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Child's Play just posted a bunch of pictures from their charity auction a week ago and in amongst the depressingly but unsurprisingly large number of fedoras I found two pictures of Patrick Rothfuss. So, those definitely belong in our little fan/antifan club.
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Child's Play just posted a bunch of pictures from their charity auction a week ago and in amongst the depressingly but unsurprisingly large number of fedoras I found two pictures of Patrick Rothfuss. So, those definitely belong in our little fan/antifan club. Eh. Despite some weird ideas about women, I don't think Rothfuss is a terrible person. He does a lot for charity and genuinely isn't a jerk. At a (semi) ritzy event, I find it hard to be mad at him for wearing a top hat. I'd probably do the same.
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Dec 14, 2012 09:33
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Top hats are fine, and yeah, whatever his writerly virtues and his backwards views on women, Rothfuss gives a lot to charity so he's cool in my book. Fedoras not so much, although I did find one guy who makes it work.
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Dec 14, 2012 17:58
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That was not a link to a picture of Matt Bomer and is therefore extremely wrong.
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Dec 14, 2012 18:10
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Patrick Rothfuss does not want to see The Hobbit https://www.facebook.com/Patrick.Rothfuss/posts/10151361165373524 I wonder if we'll get another creepy blog post about it.
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Dec 14, 2012 19:45
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Ohvee posted:Patrick Rothfuss does not want to see The Hobbit Man, that's like a checklist of terrible complaints. Too much CGI, calling it only one third of a movie, being smug about how he doesn't like things that are mainstream, and of course "my childhood memories  "So many weird justifications for not seeing it when he could just say something like "I didn't like Peter Jackson's take on Lord of the Rings so I don't think I'll like this." Srice fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Dec 14, 2012 |
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Dec 14, 2012 20:36
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Calling The Hobbit 1/3rd of a movie is like calling The Name of the Wind 1/3rd of a book. Just because your story is too long to fit comfortably into the average size that a medium has settled on for a work of art in that medium doesn't mean that, when you chop it down, you're getting 1/3rd of what you should really get.
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Dec 14, 2012 21:15
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Calling The Hobbit 1/3rd of a movie is like calling The Name of the Wind 1/3rd of a book. Just because your story is too long to fit comfortably into the average size that a medium has settled on for a work of art in that medium doesn't mean that, when you chop it down, you're getting 1/3rd of what you should really get. I dunno, I have a lot of trouble imagining The Hobbit needing 7.5 hours to be told well.
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Dec 14, 2012 21:19
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Almost any book can be turned into many hours of TV/film. Look at the Dune miniseries or The Game of Thrones or the Pride and Prejudice miniseries or whatever. You could cram The Hobbit into one movie and they've done it before but there's easily enough there to fill ~8 hours.
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Dec 14, 2012 21:36
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Almost any book can be turned into many hours of TV/film. Look at the Dune miniseries or The Game of Thrones or the Pride and Prejudice miniseries or whatever. You could cram The Hobbit into one movie and they've done it before but there's easily enough there to fill ~8 hours. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, or that it'll be good or interesting.
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Dec 14, 2012 22:14
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Danhenge posted:Just because you can doesn't mean you should, or that it'll be good or interesting.
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Dec 14, 2012 22:50
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Almost any book can be turned into many hours of TV/film. Look at the Dune miniseries or The Game of Thrones or the Pride and Prejudice miniseries or whatever. You could cram The Hobbit into one movie and they've done it before but there's easily enough there to fill ~8 hours. Having seen it, I'm not sure I agree. Seemed to me that about half of it was stuff that wasn't in the book. Sure, most of the additions were pretty cool, but it hardly needed to be there. Two movies I could consider justified, but three seems a bit over the top. I suppose we'll see when the rest of them are released.
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Dec 15, 2012 17:37
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A friend recommended me these books, so I picked them up with the intention of reading them over Christmas week at my sister's house. Welp I read the first one already and am now half way through the second book. Really enjoying them. Anyway, what are some similar or better fantasy books?
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Dec 17, 2012 07:20
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ace_beef posted:A friend recommended me these books, so I picked them up with the intention of reading them over Christmas week at my sister's house. Welp I read the first one already and am now half way through the second book. Really enjoying them. Anyway, what are some similar or better fantasy books? The First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie.
