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Honestly the Coast To Coast AM membership is an awesome investment, you get to hear all the crazies in one place. I'll be honest though, the first time I heard Alex Jones, it was pretty far removed from the way he is now. Some years ago during my dumpster diving days, I found a CDR labled C2C 04/04-05/04. Not really knowing what it was I popped it in to find that it was a bunch of old Coast 2 Coasts. One of them has Alex Jones talking about the Bohemian Grove. The thing is, he's pretty calm in that episode and acts like one of George Noory's typical guests, just talking about whatever the conspiracy theory is on it. These days he's a raving lunatic. EDIT: I have a friend who posted some Alex Jones on her facebook, pleading that everyone listen to it. Just reading the caption, I guess he's going off about how Obama ordered the Sandy Hook shooting as a conspiracy to take away our guns. She used to be pretty sane before she won a settlement and became a hippie in Hawaii. Iron Crowned fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Dec 23, 2012 |
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Iron Crowned posted:Honestly the Coast To Coast AM membership is an awesome investment, you get to hear all the crazies in one place. I'll be honest though, the first time I heard Alex Jones, it was pretty far removed from the way he is now. Yeah that's the thing about Jones. Before 9/11 he was crazy, but more "they're up to something and I'm gonna find out!". Before I mentioned Jon Ronson, who hung out with David Icke for his documentary film. Well in the same series he also went along with Alex Jones on one of his outings to Bohemian Grove. http://youtu.be/3msFa037Wqo This was before 9/11 (original air date for this episode was 20 May 2001). After 9/11 Jones hit the big time and started making bank when there was a surge of idiots thinking the terrorist attacks were an inside job and what not. He really started ramping up the crazy, attaching himself to the Ron Paul personality cult and becoming a fixture within the Truther movement.
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...  So I figured out that iTunes has an internet radio streaming feature (what, like I looked around past the music and video players), and Alex Jones is one of the options. I... What the gently caress, man? There's no way he actually believes this. I came in right as he was raving about "race politics" and how MSNBC is a "reverse Klan," then shifted towards Obama appointing some committee that said it's ok for Obama to take all the guns and how he'll just tell everyone to bring in their guns. What the Hell, man?  Edit: Oh my God, that's amazing. "As soon as white people stopped being the majority, they decided that it's racist to not want socialism or communism." "They created an illusion that you want healthcare, that you want Barack Obama." And now he's doing some kind of creepy extended analogy where he and his group are Beowulf and the "globalists" are Grendel and how he's gonna pull their arm out of their socket and beat them to death with it. 
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Dec 24, 2012 05:40
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I've always gotten a super racist vibe from Jones. Especially when talking about Obama or welfare. I'm not a regular listener though, I can't stand the way he is so open in his misanthropic paranoia. I actually know somebody who I'm pretty sure is a fan of Jones and they're what you'd expect. Everything is a conspiracy, did you know the moon landing was fake, but they know the truth also Asians are coming to get us. This is a theoretical nuclear physicist working on the US government dime ffs. I forgot taxes are theft. SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Dec 24, 2012 |
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Lightning Knight posted:... It's amazing how hard he blows the dogwhistle sometimes. I remember back in 2010 when Machete came out and Jones was ranting about how all Mexicans will become blood-crazed fiends after watching it and attack white people en masse. To his credit, he's drawn the line on holocaust denial in the past, which resulted in getting into a huge feud with this one other famous conspiracy talk show host (his name eludes me) who condemned Jones for not harping on ZOG enough.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:It's amazing how hard he blows the dogwhistle sometimes. I remember back in 2010 when Machete came out and Jones was ranting about how all Mexicans will become blood-crazed fiends after watching it and attack white people en masse. He comes from the crowd that was inflamed by Waco. He's kind of like Timothy McVeigh without the sangfroid or capacity for reflection.
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Dec 24, 2012 06:37
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SedanChair posted:He comes from the crowd that was inflamed by Waco. He's kind of like Timothy McVeigh without the sangfroid or capacity for reflection. Jones lacks the courage of his convictions.
