to reduce the vertical dimensions if you want to use them on an older kindle. The Krieg guy is my favorite, its spartan but looks really cool on the kindle 
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Nephilm posted:I bet this could lead to some awkward moments. Sorry, my favorite is still the warboss attacking his past self so he can have two of his favorite gun.
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Dec 10, 2012 21:28
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Cream_Filling posted:Just like I assume a big chunk of those backpacks they wear is just filled with ammo.
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Cream_Filling posted:Sorry, my favorite is still the warboss attacking his past self so he can have two of his favorite gun. This is awesome and I need a link pronto.
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Mikojan posted:This is awesome and I need a link pronto. It's in the Ork Codex.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:It's in the Ork Codex. I think it's in the main rulebook isn't it? "the resulting Waaagh was stopped amidst the confusion" or something like that? On the page after the awesome "this is how a waagh looks" drawing, where the fleet gets eaten by a void whale.
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Ardent Communist posted:And of course, there's the point that the initial legions were many times larger than any chapter now, so even taking enormous casualties during the Heresy could still mean there's 10,000 Night Lords or what-have you. In one of the Talos & Co. short stories, where they retrieve the recording of Curze's death they basically say that there are 12,000 Nightlords gathered and those were the ones that were able to respond to the summons immediately. Implying that there's a poo poo ton more Nightlords around. Lyer fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Dec 11, 2012 |
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In the HH books it's implied several times that the average number of marines in a legion was ~100,000, with some, like the Ultramarines, having considerably more, and others having fewer.
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It used to be around 10k per legion but it's been retconned since the HH series started.
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Nephilm posted:It used to be around 10k per legion but it's been retconned since the HH series started. Yeah, I think the latest HH art book flat-out states that the Ultramarines had something like 250,000 marines.
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Nephilm posted:It used to be around 10k per legion but it's been retconned since the HH series started. So I'm reading the HH: Betrayal Forge World book right now. Apparently, they felt the need to explain so many years of Chaos Space Marine models with topknots and mohawks - they're callbacks to the Cthonian gang-inspired fashion of the Sons of Horus. Over time, the legion degenerated and became more brutal and prone to going O.G. all up inna Emperor's hizzouse. That being said, it's a pretty cool book so far - of course we all know the backstory, but it is nice to have it in a condensed format with some additional info thrown in. I've still got a long way to go though - I'm only on the Sons of Horus so far. As an aside, if you play 40K, the Sons of Horus (or Black Legion for sake of argument) are the most well rounded of all the legions in terms of combat tactics and unit composition - Horus was all about researching what worked on the battlefield and employing it within his own legion. I thought that was a pretty nice little tidbit of info as to why they're the most ubiquitous CSMs in the game.
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lenoon posted:I think it's in the main rulebook isn't it? "the resulting Waaagh was stopped amidst the confusion" or something like that? On the page after the awesome "this is how a waagh looks" drawing, where the fleet gets eaten by a void whale. You're thinking of the right picture, but that's in the Ork codex.
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berzerkmonkey posted:As an aside, if you play 40K, the Sons of Horus (or Black Legion for sake of argument) are the most well rounded of all the legions in terms of combat tactics and unit composition - Horus was all about researching what worked on the battlefield and employing it within his own legion. I thought that was a pretty nice little tidbit of info as to why they're the most ubiquitous CSMs in the game. It's also that while other Chaos Legions are used to represent the epitome of worship of one Chaos God or another (as well as mirrors to certain specialist loyalists), the Black Legion is really represented as being more anti-Imperium than pro-Chaos in any substiantial way - the most substantial element being how a point is made that Abaddon has been offered daemonhood several times and keeps turning it down. They're the Chaos legion that's still driven by strategic objectives in the material realm instead of being distracted by all that living in the Eye of Terror entails.
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Now, if BL has a proper explanation as to why the Daemon Primarchs (with the exception of Angron) just sit around doing nothing... Honsou calls out Perturabo indirectly in one of the short stories in the Iron Warriors Omnibus for exactly that.
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Schneider Heim posted:Now, if BL has a proper explanation as to why the Daemon Primarchs (with the exception of Angron) just sit around doing nothing... Honsou calls out Perturabo indirectly in one of the short stories in the Iron Warriors Omnibus for exactly that. They do - the price of immortality is becoming a creature of Chaos - you lose all interest in the realm of mortal creatures because your sense of perception stretches so far that you don't need to care about anything that happens in any one lifetime.
