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bunnyofdoom posted:What if it's more than one primach. Roboute wakes up and Ultramar sucedes from the Imperium. Lion and Leman returns from the warp. Mutual distrust of each other causes them to declare war on each other. The Salamanders retrieve all the Artifacts. Corax returns having perfected the cloning poo poo but gone insane. The Khan returns, cuts off Abaddon's topknot declaring "There can be only one!" then disappears back into the warp.
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It's probably something unexciting like writing the first book about the siege of terra (1st out of 20 books!).
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Lyer posted:It's probably something unexciting like writing the first book about the siege of terra (1st out of 20 books!).
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berzerkmonkey posted:Wait. You put "the Siege of Terra" and "unexciting" in the same sentence? Whaaa? That would be a pretty unexciting announcement.
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Dec 27, 2012 19:13
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Dead Men Walking by Steve Lyons is about the Death Korps, but it's not supposed to be that good. There's also that short story from Chapter Approved 2003 which completely owns. The real fun of the book is the Commissar who feels like he's wasting his time being assigned to these killjoys and the random hab dude who is followed around a bit. lenoon posted:Finally! An exodite list!
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Alchenar posted:Also we already know how the Siege of Terra goes. Yeah - and we knew how the Horus Heresy went too, but look at us now. VV Ah, gotcha. VV berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Dec 27, 2012 |
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berzerkmonkey posted:Wait. You put "the Siege of Terra" and "unexciting" in the same sentence? Whaaa? Don't get me wrong, it'll definitely be cool and good if he's handling it as opposed to some of the other mediocre writers. It's just that the super secret project isn't all that super secret and exciting when we know it's going to happen.
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I think Andy Chambers or Warwick Kinrade wanted to do the primary returning thing after the eye of terror and was quietly pushed out of the writing team as a consequence, there's an interview about it somewhere. I mean it was heavily implied that russ is still alive and is coordinating the 13th company from the warp - well, what could kill russ anyway?
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Now I'm worried that Abnett's super-secret thing is going to move the plot. I used to think that I wanted resolution on the Emperor (lo, these few months ago when I was but a wee 40k newb), but I think I've gotten over that. Grimdark forever.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Codex: Administratum That would probably be workable, actually. The Imperium takes its bureaucracy very seriously.
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mdemone posted:Now I'm worried that Abnett's super-secret thing is going to move the plot. I used to think that I wanted resolution on the Emperor (lo, these few months ago when I was but a wee 40k newb), but I think I've gotten over that. Grimdark forever. Look at it like this: if the Emperor dies, the Imperium will crumble. There will be no story, no game. If he ascends to become the Star Child (or whatever) he will beat the everloving crap out of the major Chaos gods and the story essentially ends. Everything does not require a resolution - this isn't a book or movie. It's an ongoing story.
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I think the problem some have is that it is not ongoing, it's stalled.
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As I said, there's no reason not to move the game forward to a perpetual 'endgame' state. You can have a setting where everyone is spending a thousand years moving (comparatively) rapidly towards whatever their race's endgame plan with considerably more space for stories than having the setting perpetually one year off the turn of the millennium.
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Arbite posted:I think the problem some have is that it is not ongoing, it's stalled. Alchenar posted:As I said, there's no reason not to move the game forward to a perpetual 'endgame' state. You can have a setting where everyone is spending a thousand years moving (comparatively) rapidly towards whatever their race's endgame plan with considerably more space for stories than having the setting perpetually one year off the turn of the millennium.
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Ultramar secedes, tau advance, tyranids strike into segmentum solar, necrons wake up, eldar go from dying to nearly dead, orks waagh far beyond Armageddon, chaos burst out of the eye of terror like a tsunami. The endgame gets more apocolyptic, the universe gets grimdarker, everyone gets hosed over by everyone else. That's a more exciting fluff situation than the current one of imperium beset by aliens, still basically winning.
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I think it might be something to do with finally revealing WTF is going on with the Alpha legion, and possibly setting them up as an independent faction thats neither on the side of Chaos or the Emperium. The Space Marine fan-base is loving obsessed with them and Abnett has already teased bringing them into his series of fluff with Pariah. My real wish though is for them to advance the setting already. Possibly by having the Emperium losing a lot of ground and having the other factions move into the core human worlds. Mr.48 fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Dec 27, 2012 |
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lenoon posted:I think Andy Chambers or Warwick Kinrade wanted to do the primary returning thing after the eye of terror and was quietly pushed out of the writing team as a consequence, there's an interview about it somewhere. Where was that implied? Besides, he's probably already been eaten by something.