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Dec 24, 2012 07:24
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As Stewart Lee would put it, Jones is a cowardly man trapped between two different forms of cowardice.
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The true crazies don't like Alex Jones because he's too popular and won't speak out against Jews, so he's clearly a CIA agent. I don't know who these people listen to. I lived in Austin for several years so I liked putting on whatever station that broadcast his show just for the sheer entertainment value. Now that I'm in South Florida I get the Stormfront show on some random AM station. It's not quite as funny.
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I used to listen to Jones when he first started out when I was at UT in the early 1990s and he used to lead in his show, which he hosted with a guy named Jeff Davis, by playing the Imperial March from Star Wars and ranting about Bill Clinton and the LEGION OF DOOM (I can still hear it) taking over our national parks via the UN and whatever. People think everything's about race with Obama and it's simply not, even though it plays a part. Alex Jones was a loving nutter right-wing lunatic survivalist type under Bill Clinton ranting about basically the same things and he's a nutter now under Barack Obama and the only thing that changed is that he's gotten more aggressive and better at his shtick in the last 20 years. The guy earlier who said he as inflamed by Waco is closest to the mark, though when his act fell out of favor between Oklahoma City and 9/11, Jones spent years on Austin Public Access going around measuring the grass in public parks and poo poo to file complaints against the city, so what you really have to understand about Alex Jones is that like Glenn Beck he will say anything to gain followers and make money. It's not so ideologically complex. Sometimes an rear end in a top hat is just an rear end in a top hat.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Beck and Jones essentially regard one another as tools of FEMA/ZOG whose purpose it is to take the piss out of conspiracy theorists? (Or perhaps they just regard one another as competitors for the same nuthouse)
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Beck and Jones essentially regard one another as tools of FEMA/ZOG whose purpose it is to take the piss out of conspiracy theorists? (Or perhaps they just regard one another as competitors for the same nuthouse) They all do that. That Rancini guy or whoever from a few pages ago accussed another conspiracy theorist of being some Rockafeller person because they disagree on some things. The other guy fired back that Rancini was a CIA plant. Think about it, what other possible reason could a person have for disagreeing. I can't think of anything but ZOG.
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Oh hello there foxnews;http://nation.foxnews.com/connecticut-elementary-school-shooting/2012/12/20/bikers-turn-out-protect-newtown-mourners-westboro-baptist-church posted:Bikers Turn Out to Protect Newtown Mourners from Left-Wing Westboro Cult Those westboro baptists are such crazy crazy democrats. You know you're in deep with the GOP when even fox news is casually brushing you aside; thank god we had all those rightfully conservative bikers to protect us from their evil leftist message. 
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In what loving world would one have to live to believe that the WBC is left-wing? ...Fox Nation, I guess. 
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the2ndgenesis posted:In what loving world would one have to live to believe that the WBC is left-wing? A combination of being unable to separate Fred and his clan being Democrats from what they actually say and do, and having drilled in their head that "LEFT WING = ALL BAD THINGS" basically, it's not uncommon.
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In the sixties Fred Phelps litigated civil rights cases because it was the most trollish thing to do. I guess Freepers have long memories.
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the2ndgenesis posted:In what loving world would one have to live to believe that the WBC is left-wing? The math is pretty simple. WBC = Protesters, Protesters = Left Wing. But they protest gay people, whom left wingers love, you say? Ah, but they also protest soldiers. Soldiers = Right Wing. And they're protesting children, who are also owned by real, conservative Americans (because married women vote Republican, as we all know, not like those single sluts who vote Democrat). So protesting being an inherently left wing thing, (except when it's not) And then you have them protesting 2 right wing things, and only 1 left wing thing, makes them decidedly left wing.
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the2ndgenesis posted:In what loving world would one have to live to believe that the WBC is left-wing? The Phelps family is a bunch of hot shot lawyers who made a name for themselves being pro civil rights. At some point they realized that trolling people with their current shtick and then launching lawsuits at them was an easier pay off than actually practicing law... hence what we all think of them now.
