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Lemon Curdistan posted:It's worth buying. Also, it will be on sale for $15 on Amazon.com digital in a few days (which registers on Steam). Thank you all for your answers. I saw the sale for consoles but I only play on PC's and reading this is really refreshing. If I may ask, is it that Steam Prepare to Die Edition? I will go roll around Amazon and try to hunt down an ETA on this sale now, thanks!
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The only version on PC is the Prepare to Die edition. So you're fine buying it anywhere.
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Mask posted:Hate to ask a watered down question like this but I have never played Dark Souls and always found it really interesting from the streams/youtube videos I have watched. Do you guys believe it is worth purchasing now or should I just wait for Dark Souls 2? Why would you want to wait for Dark Souls 2? Dark Souls is a good game, if you want to play a good game buy it. If you don't, then don't. Nobody knows when DS2 is coming out even.
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Since they're aiming at a western market pretty directly with Dark Souls 2 this time, I'd say they're targeting holiday 2013. Just a guess. But yeah buy dark souls already. It owns.
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And there's even online activity in DeS which is a couple of years older than DaS. re: What happens if I run into a PKKer or someone either overlevelled or with equipment matching my own? Try to lure them into their own death* or just mess around with dung and stuff. It doesn't cost me more than a few minutes of time whether I win or lose. *There was one memorable encounter with a fisher in the Parish; first time I ran up to the channeller and he got killed at the same time as he WotGed everything in the room (but hey a double KO is still a KO), and the second I got him to follow me on to the drake bridge. Toast. http://www.twitch.tv/angrymog/c/1785950 - The barrel of Doom! http://www.twitch.tv/angrymog/c/1785935 - One. Perfect. Parry Angrymog fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Dec 19, 2012 |
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Mischitary posted:Why would you want to wait for Dark Souls 2? Dark Souls is a good game, if you want to play a good game buy it. If you don't, then don't. Nobody knows when DS2 is coming out even. Only because I recently have been shown what a great game Dark Souls is and my first several Google searches had Dark Soul 2 development hits up everywhere. I realize now it is a far ways away so I will wait for the inevitable Digital price drop that was mentioned earlier and pick it up. Hopefully I didn't derail everyone to much.
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Tallgeese posted:Stuff like that is excessively rare. Most of the time it's Zweihanders, Great Scythes, and Shotels abound who run in, gank, and go. A couple of Demon Spears sometimes. No gimmick to speak of. How is that fun for the target in any way? It's not about the target having fun, it's about killing them. To most people it doesn't matter how you kill them or how "fair" the fight is, they just want them to die. You clearly think the same way since the people invading you don't stand a chance since you are vastly over leveled compared to them. You're doing the same thing, just in reverse. VVV Bleh, misread his post. Thought he said he was a character in range to be summoned by NG+ characters. Still, it isn't hard to understand why dickwraiths are called dickwraiths. They don't care if you have fun when they kill you, otherwise they wouldn't be invading a place where the majority of players can't fight back. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Dec 19, 2012 |
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Dec 19, 2012 15:58
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Buddy, if you feel you don't stand a chance against someone with 500 odd hp when you've got maxed out gear, maybe it's time to stop ganking noobs in the burg and start learning how to play the game.
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Dec 19, 2012 16:04
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Internet Kraken posted:It's not about the target having fun, it's about killing them. To most people it doesn't matter how you kill them or how "fair" the fight is, they just want them to die. You clearly think the same way since the people invading you don't stand a chance since you are vastly over leveled compared to them. You're doing the same thing, just in reverse. ...You call this overlevelled? http://mmdks.com/ihp
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Three decadent, wasteful levels! I kid, I kid. In all seriousness though, I felt the same way about dickwraiths, before I tried it. I'll never, ever go back. The dark side is more fun than the naysayers know.
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Dec 19, 2012 16:26
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So I'm trying to piece together the story for the game and one thing I'm confused about are the giants and the Four Lords themselves. Are the giant people humans imbued with more Souls? Also was Gwyn and the Witch of Izalith humans that ascended to godhood or were they already demi-gods at that point? I can see why the people developing DS2 want to un-obfuscate the story. I love the nonlinear and noninvasive storytelling in Dark Souls but I'm left with more questions than answers half of the time. That's probably the point, isn't it?
