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schunoko
Apr 29, 2009

Devious Vacuum posted:


I actually own the Interview with the Vampire movie now, and I use it as a screening mechanism for best friends, because if I ask you "hey do you want to see Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt and ANTIONIO loving BANDERAS be gay as hell for two hours" and you answer "no" then we can't be friends anymore.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who owns it for this very reason.

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Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

schunoko posted:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who owns it for this very reason.

It's not a bad movie!

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
I find it hilarious how thoroughly Anne Rice fandom ended up embracing the movie after the initial shrieks of protest over Tom Cruise being cast as Lestat. I was pretty into those books at the time, too, and I remember lots of fangirl rage when that announcement was made. (My primary fictional crush was a completely different whiny gay man with supernatural powers, however - Vanyel Ashkevron from Mercedes Lackey's Last Herald-Mage books. I did not quite get to the point of believing he was real and married to me, but I certainly wished he were.)

Rahonavis
Jan 11, 2012

"Clevuh gurrrl..."

bringmyfishback posted:

3. I watched the VHS version of Interview with the Vampire when I was a young teen. She had a twenty-minute spiel at the beginning about how Lestat is both her avatar and her "dark lover."

Holy poo poo, I remember that! She apologized for flipping out over Tom Cruise playing Lestat and plugged Memnoch the Devil by saying, "Lestat IS my devil!" The only VHS disclaimer more bizarre and uncomfortable than this one is Cher (of all people) pleading "Don't act like the idiots in this movie" right before "Kids". I wonder if either of them survived to be on their respective films' DVDs?

DicktheCat
Feb 15, 2011

bringmyfishback posted:

It's not a bad movie!

It weirded me out when I found out my dad liked it. :drac: = Dad and :confused: = me.

:drac: "That movie is odd."
:confused: "I've not watched it, is it good?"
:drac: "It's good. Homoerotic though."
:confused: "...Sooo, um... You liked it?"
:drac: "Yeah, it's just really, really homoerotic, though. It's good though."
:confused: "Oh..Okay."

I learned that day that my dad is a much more open minded guy than I thought. So I guess that's good. Just... Odd to think about my military father watching a gay vampire movie.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

DicktheCat posted:

It weirded me out when I found out my dad liked it. :drac: = Dad and :confused: = me.

:drac: "That movie is odd."
:confused: "I've not watched it, is it good?"
:drac: "It's good. Homoerotic though."
:confused: "...Sooo, um... You liked it?"
:drac: "Yeah, it's just really, really homoerotic, though. It's good though."
:confused: "Oh..Okay."

I learned that day that my dad is a much more open minded guy than I thought. So I guess that's good. Just... Odd to think about my military father watching a gay vampire movie.

My dad likes it, too! I asked him if he thought it had gay undertones, but all he said was "Well...maybe? I dunno. I liked the parts where things were on fire." But my dad also really, legitimately enjoyed Pootie Tang.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006

I've never seen this movie because all I really remember about the trailers was that there's a six-year-old vampire who is actually hundreds of years old, or something, and that sets the stage for all sorts of creepy poo poo.

But apparently no one cares about her, it's all about gay dudes being super gay.

e: I just looked it up again omigod everyone looks even gayer than I remembered. Hahahahaha those fangs and that lipstick and that haaaair

M_Sinistrari
Sep 5, 2008

Do you like scary movies?



Corridor posted:

I've never seen this movie because all I really remember about the trailers was that there's a six-year-old vampire who is actually hundreds of years old, or something, and that sets the stage for all sorts of creepy poo poo.

But apparently no one cares about her, it's all about gay dudes being super gay.

e: I just looked it up again omigod everyone looks even gayer than I remembered. Hahahahaha those fangs and that lipstick and that haaaair

On the scale of creepy poo poo in Anne Rice's 'horror' books goes, I'd say the stuff from The Witching Hour with the Mayfair witches easily beats out anything with Claudia from the vampire books.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006

M_Sinistrari posted:

On the scale of creepy poo poo in Anne Rice's 'horror' books goes, I'd say the stuff from The Witching Hour with the Mayfair witches easily beats out anything with Claudia from the vampire books.