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Mr.48 posted:I think it might be something to do with finally revealing WTF is going on with the Alpha legion, and possibly setting them up as an independent faction thats neither on the side of Chaos or the Emperium. The Space Marine fan-base is loving obsessed with them and Abnett has already teased bringing them into his series of fluff with Pariah. There's no "core human worlds"; the heart of the Imperium is the Solar System, and space around it is relatively more heavily defended as part of the larger defense network of Terra as well as being easier to navigate due to proximity to the Astronomican, but the Imperium is stretched thinly across the galaxy and you can find clusters of well defended, densely populated worlds with close ties with each other far from Segmentum Solar (ie Ultramar) whereas in constellations closer to Sol you'll still find backwater shitholes or alien empires in a relative state of containment whenever they aren't actively warring with neighboring imperial holdings. Kinetica posted:Where was that implied? Magnus in Battle for the Fang is implied to know what's up with Russ and considers him out of the picture. This is circa M32, I believe. Russ, much like Corax and Khan, are lost in the warp or dead, which is a rather hard line to draw considering. Still holding hope they'll sometime hint that the Dark Eldar have Khan and have been torturing him for the past several thousand years, but alas it never happpens. Nephilm fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Dec 28, 2012 |
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berzerkmonkey posted:Look at it like this: if the Emperor dies, the Imperium will crumble. There will be no story, no game. If he ascends to become the Star Child (or whatever) he will beat the everloving crap out of the major Chaos gods and the story essentially ends. And with that, you've put into words the way I have come to feel about the overall feeling of chaotic stasis in the universe. Early in my reading of 40k fiction, I wanted the plot to advance, because I hadn't fully appreciated the BL as that type of art that doesn't need to interpret itself or progress internally in order to successfully move the audience. I understand now that this general stasis is not only the central engine of 40k's factions and motives, but also the state that makes it possible for a BL piece to have lasting impact on more than one generation of readers. In one sense, I think this is a serious failing of the HH series; while it's obviously nice to read a quality treatment of the battles we'd previously only been able to imagine, by definition it begins to erode some of the mystery and fuzziness and multiple-perspective on the past that gives the mythology a lot of its internal power. Similarly I think exploring the 42nd millennium would steal some thunder from both the HH setting and the 40k setting. I'd like to see HH get wrapped up fairly soon, lest it become even more crowded than 40k (since the timespan is so much narrower for HH). Edit: I guess I could get behind a plot movement that ends up with roughly the same state of tension, if it were managed carefully and didn't give anybody too much power at the expense of everyone else. That could potentially be acceptably interesting. mdemone fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Dec 28, 2012 |
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Maybe... maybe Dan figured out how to write proper Orky.  Edit: Or a book about the Newcrons, which I happen to like. I want to know more about the crazy one who still thinks he's a Necrontyr. VanSandman fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Dec 28, 2012 |
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Nephilm posted:Still holding hope they'll sometime hint that the Dark Eldar have Khan and have been torturing him for the past several thousand years, but alas it never happpens.
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Codex: Void Whale I hope what it actually is is something like the World of Darkness did with it's endtimes books. Here's a bunch of different scenarios and rules for those scenarios. None of these end the universe, but they all change things drastically. A new ruleset that is well balanced and allows for things like Necrons and the Tau allying to beat back the Nids. Mostly because I think that would allow for some really good
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Dorn is actually alive somehow and is secretly Asdrubael Vect.
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Alchenar posted:As I said, there's no reason not to move the game forward to a perpetual 'endgame' state. You can have a setting where everyone is spending a thousand years moving (comparatively) rapidly towards whatever their race's endgame plan with considerably more space for stories than having the setting perpetually one year off the turn of the millennium. There have actually been a couple of interviews about this topic over the years since there have been a couple of attempts to move the story forward. The main argument they had was that GW is primarily about selling toy soldiers and the 'setting' where you can play with those soldiers. The story you want is supposed to be entirely up to you, as the player, to decide through the tabletop games since everything that happens on the tabletop is suppose to be 'canon'. Even the community driven stories such as the international campaigns are either retconned or been left alone. There use to be a number of references to each race having an 'endgame' scenario/back up plan but I'm not sure if that's just been completely dropped. mdemone posted:Edit: I guess I could get behind a plot movement that ends up with roughly the same state of tension, if it were managed carefully and didn't give anybody too much power at the expense of everyone else. That could potentially be acceptably interesting. Privateer Press do this really well but I'm not sure you could apply the same strategy to GW given that so many people play for the Imperium. Every time Warmachine or Hordes releases another book (or short story through No Quarter), each faction shuffles forwards and takes a number of wins and losses so they're still roughly even in power so most of the players are kind of happy. Corvus Belli do this really well too by telling a story about how all the factions are about to get screwed by a significantly larger faction. Characters can actually 'die' and more parts of the story are fleshed out or revealed with each release. It's clear that both companies will never have a 'ending' but their players are obviously still happy to play in an evolving setting and story.
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Kegslayer posted:There have actually been a couple of interviews about this topic over the years since there have been a couple of attempts to move the story forward. The main argument they had was that GW is primarily about selling toy soldiers and the 'setting' where you can play with those soldiers. The story you want is supposed to be entirely up to you, as the player, to decide through the tabletop games since everything that happens on the tabletop is suppose to be 'canon'. Even the community driven stories such as the international campaigns are either retconned or been left alone. There use to be a number of references to each race having an 'endgame' scenario/back up plan but I'm not sure if that's just been completely dropped. Pretty much every Edition of 40k I've seen has alternated between 'The Throne is failing, the Imperium is falling apart, all is lost' and 'Everything sucks, but the Imperium is pulling its poo poo together and recovering lost technology and is actually expanding a bit in some places'. The Universe is vast enough for you to have whatever story you want, that hasn't stopped them tinkering with the overarching theme.