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Dec 17, 2012 07:27
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Thanks for the recommendations, I will definitely pick them up before I leave.
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Dec 17, 2012 08:02
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Above Our Own posted:The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch. Just a heads up both of those suggestions are a bit dark.
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Dec 17, 2012 17:54
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Fallorn posted:Just a heads up both of those suggestions are a bit dark. And both way better. These are literally my 2 favorite series, and Lies only has 2 books so far.
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Dec 17, 2012 20:05
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:And both way better. These are literally my 2 favorite series, and Lies only has 2 books so far. I said nothing about how great they are, but they can really wreck your day if you were not expecting something like it.
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Dec 17, 2012 20:44
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Yeah Lies of Locke Lamora was one of my favorite books in the last 10 years or so. The second one wasn't as good, but the first one was fantastic. I wish the author would hurry up on the third one. 
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Dec 17, 2012 21:53
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Fallorn posted:Just a heads up both of those suggestions are a bit dark.
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Dec 17, 2012 22:16
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Patrofuss was interviewed on the TWiT show NSFW. I couldn't make it more than 10 minutes in (nothing new there), but maybe others could.
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Dec 18, 2012 05:30
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And The Denver Post has an article on him too.
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Dec 18, 2012 05:34
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Kynetx posted:Patrofuss was interviewed on the TWiT show NSFW. I couldn't make it more than 10 minutes in (nothing new there), but maybe others could. Is this some sort of contest for most annoying host? You must have a will of steel to have made it 10 minutes.
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Dec 18, 2012 05:50
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Fallorn posted:Ambrose is the king he already has moved up in line of succession in the books. Kvothe hates him, and it has been set up since the first book. Ambrose is the reason for the stupid "trial" against Kvothe because of his place in the royal hierarchy. I really don't like the idea of Ambrose being the king. I have always viewed him as a petty antagonist. The feud between him and Kvothe could easily be classified as "antics" in comparison to the evils present in the wider story.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:19
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ukiyo e posted:I really don't like the idea of Ambrose being the king. I have always viewed him as a petty antagonist. The feud between him and Kvothe could easily be classified as "antics" in comparison to the evils present in the wider story. Like so many things in this novel, Ambrose is basically just a mary-sue embodiment of teenage angst and has very little of his own character developed. He's just a talking plot point.
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Dec 18, 2012 20:28
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Still no release date for the 3rd book? It's been written for years
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Dec 19, 2012 04:31
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wellwhoopdedooo posted:Is this some sort of contest for most annoying host? You must have a will of steel to have made it 10 minutes. I like Brian Brushwood when he's with anyone else, but the combination of the other host with the idiotic tone of that show is grating in the extreme.
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Dec 19, 2012 14:31
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Above Our Own posted:Absolutely, he's a boring one-dimensional character. Worming his way into the kingship seems completely unbelievable for his level of cunning. Yes but the whole point of a Monarchy is that he doesn't need to worm his way into anything, he basically needs to wait and not die and he's close enough to the throne that he'll inherit power by default. Which does fit with the novels theme of Kvothe having to struggle for everything he accomplishes (despite being universally awesome at everything) while others just have their desires handed to them.
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Dec 20, 2012 03:18
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Calico Noose posted:Yes but the whole point of a Monarchy is that he doesn't need to worm his way into anything, he basically needs to wait and not die and he's close enough to the throne that he'll inherit power by default. Which does fit with the novels theme of Kvothe having to struggle for everything he accomplishes (despite being universally awesome at everything) while others just have their desires handed to them.
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Dec 20, 2012 04:41
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Above Our Own posted:He's like what, 13th in the line of succession? When the wealth and power of a kingship are up for grabs people don't sit by and let protocol determine the new king in any universe remotely resembling our own. At the slightest hint of an unclear succession they wage war, form complicated networks of alliance, and assassinate rival claimants. The shenanigans of succession struggles are well known to history (and consequently fantasy tropes). Well, the first and second books in the series seemed to revel in subverting various tropes...maybe Ambrose will become king because the current king and the entire royal family die in a boating accident, and the 4th cousin twice removed chokes on his dinner.
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Dec 27, 2012 02:19
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I'm just going to drop this here.