Oh my gently caress, yes. I read the first one and just... goddamn. So much incest. So very much incest.

And then that hilarious brain-surgeon supermodel Mary Sue. :allears:


e: I just remembered that she was actually the end product of all those centuries of unbroken inbreeding! I love how that was just skipped over. She should have been some chinless unibrow beast yelling HUMPERDOO and flinging poop at her super buff firefighter historian boyfriend.

Corridor fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Jan 4, 2013

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011

pookel posted:

I find it hilarious how thoroughly Anne Rice fandom ended up embracing the movie after the initial shrieks of protest over Tom Cruise being cast as Lestat. I was pretty into those books at the time, too, and I remember lots of fangirl rage when that announcement was made. (My primary fictional crush was a completely different whiny gay man with supernatural powers, however - Vanyel Ashkevron from Mercedes Lackey's Last Herald-Mage books. I did not quite get to the point of believing he was real and married to me, but I certainly wished he were.)

Lets not get into my weird obsession with the whole Mercedes Lackey universe. I may have had even worse journals about that than these Lestat ones. :stare:

M_Sinistrari
Sep 5, 2008

Do you like scary movies?



Corridor posted:

Oh my gently caress, yes. I read the first one and just... goddamn. So much incest. So very much incest.

And then that hilarious brain-surgeon supermodel Mary Sue. :allears:


e: I just remembered that she was actually the end product of all those centuries of unbroken inbreeding! I love how that was just skipped over. She should have been some chinless unibrow beast yelling HUMPERDOO and flinging poop at her super buff firefighter historian boyfriend.

And don't forget the I think she was 13yr old who ends up pregnant by the firefighter/historian boyfriend and the resulting baby does the speed grow thing because somehow it was some elder type species.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006

Stephanie Meyers' personal library is just everything that Anne Rice ever wrote.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

M_Sinistrari posted:

And don't forget the I think she was 13yr old who ends up pregnant by the firefighter/historian boyfriend and the resulting baby does the speed grow thing because somehow it was some elder type species.
I love/hate that Anne Rice somehow hit on BOTH types of paedophilia. 'She's only like three years old but it's okay, she grew up quick because of plot soap opera logic magic!' and 'body of a child, but it's okay, she's totally five thousand years old, really, honest'.

Horrible Smutbeast
Sep 2, 2011

Corridor posted:

Stephanie Meyers' personal library is just everything that Anne Rice ever wrote.

That and the entire Anita Blake series I bet *pukes* Which is surprising seeing as the first 2 books were decent until it went really weird where she becomes the leader of 5 different were-tribes, has like a billion boyfriends and every single villain is a dude trying to rape her.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Horrible Smutbeast posted:

That and the entire Anita Blake series I bet *pukes* Which is surprising seeing as the first 2 books were decent until it went really weird where she becomes the leader of 5 different were-tribes, has like a billion boyfriends and every single villain is a dude trying to rape her.
Not to mention she has to gently caress or else she explodes and takes out half the city or whatever the hell it was.

RazorBunny
May 23, 2007

Sometimes I feel like this.

M_Sinistrari posted:

On the scale of creepy poo poo in Anne Rice's 'horror' books goes, I'd say the stuff from The Witching Hour with the Mayfair witches easily beats out anything with Claudia from the vampire books.

Even outside the horror novels, her books are full of creepy poo poo. Cry to Heaven is literally the only book I have ever chosen to stop reading and throw away. Teenage eunuchs having sex with elderly bishops :gonk:

I'm not saying that sort of thing didn't actually happen in the days of the castrati, but I didn't need a different horrifying sex scene every three pages.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006

RazorBunny posted:

Even outside the horror novels, her books are full of creepy poo poo. Cry to Heaven is literally the only book I have ever chosen to stop reading and throw away. Teenage eunuchs having sex with elderly bishops :gonk:

I'm not saying that sort of thing didn't actually happen in the days of the castrati, but I didn't need a different horrifying sex scene every three pages.

Man, that almost makes me want to read it just to see how bad it can get.

Almost.

i am tim!
Jan 5, 2005

God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!

