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greatn posted:What did Kennedy have? "Years after Kennedy's death, it was revealed that in September 1947, at age 30, and while in his first term in Congress, he was diagnosed by Sir Daniel Davis at The London Clinic with Addison's disease, a rare endocrine disorder. In 1966, his White House doctor, Janet Travell, revealed that Kennedy also had hypothyroidism. The presence of two endocrine diseases raises the possibility that Kennedy had autoimmune polyendocrine syndrome type 2 (APS 2). He also suffered from chronic and severe back pain, for which he had surgery and was written up in the AMA's Archives of Surgery. Kennedy's condition may even have had diplomatic repercussions, as he appears to have been taking a combination of drugs to treat severe pain during the 1961 Vienna Summit with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev. The combination included hormones, animal organ cells, steroids, vitamins, enzymes, and amphetamines, and potential side effects included hyperactivity, hypertension, impaired judgment, nervousness, and significant mood swings."
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Install Gentoo posted:"Years after Kennedy's death, it was revealed that in September 1947, at age 30, and while in his first term in Congress, he was diagnosed by Sir Daniel Davis at The London Clinic with Addison's disease, a rare endocrine disorder. In 1966, his White House doctor, Janet Travell, revealed that Kennedy also had hypothyroidism. The presence of two endocrine diseases raises the possibility that Kennedy had autoimmune polyendocrine syndrome type 2 (APS 2). He also suffered from chronic and severe back pain, for which he had surgery and was written up in the AMA's Archives of Surgery. Kennedy's condition may even have had diplomatic repercussions, as he appears to have been taking a combination of drugs to treat severe pain during the 1961 Vienna Summit with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev. The combination included hormones, animal organ cells, steroids, vitamins, enzymes, and amphetamines, and potential side effects included hyperactivity, hypertension, impaired judgment, nervousness, and significant mood swings." What Holy poo poo, that is some cocktail.
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Dec 11, 2012 20:32
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Arbitrary Coin posted:What Holy poo poo, that is some cocktail. Our greatest President. 
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Dec 11, 2012 20:58
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His doctor, Max Jacobson, also gave those shots to Jackie, and himself. His nickname was Dr. Feelgood and he lost his medical license in 1975.
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Dec 11, 2012 21:13
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Joementum posted:His doctor, Max Jacobson, also gave those shots to Jackie, and himself. His nickname was Dr. Feelgood and he lost his medical license in 1975. When questioned about what Jacobson was shooting him full of, Kennedy reportedly said something akin to "I don't care if it's horse piss." Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Dec 11, 2012 |
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Dec 11, 2012 21:21
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The thing to remember is that today, it is a lot harder to hide something like that from the public and the media. Since so many people have cameras on them 24/7, and there's now so much information that is easily accessed, and just the general length of these things, we'll find out. Also, if a presidential candidate didn't release a health report, people would ask "what was he hiding?"
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Dec 11, 2012 23:11
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Cemetry Gator posted:The thing to remember is that today, it is a lot harder to hide something like that from the public and the media. Since so many people have cameras on them 24/7, and there's now so much information that is easily accessed, and just the general length of these things, we'll find out.
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Dec 11, 2012 23:43
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But there's a natural limit to what you can get away with. Someone's going to notice if a candidate is really, legitimately sick.
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Dec 11, 2012 23:46
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Cemetry Gator posted:But there's a natural limit to what you can get away with. Someone's going to notice if a candidate is really, legitimately sick. The bigger problem is probably that they can't just ensconce themselves in their HQ, because they have a metric fuckton of fundraisers to attend since CU.
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Install Gentoo posted:"Years after Kennedy's death, it was revealed that in September 1947, at age 30, and while in his first term in Congress, he was diagnosed by Sir Daniel Davis at The London Clinic with Addison's disease, a rare endocrine disorder. In 1966, his White House doctor, Janet Travell, revealed that Kennedy also had hypothyroidism. The presence of two endocrine diseases raises the possibility that Kennedy had autoimmune polyendocrine syndrome type 2 (APS 2). He also suffered from chronic and severe back pain, for which he had surgery and was written up in the AMA's Archives of Surgery. Kennedy's condition may even have had diplomatic repercussions, as he appears to have been taking a combination of drugs to treat severe pain during the 1961 Vienna Summit with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev. The combination included hormones, animal organ cells, steroids, vitamins, enzymes, and amphetamines, and potential side effects included hyperactivity, hypertension, impaired judgment, nervousness, and significant mood swings."