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Alchenar posted:Pretty much every Edition of 40k I've seen has alternated between 'The Throne is failing, the Imperium is falling apart, all is lost' and 'Everything sucks, but the Imperium is pulling its poo poo together and recovering lost technology and is actually expanding a bit in some places'. I got the impression that the decision to keep the setting as is was made pretty high up by upper management. The different themes might have changed for different editions but it's incredibly rare for anything to happen past M41.999. The only exception to the rule is the Caiaphas Cain series in the Black Library and possibly one or two lines in a codex about the 13th Black Crusade. It'd be great if we could move the timeline forward but I don't know how that would end up considering that even Black Library has issues with continuity during the HH series.
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The Siege of Castellax isn't living up to its awesome back cover so far (about halfway done). It's readable, just not terribly engaging.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The Siege of Castellax isn't living up to its awesome back cover so far (about halfway done). It's readable, just not terribly engaging. On an unrelated note, I listened to the Advent short story Warmaster by John French today. It wasn't bad - a little short though, at just over nine-minutes. For those that want to save their $3, basically it's Horus sitting in his throne room, talking to "someone" about how the rebellion is falling down around him. The other Primarchs are out of control, and know that the whole thing is essentially doomed, so are just off on their own programs. He knows that Omegon is plotting against Alpharius (and implies that Alpharius is blind to the treachery) and wishes that the Primarchs arrayed against him were helping him, since he is current status as Warmaster makes him a "master of broken monsters." He vows to carry on though, because no matter how the galaxy burns, it must burn! And the "someone" in the room? Ferrus Mannus' polished skull... It was a nice bit of introspection from Horus - it makes me look forward to John French's new Ahriman book.
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berzerkmonkey posted:That's a bummer, because I like CL Werner's Fantasy stuff. I was hoping his foray into 40K would be good. Again, I'm only halfway done, it may very well pick up. I'll definitely post my impressions when I finish it.
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Oh man Pariah was craaaazy.Eisenhorn is into some hosed up poo poo! Traitor marines in his warband.. weird to think about. Also the whole name of the emperor thing is definitely an interesting plot point to start the series with Cant wait for the next book. Also, have any more details come out about the whole Dan Abnett NDA crazy game altering book thingy?
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spootime posted:Oh man Pariah was craaaazy.Eisenhorn is into some hosed up poo poo! Traitor marines in his warband.. weird to think about. Also the whole name of the emperor thing is definitely an interesting plot point to start the series with Why does the Emperors name give them power over him though? Is he really just a warp daemon?
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The name is important because it is like Slaanesh or Khorne or (Emperor). Enuncia isn't a language, it's the fundamental reality of the 40k setting expressed as a sound. Basically the birth cry of Slaanesh/the death of the eldar civilization? That sound, the physicality/reality of it is what brought Slaanesh into being. So if the Emperor has a sound/a word-phrase in Enuncia that expresses His totality, He can be made manifest, or at least that's what Eisenhorn appears to believe. I hope it's Bob. Who knows what the gently caress happens then though.
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Peztopiary posted:The name is important because it is like Slaanesh or Khorne or (Emperor). Enuncia isn't a language, it's the fundamental reality of the 40k setting expressed as a sound. Basically the birth cry of Slaanesh/the death of the eldar civilization? That sound, the physicality/reality of it is what brought Slaanesh into being. So if the Emperor has a sound/a word-phrase in Enuncia that expresses His totality, He can be made manifest, or at least that's what Eisenhorn appears to believe. I hope it's Bob. Cool, but I imagine the snag is that in order to restore him, it has to be pronounced in his presence.
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Demiurge4 posted:Cool, but I imagine the snag is that in order to restore him, it has to be pronounced in his presence. If the Bequin trilogy leads into this kind of Emperor-related stuff and ties to Abnett's secret project, that will kick enormous rear end.
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mdemone posted:If the Bequin trilogy leads into this kind of Emperor-related stuff and ties to Abnett's secret project, that will kick enormous rear end. eh, if anything it will tie in to ADB's Emperor focused HH book "The Master of Mankind" spootime posted:Also, have any more details come out about the whole Dan Abnett NDA crazy game altering book thingy? That's just me speculating based off experience with how other big IP publishers run their ship though. Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Dec 29, 2012 |
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mdemone posted:If the Bequin trilogy leads into this kind of Emperor-related stuff and ties to Abnett's secret project, that will kick enormous rear end. Yeah having Eisenhorn go to Terra to try and resurrect the Emperor of Mankind with Alpha Legion by his side and Ravenor following him with the might of the Imperium. It'll be interesting.
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Affi posted:Yeah having Eisenhorn go to Terra to try and resurrect the Emperor of Mankind with Alpha Legion by his side and Ravenor following him with the might of the Imperium. It'll be interesting. And then Cypher pops into the Throne Room mid-ritual and is all 'oh... I thought there would be no-one here... well this is awkward'
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