Runcible Cat posted:

Not to mention she has to gently caress or else she explodes and takes out half the city or whatever the hell it was.

Huh, just checked out the wiki article and the rabbit hole just keeps going deeper. There's a section titled "Books 16-21" that describes her as being mind-control forced to gently caress were-tigers every other sentence.

Also something about somebody getting exiled for NOT loving her? :psyduck:

Devious Vacuum
Oct 24, 2009

Girl Games!

My mom was pretty obsessed with the Anita Blake books for a while. She said she stopped reading about 10 books in, though, when the "sex stuff" started getting too weird. My mom also has that Sleeping Beauty Anne Rice porn novel on her shelf, and I asked her if she read it, and she said "no, not yet, I just bought it with a bunch of other used books." I told her not to ever read it because the internet told me it was about horsetail butt plugs, and she just looked at me.

Corridor posted:

But apparently no one cares about her, it's all about gay dudes being super gay.

Claudia, in my opinion, is actually a pretty great character. Not morally great, but just really interesting in a macabre sort of way. She becomes so evil, but it's exactly what Louis and Lestat deserved for creating her.

The weird thing about the female Anne Rice vampires is that there aren't many of them, but they're all kinda badass. The best female character is far and away Gabrielle, who is literally Lestat's mom. Lestat makes his mom into a vampire. She then proceeds to murder some dudes and take their pants so she can wear pants in pre-revolutionary France. Anne Rice has Lestat describe Gabrielle in this Oedipus complex way, but my favorite thing was that none of that is actually reflected in their dialogue. Lestat never actually calls her "Gabrielle" to her face- he calls her Mother. The creepiness is completely one-sided. Gabrielle also gives no fucks about whiny gay romance, and, after she and Lestat go their separate ways, Gabrielle goes off to live in the jungle and be Vampire Tomb Raider. She also goes full Mom when the queen of the damned kidnaps Lestat, with my favorite line ever: "So, if I waste this bitch, I waste the rest of us too?"

M_Sinistrari
Sep 5, 2008

Do you like scary movies?



Horrible Smutbeast posted:

That and the entire Anita Blake series I bet *pukes* Which is surprising seeing as the first 2 books were decent until it went really weird where she becomes the leader of 5 different were-tribes, has like a billion boyfriends and every single villain is a dude trying to rape her.

Didn't it come out somewhere that Anita Blake is Hamilton's self insert? I wish I could remember where I'd read that.

RazorBunny posted:

Even outside the horror novels, her books are full of creepy poo poo. Cry to Heaven is literally the only book I have ever chosen to stop reading and throw away. Teenage eunuchs having sex with elderly bishops :gonk:

I'm not saying that sort of thing didn't actually happen in the days of the castrati, but I didn't need a different horrifying sex scene every three pages.

I never got around to reading her non-horror works, but going from what I've heard from others... According to one of my cousins who was gifted the Sleeping Beauty books, the only way she could get through them was make a drinking game of how many pages it'd take to get from one vivid sex scene to the next.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006

M_Sinistrari posted:

According to one of my cousins who was gifted the Sleeping Beauty books, the only way she could get through them was make a drinking game of how many pages it'd take to get from one vivid sex scene to the next.

How the gently caress is she still alive? I used to have a challenge going where I'd get people to pick any of the books and open at any page and try to NOT find porn. I think the only time anyone managed this was on a chapter break. The horsetail buttplugs and vegetable dildos and cat cunnilingus are never not present.

M_Sinistrari
Sep 5, 2008

Do you like scary movies?



Corridor posted:

How the gently caress is she still alive? I used to have a challenge going where I'd get people to pick any of the books and open at any page and try to NOT find porn. I think the only time anyone managed this was on a chapter break. The horsetail buttplugs and vegetable dildos and cat cunnilingus are never not present.

Only thing I can think is that after a certain point she probably passed out, lost her place in the book and when she woke up just resumed from wherever and didn't notice if she skipped anything.

On another note as we've been talking about Anne Rice is that considering how old the books are and if they've had any influence on the preponderance of excessively bad porn writing we've seen in the assorted fandoms? It doesn't seem like it would take much for some of the broken people we've read about in thread to read something officially published and seek to emulate it.