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Dec 12, 2012 04:59
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Kennedy and FDR prove that health shouldn't rule out picks for president. I mean, the system was designed in the 18th century, when everyone died immediately. That's why we have a vice-president. I would never trade in health rumors to try and take out a pick. (Huckabee is totes gonna die though)
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Dec 12, 2012 05:14
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SedanChair posted:Kennedy and FDR prove that health shouldn't rule out picks for president. I mean, the system was designed in the 18th century, when everyone died immediately. That's why we have a vice-president. We shouldn't rule out picks for presidents based on health, but we should definitely make sure somebody really good is in the VP slot if we pick somebody with poor health because it'll become the Democratic VP versus the Republican Presidential nominee in that case (i.e. a reverse of 2008's Obama v. Palin narrative).
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Dec 12, 2012 05:21
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You probably won't be surprised to learn that Hillary is leading Rubio and Rand Paul in a 2016 Presidential poll right now. But you might be surprised to learn that it is a poll of Kentucky voters.
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Dec 12, 2012 17:02
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Joementum posted:You probably won't be surprised to learn that Hillary is leading Rubio and Rand Paul in a 2016 Presidential poll right now. Look at those Pitino unfavorables!
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Dec 12, 2012 17:10
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Joementum posted:You probably won't be surprised to learn that Hillary is leading Rubio and Rand Paul in a 2016 Presidential poll right now. I was just reading this on PPP's site as well. This makes me wonder what a 2016 map would look like. Does Hillary make other Southern (I realize Kentuckians may not consider themselves Southern) states back in play? Does her nomination help Republicans get back into states that Obama won or made close (VA and NC come to mind)?
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canyonero posted:I was just reading this on PPP's site as well. This makes me wonder what a 2016 map would look like. Does Hillary make other Southern (I realize Kentuckians may not consider themselves Southern) states back in play? Does her nomination help Republicans get back into states that Obama won or made close (VA and NC come to mind)? I'd be real interested to see polling from Arkansas
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Dec 12, 2012 17:20
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Riptor posted:I'd be real interested to see polling from Arkansas If Kentucky looks like that, Arkansas will look even more favorable.
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Dec 12, 2012 17:22
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Nuclearmonkee posted:If Kentucky looks like that, Arkansas will look even more favorable. I would hope/imagine so but I'm also curious about perceptions of Hillary in Arkansas what with the whole notion of her being a reverse carpetbagger re: her senate career
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canyonero posted:I was just reading this on PPP's site as well. This makes me wonder what a 2016 map would look like. Does Hillary make other Southern (I realize Kentuckians may not consider themselves Southern) states back in play? Does her nomination help Republicans get back into states that Obama won or made close (VA and NC come to mind)? Maybe it makes all those "whites only" Democrats return home. It could make West Virginia competitive too.
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Dec 12, 2012 17:26
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Alter Ego posted:Maybe it makes all those "whites only" Democrats return home. It could make West Virginia competitive too. That racist lady on the motorcycle from 2008 would vote for her!
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Dec 12, 2012 17:30
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SedanChair posted:Kennedy and FDR prove that health shouldn't rule out picks for president. I mean, the system was designed in the 18th century, when everyone died immediately. That's why we have a vice-president. Kennedy and FDR prove pretty much nothing since their illnesses, or at least the extent of their illnesses, weren't publicized. FDR has very few known photographs of him in a wheelchair and the Secret Service was pretty aggressive in that regard.
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canyonero posted:I was just reading this on PPP's site as well. This makes me wonder what a 2016 map would look like. Does Hillary make other Southern (I realize Kentuckians may not consider themselves Southern) states back in play? Does her nomination help Republicans get back into states that Obama won or made close (VA and NC come to mind)? Of the states Obama won/lost with >5% (FL, NC, OH, VA), Virginia was the least close one (Obama won it by almost 4%). The funny part is that of those states, Obama could have lost every single one and still received over 270 electoral votes. In an election he really should not have won. But, yes, to your larger point, I think Hillary opens the map up significantly more. It's also great because she does it without making other votes less excited, as someone like Brian Schweitzer would maybe do (who would open up the map A LOT, as a gun-toting Democrat from Montana - I think he'd be great VP for Hillary because of this).
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Dec 12, 2012 18:11
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Schweitzer also has Palin-esque levels of folksiness and showmanship, without the ignorance or being a horrible human being part. He literally has an iron brand labeled VETO he burns bills with. He's hokey as gently caress and comes off like a snake oil salesman sometimes. In other words a perfect vice presidential candidate.