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I got drunk last night and one shotted Artorias and Manus. I should really do Drunk Souls more often.
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fennesz posted:I got drunk last night and one shotted Artorias and Manus. I should really do Drunk Souls more often. Drunk Souls goes 2 ways. 1: You play unbelievably well and can't replicate the experience sober and 2: you die to a hollow soldier 6 times in a row.
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Dec 19, 2012 16:35
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It's one way really, both things happen at the same time.
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Someone explain this Humanity and Hollow thing to me. I'm still not very far into the game but so far I haven't seen any benefits to turning myself back into human yet. What's this all about? [edit] Why are there random corpses stuck in barrels  Also I have no idea why I'm doing the stuff I'm doing but I enjoy doing it. Will the story go somewhere or is it mostly just me wandering around slaughtering monsters because I can until the end?
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superh posted:Three decadent, wasteful levels! Clearly the solution is to make a dark wraith that is a dignified murderer. I'll beat everyone to death with my cane. Zzulu posted:Someone explain this Humanity and Hollow thing to me. I'm still not very far into the game but so far I haven't seen any benefits to turning myself back into human yet. What's this all about? Being human causes a number of things to happen, but the main reason to go human is that it lets you kindle bonfires. Kindling a bonfire uses one humanity to make it give +5 estus flasks.
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Being human: -you can kindle bonfires by sacrifcing liquid humanity to permanently increase estus flasks given by the bonfire -you can summon other players and npcs to help -you can be invaded Hollow: -Can't kindle -Can't summon others but can place a sign to be summoned -Can't be invaded
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Zzulu posted:Someone explain this Humanity and Hollow thing to me. I'm still not very far into the game but so far I haven't seen any benefits to turning myself back into human yet. What's this all about? Okay. First off, you start out Hollow, and go back to being hollow when you die, it's the "default state". You can use Humanity to increase your "liquid humanity" (the large number in the upper left hand corner). This increases your item drop rate (making it more likely you'll get poo poo from defeated enemies). When you get to bonfire, you can spend "liquid humanity" to become human. This allows several things: 1. You can be invaded by other players (and by certain game NPCs). 2. You can summon other players to help you (and certain game NPCs). 3. While human, you can "Kindle" bonfires. It costs another liquid humanity, and it raises the number of charges your Estus Flask has. Every bonfire starts with 5 Estus charges. Kindling a bonfire once ups the charges to 10. Later in the game you can kindle even more. If you die with liquid humanity, you can recover it from your bloodstain. If you die while human, you become hollow again. To become human again you'll have to spend another liquid humanity at a bonfire.
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Liquid humanity also increases curse resistance and the bonus damage of chaos weapons. I think all of that caps at 10 humanity (including item drop, which can be further boosted by the Covetous Gold Serpent Ring).
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Vanderdeath posted:So I'm trying to piece together the story for the game and one thing I'm confused about are the giants and the Four Lords themselves. Are the giant people humans imbued with more Souls? Also was Gwyn and the Witch of Izalith humans that ascended to godhood or were they already demi-gods at that point? None of this is known for sure. It's fairly strongly hinted that humanity and chaos are related, and that humanity and the abyss are related. Also, Darkstalker Kaathe (who might well be a complete liar) tells you that the Age of Fire is the age of the gods, and that snuffing out the First Flame will free mortalkind from them.
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Huh, one thing I never realized is that using the Dark Hand soul sucking ability doesn't actual agro NPCs. Managed to get my 30 humanity for the Chaos Covenant really easy this way. The NPCs in Firelink alone will give you over 30.
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Thundercracker posted:Huh, one thing I never realized is that using the Dark Hand soul sucking ability doesn't actual agro NPCs. Managed to get my 30 humanity for the Chaos Covenant really easy this way. The NPCs in Firelink alone will give you over 30. I just discovered this in my current playthrough as well. If you finish Rhea's story so she ends up in the Undead Parish she gives you 12! 