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006
Now I am really glad I always found the back of Rice's novel weird and off putting during my teenage years.

Tracy Hickman and Margaret Weis you saved me yet again.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

M_Sinistrari posted:

Didn't it come out somewhere that Anita Blake is Hamilton's self insert? I wish I could remember where I'd read that.

Wikipedia posted:

Anita is described in the series as a petite woman of mixed German and Mexican heritage with curly long hair and pale skin



welp

VoodooSchmoodoo
Sep 15, 2007

What's that there, then? Oh.

Horrible Smutbeast posted:

That and the entire Anita Blake series I bet *pukes* Which is surprising seeing as the first 2 books were decent until it went really weird where she becomes the leader of 5 different were-tribes, has like a billion boyfriends and every single villain is a dude trying to rape her.

Oh god, don't mention Anita Blake. I read the first few because I was into reading some pulpy high-action horror stuff at the time but then things got weird. I felt really awkward because when I finished one I'd lend it to a colleague of mine who I knew was a fan of pulpy horror stuff. Lucky for me, she wasn't judgmental and still enjoyed them.

The last one I read was Narcissus in Chains. What a mess that was; it was basically pages and pages of Blake drinking coffee in her kitchen, moaning about her many boyfriends while drinking coffee in her kitchen interspersed with some really badly written porn.

Hamilton is infamous for reusing the same bad phrases over and over again. One of the porn ones was something like 'and then she rolled her eyes up at him' and I just had this vision of Ms Blake removing her eyeballs and rolling them like in a craps game during a tender moment.

^ there's a better picture than that but I can't seem to find it now. It's La Hamilton flanked by two burly dudes who are two of her vampire characters.

v you forgot Micah with his 'kitty-cat eyes' and Richard with his gigantic penis who likes rough sex. He's based on her ex, apparently. I sort of want to rewrite everything just consisting of her repetitive character descriptions, but with more detail:

Richard: I had a relationship with him. We were going to get married and he had a large penis but he turned out to be an rear end in a top hat, so now I'll just write about what an rear end in a top hat he is without any real character development.

Micah: he is short and has kitty-cat eyes. He also has a large penis, therefore I like him a lot. He doesn't have any character to speak of, so I'll just go on about his eyes and how much sex we have.

Damian: he's a vampire dude. I need to have sex with him a lot or we'll both die. Literally. He only features in my stories when I need to have sex.

Ronnie: My best friend who is mentioned at least once in each novel but doesn't do anything or have a role to play in any of my adventures. We drink coffee and go jogging. She is a bit judgmental about my sex life - jealous cow.

Edward: He looks like an all American WASP, all wholesome and apple pie, but he is likely a former contract killer for the CIA or something. I dunno, I got bored of writing about him so I just made up a story about him getting married and having kids. I was too busy obsessing over Richard and his giant penis to care anymore about our underdeveloped sexual tension.

Jean-Claude: Well he was a major player in my life for about the first six books until Richard and his penis came along. Then I sort of got bored and he just occasionally appears in my life swishing his lacy shirts at me. We also have sex sometimes.

VoodooSchmoodoo fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jan 4, 2013

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

Devious Vacuum posted:

Claudia, in my opinion, is actually a pretty great character. Not morally great, but just really interesting in a macabre sort of way. She becomes so evil, but it's exactly what Louis and Lestat deserved for creating her.

The weird thing about the female Anne Rice vampires is that there aren't many of them, but they're all kinda badass. The best female character is far and away Gabrielle, who is literally Lestat's mom. Lestat makes his mom into a vampire. She then proceeds to murder some dudes and take their pants so she can wear pants in pre-revolutionary France. Anne Rice has Lestat describe Gabrielle in this Oedipus complex way, but my favorite thing was that none of that is actually reflected in their dialogue. Lestat never actually calls her "Gabrielle" to her face- he calls her Mother. The creepiness is completely one-sided. Gabrielle also gives no fucks about whiny gay romance, and, after she and Lestat go their separate ways, Gabrielle goes off to live in the jungle and be Vampire Tomb Raider. She also goes full Mom when the queen of the damned kidnaps Lestat, with my favorite line ever: "So, if I waste this bitch, I waste the rest of us too?"