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raito posted:But, yes, to your larger point, I think Hillary opens the map up significantly more. It's also great because she does it without making other votes less excited, as someone like Brian Schweitzer would maybe do (who would open up the map A LOT, as a gun-toting Democrat from Montana - I think he'd be great VP for Hillary because of this). His resemblance to Tom Arnold might prove problematic, assuming anyone remembers who he is by 2016.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Kennedy and FDR prove pretty much nothing since their illnesses, or at least the extent of their illnesses, weren't publicized. FDR has very few known photographs of him in a wheelchair and the Secret Service was pretty aggressive in that regard. My point was that we shouldn't rule them out because those guys were pretty decent presidents.
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Dec 12, 2012 19:36
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Biden for foreverveep
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SedanChair posted:My point was that we shouldn't rule them out because those guys were pretty decent presidents. Kennedy wasn't a very good president and wouldn't be remembered so fondly had people not seen him get his head blown off.
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SilentD posted:Kennedy wasn't a very good president and wouldn't be remembered so fondly had people not seen him get his head blown off. Cuban missile crisis helped a lot with that. No idea how an alternate history Vietnam would turn out so I'm not going to speculate more.
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Dec 12, 2012 20:05
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hobbesmaster posted:Look at those Pitino unfavorables! I'm surprised U of L fans make up as much as 17%, but not the rest. The Clintons are well loved down here.
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Dec 12, 2012 20:09
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I'm surprised U of L fans make up as much as 17%, but not the rest. The Clintons are well loved down here. Judd for senate, Mitch is a U of L fan!
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Dec 12, 2012 20:12
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SilentD posted:Kennedy wasn't a very good president and wouldn't be remembered so fondly had people not seen him get his head blown off. Are you saying that wouldn't have made Bush a better president? e: guys, this is a "Bush sucks" joke, stop writing Harry Turtledove novels about it woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Dec 12, 2012 |
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Dec 12, 2012 20:13
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SedanChair posted:Are you saying that wouldn't have made Bush a better president? If Bush had been killed by someone with ties to an arabic nation(like Oswald's ties to Russia) in 2003 right before the Iraq war started he would be remembered as a hero who united the country, gave people a huge tax cut and was sadly slain, and Cheney and his successor would shoulder all historic blame for Iraq. You can't make a direct comparison to Kennedy of course, they are nothing alike. But IF they shared that event in common they would be a lot more alike.
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Dec 12, 2012 20:18
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SedanChair posted:Are you saying that wouldn't have made Bush a better president? I have no idea what would have happened. Given the fiasco after 9/11 and Cheney it could have been worse, who knows. It's futile to try and game out that sort of "what if". But Kennedy certainly wasn't a good president. His assassination, combined with the assassination of his brother have plastered over his issues. In a similar fashion the attack on Reagans life did help unite the country behind him. Attempts on the life of our leaders is always good for uniting people behind them and making them sympathetic beings, even symbols.
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Dec 12, 2012 20:40
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Riptor posted:I would hope/imagine so but I'm also curious about perceptions of Hillary in Arkansas what with the whole notion of her being a reverse carpetbagger re: her senate career "She went up to New York and show them Yankees how its done." (Loosely). It sounds silly, but you could work that angle a whole lot to her favor.
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Dec 12, 2012 20:42
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Hillary would win Arkansas and the election easily, regardless of who Republicans run. Gotta wonder how much she's putting that into consideration for another run. because if she ran in the primary, I'd put her chances at roughly 80% to win the whole thing.
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Lee Harvey Oswald posted:Hillary would win Arkansas and the election easily, regardless of who Republicans run. Gotta wonder how much she's putting that into consideration for another run. because if she ran in the primary, I'd put her chances at roughly 80% to win the whole thing. It seems as so, but it was also thought like that in 2008. It's probably playing to Hillary's attention yes, but she's probably leering at one of the Castro brothers to suddenly s how up and steal it from her again.
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I don't think anyone could steal the primary from Hilary again. Didn't they already change the delegate rules to make the way Obama did it a lot less plausible? And didn't enough young naive people such as myself learn that there's no such thing as a perfect progressive, and that Hilary Clinton has been awesome as SoS and earned it, and probably would have been a better negotiator than Obama anyway?
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smg77 posted:If Biden decides to run would Hillary step aside? Nobody wants Biden to run. Hillary would destroy him in a primary challenge if he decided to run against her. If she doesn't run, he'd probably have a better shot because gently caress Andrew Cuomo and Martin O'Malley.
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raito posted:Nobody wants Biden to run. Hillary would destroy him in a primary challenge if he decided to run against her. Biden would probably make the best president of all of them. But I think the media narrative is that he's somewhat of a joke which is completely unfair but pervasive.
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