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Schneider Heim posted:Now, if BL has a proper explanation as to why the Daemon Primarchs (with the exception of Angron) just sit around doing nothing... Honsou calls out Perturabo indirectly in one of the short stories in the Iron Warriors Omnibus for exactly that. I'm pretty sure that all of the Chaos Primarchs that are still alive, save for Lorgar, do actually do things. Magnus tried to attack Fenris, Fulgrim killed/mortally wounded Guilliman and Mortarion rules the Plague Planet andhad Draigo carve a name into his heart
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Kegslayer posted:Mortarion rules the Plague Planet andhad Draigo carve a name into his heart
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Alchenar posted:They do - the price of immortality is becoming a creature of Chaos - you lose all interest in the realm of mortal creatures because your sense of perception stretches so far that you don't need to care about anything that happens in any one lifetime. That makes sense, and that's the explanation I've been thinking, but it's such a cop-out... I guess they can't all have the Daemon Primarchs running around and screwing the Imperium over. There are ways to permanently kill daemons, after all, and they wouldn't make very compelling characters post-Heresy. Which reminds me, I gotta read Battle of the Fang. berzerkmonkey posted:Ok, I've seen this mentioned a few times - where exactly was this story? Lily Catts fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Dec 12, 2012 |
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Schneider Heim posted:That makes sense, and that's the explanation I've been thinking, but it's such a cop-out... It isn't, it's actually a standard (and quite deep - considering this is GW we're talking about) Sci-fi/fantasy issue to explore; someone who is immortal might have aims and objectives, but they will have literally no time pressure on achieving those goals - so how would that person act?
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Alchenar posted:It's also that while other Chaos Legions are used to represent the epitome of worship of one Chaos God or another (as well as mirrors to certain specialist loyalists), the Black Legion is really represented as being more anti-Imperium than pro-Chaos in any substiantial way - the most substantial element being how a point is made that Abaddon has been offered daemonhood several times and keeps turning it down. I read that he refuses to ascend because that would mean he'd be susceptible to be banished to the warp. Being "mortal" lets' him come and go as he pleases, not to mention there aren't many things that could kill him anyway. But yeah, I get the impression that for Black Legion, chaos is just a means to an end.
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Lorgar - Became like a god himself, retreating to his own meditations to contemplate the greatness of chaos while leaving the running of his legion to themselves. Magnus - Controls his legion from the planet of sorcerers while gathering knowledge etc. Perturabo - Got the fortress world that he wanted and loosely guides his legion from there. Mortarion - Like Perturabo, but with more roaming. Fulgrim - They hosed his fluff so we don't even know. The first two have little desire or need to leave the eye, while the rest do it occasionally but the goal to destroy the Imperium is just not there anymore.
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Nephilm posted:Lorgar - Became like a god himself, retreating to his own meditations to contemplate the greatness of chaos while leaving the running of his legion to themselves. I figured they still have that goal, but it's more of a 'eh, when I can be bothered' kind of deal. Like others said, they've transcended humanity so they're doubtless less likely to give a gently caress. On the other hand, they were all jealous of Horus in some respect or another, and envied his power and skill, and if he didn't bring down the Imperium, how can they? I like to see it as an insecurity thing, in a way.
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I got my tab and I'm trying to purchase an ebook from the BL store, but it wouldn't let me pay in USD. Is the USD option for US customers only? I'm not from UK/EU/Canada/Australia and I'm only allowed to pay in GBP. The difference in price is sizable.
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Schneider Heim posted:I got my tab and I'm trying to purchase an ebook from the BL store, but it wouldn't let me pay in USD. Is the USD option for US customers only? I'm not from UK/EU/Canada/Australia and I'm only allowed to pay in GBP. The difference in price is sizable. Well, I would assume that whatever country you're in is going to be routed via IP address to the appropriate currency. GBP is probably the default for most of the world.
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After finally finishing Pariah I can only say that I am terribly underwhelmed and I hope it all clicks in the next book, joined for old school inquisitor bolter porn, left feeling like I had been given flick-knife soft-porn.
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Emnity posted:After finally finishing Pariah I can only say that I am terribly underwhelmed and I hope it all clicks in the next book, joined for old school inquisitor bolter porn, left feeling like I had been given flick-knife soft-porn. I'm sincerely sorry that you don't enjoy good books.
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Emnity posted:After finally finishing Pariah I can only say that I am terribly underwhelmed and I hope it all clicks in the next book, joined for old school inquisitor bolter porn, left feeling like I had been given flick-knife soft-porn. Inquisitor books are usually going to be space fantasy versions of detective fiction and/or adventure fiction, not war fiction or fantasy neo-epics like the typical bolter porn. It's a genre thing, and you should change your expectations.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Inquisitors don't even use bolter weapons most of the time Not entirely true: the bolt pistol seems like the standard pimp-rear end status symbol for the outgoing Inquisitor. It's a personal weapon (i.e., a city weapon and not a rifle) that's extremely expensive, extremely loud, and extremely unsubtle, since it's usually pointlessly overpowered against normal human targets. It makes a statement.
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Cream_Filling posted:Not entirely true: the bolt pistol seems like the standard pimp-rear end status symbol for the outgoing Inquisitor. It's a personal weapon (i.e., a city weapon and not a rifle) that's extremely expensive, extremely loud, and extremely unsubtle, since it's usually pointlessly overpowered against normal human targets. It makes a statement. "most of the time" I'd say that Jokaero digital weapons are the de facto Inquisitor status symbol armament. 
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Mechafunkzilla posted:"most of the time" Hey, it's not conspicuous consumption unless it's conspicuous!
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