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cat doter posted:Drunk Souls goes 2 ways. 1: You play unbelievably well and can't replicate the experience sober and 2: you die to a hollow soldier 6 times in a row. This is very true. On my first playthrough I died maybe...8 times trying to kill O+S solo. I woke up, still a little bit drunk, and beat them handily on my first attempt. I should also add that on my way to Manus I died to trying to firestorm that giant pack of humanity like 3 times in a row 
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I love the "the only ethical unfair fight is MY unfair fight" argument going down in all thks. I just don't get it - dark beading dickwraiths is no better than dickwraithing itself. Which is to say, both are fine. The game's pvp is intentionally assymetrical and non-consensual. It's not always supposed to be fun for both parties. If I'm dickwraithing and there's someone fishing for dickwraiths, big whoop. I'm gonna run at him with my reinforced club, try to bash his friggin head in, and do a little dance if I win. If I lose, then once more unto the breach, dear friends! (Sidenote: Tallgeese, you should try fishing for Dickwraiths as a Skelebro. From what I've heard, skelebros who are actively making GBS threads up other worlds get bumped to the top of the invasion priority. Skelebro + Dried Finger = rolling in dickwraiths)
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Angrymog posted:I don't always gank newbies, but when I do, I diguise as a barrel and follow them half-way through the Parish before setting up the backstab. Hooooly poo poo! I didn't know you could do that. Best spell. Also, i got the Black Knight Sword on the first kill, maxed it out, and I still can't kill the Capra or the Bell Gargoyles. Moonlight Butterfly went down in 3 or 4 swings, though. e: I've only played like 12 hours. Big noob.
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Great Horny Toads! posted:Hooooly poo poo! I didn't know you could do that. Best spell. Also, i got the Black Knight Sword on the first kill, maxed it out, and I still can't kill the Capra or the Bell Gargoyles. Moonlight Butterfly went down in 3 or 4 swings, though. Chameleon is probably my favorite spell in the game. There's a video floating around of this guy and his two friendly phantoms in Undead Parish, who used chameleon to turn pvp into a shellgame for this invader. (Anyone got a link to it? I just looked and couldn't find it) You can do all sorts of fun poo poo with that spell, the Dragonslayer Greatbow, and Force/Emit Force
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Shab posted:I just discovered this in my current playthrough as well. If you finish Rhea's story so she ends up in the Undead Parish she gives you 12! I got 12 from her without finish her story right at firelink. I think the humanity stored for drops vs stored for Dark Handing is different? Anyway, pretty funny her guards just staring at me while I ravage her for humanity twelve times.
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Died to Super Ornstein who was down to 1/4 health on my fifth try. I feel a strange mixture of happiness and frustration at that. edit: I know this is all probably passe to you guys but it's real to me, dammit
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I still haven't beaten super Ornstein. First time through, I killed him first because he was being a zippy rear end in a top hat and I could engage him without engaging Smough. Second time, I tried to beat Super Ornstein, but after a couple deaths I said gently caress it, because it was so much harder to get Smough down without taking a lot of damage from Ornstein while I did it, and then he kept nailing me pretty well with his lightning poo poo. God knows what I'll do when I need the Leo ring.
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I don't have so much problem with low-level dickwraiths (I mostly see people with strange and novel builds though) but the rampant hacking is bringing me down. Then again the leveling system in DS allows such a range of weird poo poo that a strange variation of Clarke's Third Law applies: A suitably advanced sperglord is indistinguishable from a hacker
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I just discovered that doing PvP as a pure sorcerer is impacted a LOT less by latency and as such is more fun. Although, oddly enough I only lost two of the 15 or so invasions I just pulled and they were all to teleporting backstabs or the game not registering my shield was raised I probably would have lost in both situations though, I had to close the distance because I was nearly out of spell casts. It's also hilarious killing people with a single Crystal Soul Spear.