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SilentD posted:The Phelps family is a bunch of hot shot lawyers who made a name for themselves being pro civil rights. At some point they realized that trolling people with their current shtick and then launching lawsuits at them was an easier pay off than actually practicing law... hence what we all think of them now. Fred Phelps was disbarred of course. quote:A formal complaint was filed against Phelps on November 8, 1977, by the Kansas State Board of Law Examiners for his conduct during a lawsuit against a court reporter named Carolene Brady. Brady had failed to have a court transcript ready for Phelps on the day he asked for it; though it did not affect the outcome of the case for which Phelps had requested the transcript, Phelps still requested $22,000 in damages from her.[14][15] In the ensuing trial, Phelps called Brady to the stand, declared her a hostile witness, and then cross-examined her for nearly a week, during which he accused her of being a "slut", tried to introduce testimony from former boyfriends whom Phelps wanted to subpoena, and accused her of a variety of perverse sexual acts, ultimately reducing her to tears on the stand.[14][15] Phelps lost the case; according to the Kansas Supreme Court: Fred Phelps is a man who loves to hurt other people - and now he has brainwashed his family members to do the same to others. But yeah - his hatemongering is essentially a racket. They get people to assault them or try to bar them from staging their idiotic demonstrations and then sue them and the local officials or whatever. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Dec 25, 2012 |
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Beck and Jones essentially regard one another as tools of FEMA/ZOG whose purpose it is to take the piss out of conspiracy theorists? (Or perhaps they just regard one another as competitors for the same nuthouse) Some of the more anti-Semitic and racist conspiracy assholes believe that Alex Jones is a Zionist because he's wife is Jewish (and under Jewish religious law that means that his two daughters are Jewish) and he believes that the Holocaust happened.
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Spacedad posted:Fred Phelps was disbarred of course. I'm aware, but law and trolling suckers if the family business there. There's actually a great interview where what's his face (guy who did Red State) is talking about his new movie, Red State, and the Phelps reaction to it. He ended up realizing the whole thing was bullshit and that they were having a blast trolling each other, they even gave him a signed poster with all members of their clan saying he was going to hell. Turns out sometime when they aren't "on camera" they're perfectly normal and pleasant people to be around.
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SilentD posted:I'm aware, but law and trolling suckers if the family business there. There's actually a great interview where what's his face (guy who did Red State) is talking about his new movie, Red State, and the Phelps reaction to it. He ended up realizing the whole thing was bullshit and that they were having a blast trolling each other, they even gave him a signed poster with all members of their clan saying he was going to hell. This isn't true. There's been other documentaries made about that family. 2 are by documentarian Louis Theroux who shadows them in their daily lives. Fred Phelps is an incredibly hateful paranoid rear end in a top hat that has passed every bit of that on to Shirley Phelps Roeper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Hated_Family_in_America I do think they probably try to entrap people into attacking them, but I don't believe it's quite as cynical as you're painting it out to be. These people are, in fact, true believers of a lot of their own bullshit. They are also old-school racist Democrats that never bothered to switch parties like all other normal people. ErIog fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Dec 25, 2012 |
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SilentD posted:Turns out sometime when they aren't "on camera" they're perfectly normal and pleasant people to be around. Somehow I highly doubt that. One doesn't accept that kind if persona and still be a "perfectly normal" person. Sacrilage fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Dec 25, 2012 |
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The first guy who went to make a documentary on them was actually converted, and he's one of the worst ones.
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lil mortimer posted:The true crazies don't like Alex Jones because he's too popular and won't speak out against Jews, so he's clearly a CIA agent. I don't know who these people listen to. I lived in Austin for several years so I liked putting on whatever station that broadcast his show just for the sheer entertainment value. Now that I'm in South Florida I get the Stormfront show on some random AM station. It's not quite as funny. As a miamian, what station has this stormfront show?