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Dec 27, 2012 02:31
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ace_beef posted:A friend recommended me these books, so I picked them up with the intention of reading them over Christmas week at my sister's house. Welp I read the first one already and am now half way through the second book. Really enjoying them. Anyway, what are some similar or better fantasy books? I classify the Black Company in a very similar vein as this and Lies. Well written, clever underdog protagonists against magical powers beyond their ken, a little bit of dark humor that stuff. Only the Black Company is kinda the best.
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Dec 27, 2012 04:21
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the JJ posted:I classify the Black Company in a very similar vein as this and Lies. Well written, clever underdog protagonists against magical powers beyond their ken, a little bit of dark humor that stuff. If you stop after the first three books the black company is pretty boss. If you keep going you lose the magic.
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Dec 27, 2012 09:26
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Is there a confused ironicat gif out there? This does lend weight to the whole Kvothe is telling the story and he objectifies women not Rothfuss thingy. Not that two books of it is really acceptable.
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Dec 27, 2012 13:24
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Antinumeric posted:Is there a confused ironicat gif out there? This does lend weight to the whole Kvothe is telling the story and he objectifies women not Rothfuss thingy. Not that two books of it is really acceptable. Patrick Rothfuss is a feminist. He says so himself. He also likes poetry.
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Dec 27, 2012 17:28
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Benson Cunningham posted:If you stop after the first three books the black company is pretty boss. If you keep going you lose the magic. The next few books were fun enough to keep reading.
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Dec 27, 2012 17:32
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Antinumeric posted:Is there a confused ironicat gif out there? This does lend weight to the whole Kvothe is telling the story and he objectifies women not Rothfuss thingy. Not that two books of it is really acceptable. On the other hand, some of the posts of Rothfuss' blog and other things he has said elsewhere provide an argument for otherwise. Like that really weird metaphor he used as an explanation for why he hates the Lord of the Rings films.
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Dec 27, 2012 18:51
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Antinumeric posted:Is there a confused ironicat gif out there? This does lend weight to the whole Kvothe is telling the story and he objectifies women not Rothfuss thingy. Not that two books of it is really acceptable. Well, for context "The Boys" is a super over-the-top intended-to-be-offensive Garth Ennis comic. It's the same one that got into trouble for having a hamster crawl out of a gay character's rear end . It is pretty seriously misogynistic, probably both intentionally and unintentionally, but to me it's a little bizarre to criticize it only for that reason - it's also homophobic (if the rear end-hamster didn't make that obvious) and vaguely racist. It's Ennis's shtick with that series. To me, that just suggests that Rothfuss is in the same boat a lot of people with stunted social skills are, where he genuinely unaware of how patronizing and creepy the putting women on a pedestal thing is.
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Dec 27, 2012 20:39
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Antinumeric posted:Is there a confused ironicat gif out there? This does lend weight to the whole Kvothe is telling the story and he objectifies women not Rothfuss thingy. Not that two books of it is really acceptable. I would never accuse Rothfuss of thinking that women are stupid, useless, powerless, or otherwise inferior to men (based on my reading of his books and his blog, that is). He doesn't seem to have those kinds of hang-ups, and even in his books while Kvothe represents the ultimate in heroism, the women are actually the more competent or independent on the whole. He doesn't even revel in rape or other displays of male dominance over women (Kvothe dominates everyone in the end, but there's no real gender skew) - even when sexual assaults or the like are mentioned or dealt with it is at a cold distance. His issue has always been in the romantic or sexual give and take between genders, where the women are either pragmatic "sex as a weapon or hormonal necessity" sorts or untouchable, doll-like perfection. The most important thing about her is either her vagina or her heart. The Denna character in some way shows that he's at least mildly aware of this binary tendency, since she shows aspects of both camps, but the persistent underlying thread of the books are that once you find a woman desirable you either sleep with her (when she seems interested) or you admire her devotedly from afar and hope that love blooms (when she does not). There's no engaging with her on a deeper, individual level. She's not a person, she's an object. Ironically Felurian might be the closest he comes to engaging a sexually desirable woman on an emotional level, but her essence is one of such ephemera that she never feels like a real person either. Sophia fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Dec 27, 2012 |
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Despite all that, I always thought that Devi and Mola, for example, were pretty good female characters. Most female characters Rothfuss writes seem to be pretty good in fact, a lot better than the vast majority of fantasy writers portray them. I agree that Denna. Felurian and the sex ninjas are pretty dumb, but it wasn't all bad.
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