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Thundercracker posted:Huh, one thing I never realized is that using the Dark Hand soul sucking ability doesn't actual agro NPCs. Managed to get my 30 humanity for the Chaos Covenant really easy this way. The NPCs in Firelink alone will give you over 30.
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fennesz posted:I just discovered that doing PvP as a pure sorcerer is impacted a LOT less by latency and as such is more fun. Although, oddly enough I only lost two of the 15 or so invasions I just pulled and they were all to teleporting backstabs or the game not registering my shield was raised It's less affected by latency on your end; you actually benefit from it. God help the man who has to fight a laggy sorcerer.
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Man, all these jerks doing invasions makes me play hollow most of the time, I go human when I think it'll be beneficial but it's only because I've read and seen so much supplemental stuff about the game to know when it'd be opportune, but it's super annoying to have gankers jump in my game all the time just because they seem to think it's fun. I'm primarily playing a single player game, but sometimes you just get obliterated by some jerkwad that's way way overpowered. It makes me want to run a trainer in the background just so I can activate god mode and stand there until they get bored and quit. I like how so many people try to justify being assholes by saying it's built into the game, yeah that's great, but really, this game is HARSH to a new player, it sure as hell was for me, and when I was initially playing I was having issues with NPC invaders, never mind humans that had half a brain. The challenge and fun of this game is me exploring and discovering things, getting cool items and just taking it all in. I think if pvpers as 'just another mob' that I may die to, but well, that gets really really tiring after a while. I detest pvp in most games tho, so this is not surprising. My kingdom for a gimmick/funny invader. Edit: vvv I've been in situations before where I had to resort to summoning another player to help me out, so I tend to not run in offline mode. Bats fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 19, 2012 |
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I never got invaded until I hit Anor Londo, and I've only been invaded three times. Two of them were rather ordinary and I beat them pretty handily (no, this isn't counting NPC invasions), even though it was my first run through the game, the other was rolling around infinitely and was impossible to hit.
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I would love PvP if it wasn't so laggy so often. Also, miracles and sorcery are just so much better than melee, which can make fights more boring than they'd be otherwise.
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tractor fanatic posted:It's less affected by latency on your end; you actually benefit from it. God help the man who has to fight a laggy sorcerer. I've been oneshotted or backstabbed through my shield so many goddamn times. I am completely alright with this 
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Dickweasel Alpha posted:e: Post a lot of trip reports. A bunch of them. The best part of this thread is hearing about newbies and their first impressions/experiences From a few pages back, but I'll keep that in mind as well! I started to feel a bit smug after I took out the Gargoyles on top of the Parish in one go (with Solaire's help, naturally). Of course hubris got the best of me when I went down to the Lower Undead Burg and got my poo poo wrecked by the first group of Undead Assassins and lost most of the souls I just got. Confidence is going to get me killed.
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PunkBoy posted:From a few pages back, but I'll keep that in mind as well! I started to feel a bit smug after I took out the Gargoyles on top of the Parish in one go (with Solaire's help, naturally). Of course hubris got the best of me when I went down to the Lower Undead Burg and got my poo poo wrecked by the first group of Undead Assassins and lost most of the souls I just got. Confidence is going to get me killed. This reminds me of a good story I forgot to tell. I'm spoiling all relevant monsters because honestly figuring out the dangers each monster presents has been like 90% of the enjoyment of this game for me. I've made it a habit to kindle every bonfire the moment I find it for the extra estus charges. In the Depths, I kindled the bonfire, naturally leaving me human. I saw a summon sign on the ground and decided to go for it, so a phantom bro and I ended up clearing out most of the area. He had a habit of charging ahead of me which eventually lead to his defeat, but it made my life easier since I had fewer monsters to fight. Later, as I was working on beating the Gaping Dragon, I realized I had to figure out how to get to the channeler to make the fight easier. I went back down to the lower level of the Depths to see if there was an elevator up or anything. After all, there hadn't been anything dangerous down there when I went with my phantom bro. Yeaaaaah turns out he had cleared out every basilisk down there before I got down there. Needless to say, I died. And worse.
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