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Beck and Jones essentially regard one another as tools of FEMA/ZOG whose purpose it is to take the piss out of conspiracy theorists? (Or perhaps they just regard one another as competitors for the same nuthouse) The funny thing is that judging by the links between Jones and RT (the whole Syrian rebel/terrorist narrative conflict) he's getting funding from Russia. Beck is a tool for local oligarchs and fanatics, Jones is a tool for Russian foreign policy. They're both right.
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timefly posted:The first guy who went to make a documentary on them was actually converted, and he's one of the worst ones. Steve Drain. Somehow got his wife to convert too.
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katlington posted:Steve Drain. Somehow got his wife to convert too. The strength on unified belief and unquestioning devotion to a cause. It is a powerful drug for the weak minded, since it relieves people of the responsibility to think for themselves. I would compare it to soldiers going to war; simpler, by far, to accept the propaganda than face doubts lurking in your mind.
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ErIog posted:This isn't true. There's been other documentaries made about that family. 2 are by documentarian Louis Theroux who shadows them in their daily lives. Fred Phelps is an incredibly hateful paranoid rear end in a top hat that has passed every bit of that on to Shirley Phelps Roeper. Kevin Smith (guy who did Red State now that I looked it up) seems to disagree then. Though he mostly dealt with the wife and daughter from what I can remember. But from what he said once he got to know them all the "you're going to hell" stuff was mostly tounge in cheek and they obviously knew it was a gig. Heck the wiki article you linked to states that the film maker found most of the family to be rather nice people in person.
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Gozinbulx posted:As a miamian, what station has this stormfront show? 1340 AM from 9 to 10 AM during the week. I'm in Palm Beach County, though, and the show broadcasts from Lake Worth. I don't know if you guys get it. http://www.wpbr1340am.com/ It's this quote:09:00 - 10:00аm Pretty funny sandwiched between all those other shows. Found a link: http://wpbriradio.com/cm/blogs/derek-black
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Not really related to right-wing media except as far as the mindset that they bore into peoples' heads is prevalent on every level of thought, but I was reading a message board for Borderlands 2 earlier and somebody was complaining about how the game had clear liberal bias by having a male character that mentions his past male lovers in some dialogues. It's like a liberal saying the game has a conservative bias because it's all about collecting guns and overthrowing a ruling despot. Absolutely insane.ReindeerF posted:I used to listen to Jones when he first started out when I was at UT in the early 1990s and he used to lead in his show, which he hosted with a guy named Jeff Davis, by playing the Imperial March from Star Wars and ranting about Bill Clinton and the LEGION OF DOOM (I can still hear it) taking over our national parks via the UN and whatever. People think everything's about race with Obama and it's simply not, even though it plays a part. Alex Jones was a loving nutter right-wing lunatic survivalist type under Bill Clinton ranting about basically the same things and he's a nutter now under Barack Obama and the only thing that changed is that he's gotten more aggressive and better at his shtick in the last 20 years. Dude was also vehemently against George W. Bush too. I think it's more anti the "elite" than "the Republican party is too liberal and soft" though. On the other hand, he has been making GBS threads his pants about Boehner being a liberal, so who knows. I think part of it is an act but I also think part of it is that he is genuinely mentally ill. He talks about pedophiles way, way too much. Every group he hates seems to conveniently be rife with pedophiles.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Not really related to right-wing media except as far as the mindset that they bore into peoples' heads is prevalent on every level of thought, but I was reading a message board for Borderlands 2 earlier and somebody was complaining about how the game had clear liberal bias by having a male character that mentions his past male lovers in some dialogues. It's like a liberal saying the game has a conservative bias because it's all about collecting guns and overthrowing a ruling despot. Absolutely insane. I'd so love if you were just trolling.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Not really related to right-wing media except as far as the mindset that they bore into peoples' heads is prevalent on every level of thought, but I was reading a message board for Borderlands 2 earlier and somebody was complaining about how the game had clear liberal bias by having a male character that mentions his past male lovers in some dialogues. I like how he latches on to one single ECHO recording in the entire game, while ignoring Moxxi's omnipresent bisexuality. It's OK for girls to be gay, as long as they're hot. It's similiar to Mass Effect, femshep could gently caress another girl since ME1, and you didn't hear a peep until male shep could nail a guy in ME3. Goatman Sacks fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Dec 26, 2012 |
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Dude was also vehemently against George W. Bush too. I think it's more anti the "elite" than "the Republican party is too liberal and soft" though. On the other hand, he has been making GBS threads his pants about Boehner being a liberal, so who knows. I think part of it is an act but I also think part of it is that he is genuinely mentally ill. He talks about pedophiles way, way too much. Every group he hates seems to conveniently be rife with pedophiles. On a separate note, Yasha Levine just posted this, which is a good breakdown of a right wing smear with email evidence [early summary excerpted below]: https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/anatomy-of-a-right-wing-smear quote:...Have you ever wondered how these right-wing media stunts get started? The more cynical amongst us have long assumed that they're planned in advance, and that people like dickless Crowder are just trained monkeys acting on orders from on high. But who comes up with the ideas? Who generates these things? Who funds them? And what do the brainstorming sessions look like?
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I see that there. posted:I'd so love if you were just trolling. Hey me too! On a similar note that I just remembered, I was reading some people discussing The Wire a couple of weeks ago, and several people were complaining how they couldn't get into it because it had a "clear liberal agenda." I wish I was making this poo poo up. Like at least half of The Wire is about how good cops can't bring The Bad Guys to justice because of corrupt politicians and a criminal defense attorney that is barely developed at all beyond "Jew lawyer." I would say The Wire's greater point is that the entire system is horribly broken and the weakest members fall through the cracks because there is no money in making anything better, and it really doesn't make any effort to suggest a solution or demonize anyone for anything but profiting off of the blatant exploitation of others, which in a perfect world would be considered objectively morally wrong. The idea that acknowledging these problems in a direct and realistic way as somehow being ideologically biased is disgusting. ReindeerF posted:On a separate note, Yasha Levine just posted this, which is a good breakdown of a right wing smear with email evidence [early summary excerpted below]: Not really surprising at all. I'd say it's nice to see evidence finally but the only people that this might affect in a positive way will just ignore it anyway.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Not really surprising at all. I'd say it's nice to see evidence finally but the only people that this might affect in a positive way will just ignore it anyway.
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The best response to the Phelps family is to show them a little love. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cN2pB3MCE
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It's amazing, I just realized that as near as I can tell, my hometown (in Virginia) has no right wing radio. Maybe there's an AM channel I'm not aware of, but back where I live in Tennessee, there're two wingnut talk radio stations. It's weird to not have that here. Kind of a relief, as well. SilentD posted:Heck the wiki article you linked to states that the film maker found most of the family to be rather nice people in person. Not to put too fine a point on it here, but there's no way the Phelps come out as "nice people" either way. Either they believe all that stuff and they're world class bigots and assholes... ...or they're just trolling, in which case these people go to funerals where people are in emotional pain and, one what is one of the worst days of their lives, they do everything they can to be as offensive as possible. I'm sorry, but the Phelps are human trash regardless of whether they buy into what they're selling or not.
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It's entirely possible the gentleman from Red State is simply completely horrible himself. I'm friends, distantly, with someone who lives in Topeka, and has been dealing with the clan since they were knee high. They're not nice people to their neighbors. They're not nice people around town. Fred Phelps beats his children, according to court testimony. So, clearly, this is either exceptional company manners, or some definition of 'nice people' which which I was completely unfamiliar. I will say that Shirley does decent company manners when she's talking to Howard Stern, explaining politely how he's a horrible person, etc.
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I learned today that missouris house majority leader has a part time gig filling in on the fox news radio morning show when the main guy is on vacation. Fair and balanced!
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