My problem with Gabrielle is that she tries to gently caress Lestat.

I did like Claudia; I thought her story made the most sense, and I was disappointed when she died because I had been hoping I could watch that character develop and see how she would live out the rest of her life. The interesting thing about her was that Anne Rice developed the character as an homage to her dead daughter, which is both sweet and creepy when you think about it.

And yeah, Anita Blake is obviously based on Laurell K. Hamilton, just like Bella Swan is totally Stephenie Meyer. Also, Anita Blake books would be much, much better without all the man troubles: everything in the Blakeverse wants to gently caress her or fight her. Often at very inappropriate times. Plus, my problem with series of novels is that every time they're introduced, every peripheral character has to have a little blurb that never changes: "My tough best friend Ronnie!" (who never does anything tough), or "My evil and yet sexually compelling partner, Edward!" It's like how you have to skip the first 3 pages of any Babysitter's Club Book if you don't want to read for the millionth time that Dawn is originally from California and is really health conscious, or Clauda is Asian and bad at school! The facts and characteristics used to introduce each character never changes, and it's boring.

Fleta Mcgurn fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jan 4, 2013

RazorBunny
May 23, 2007

Sometimes I feel like this.

I tried to read some of the Anita Blake comics when I worked in a comic book store, but just couldn't stand any of the characters.

I wrote a horrifically bad vampire romance novella a couple of years ago, kind of as an exercise I guess. I don't take it seriously at all and I judge anyone who enjoys it unironically. I know if I really wanted to I could probably expand it out into a whole universe and someone would publish it, but I don't think I could live with myself.

Sometimes I wonder if the writers of these types of books are just really savvy and know what kind of drivel their audiences will eat up, or if they genuinely like this stuff themselves. Some of them have to be the former, right? They can't all be nuts?

Devious Vacuum
Oct 24, 2009

Girl Games!

bringmyfishback posted:

My problem with Gabrielle is that she tries to gently caress Lestat.

Wait, really? Did I block that out?? :stonk:

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

Devious Vacuum posted:

Wait, really? Did I block that out?? :stonk:

After he turns her, she gets so excited that she tells him to have sex with her, and when he demurs, she actually grabs his penis and tries to stick it in. Thank god all the vampires are impotent.

And that is all I remember of The Vampire Lestat. I hope I'm remembering that correctly or I'll look (and feel) like a right freak.

EDIT: All right, I've been trying to find evidence of this exact passage and can't, but Anne Rice said in an interview with Fanpop, "Gabrielle and Lestat is a mixed relationship, part mother son, part love affair." So there's that, anyways.

EDIT EDIT: From a Vampire Chronicles wiki: "Gabrielle showed many behaviors that implied that she had genuine gender-identity issues. She often referred to Lestat as her phallus, and lived her life through him."

...just what every son wants to hear from his mother.

Fleta Mcgurn fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jan 4, 2013

moerketid
Jul 3, 2012

Devious Vacuum posted:

Wait, really? Did I block that out?? :stonk:

Thankfully I read Interview/Vampire Lestat/Queen of the Damned when I was young enough for most of that stuff to go right over my head too. The only part that didn't was pretty much everything to do with Armand. Glorified pre-teen boy molestation Anne Rice whyyyyyyyy :negative: Those passages must seriously be NAMBLA required reading.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.
In my search for incest (.....siiiigh) I came across the following passage written by Anne Rice:

""Good morning everybody. This is February 22, 1995,.... Um, I had a very, very strange experience this week that I want to share with you: Lestat...left me. For those of you who are readers, who have seen the movie, you know who I mean. The Vampire Lestat, he left me. He departed me forever. And this doesn't mean he died, or anything like that, he just left me. I finished making the very last corrections on the galleys of my novel Memnoch, the Devil which is the fifth novel I've written with Lestat, I wrote it February of last year, and I went back over it February this year, and as I completed the last page, I knew that Lestat was leaving. He didn't quite say it to me directly, but we both kind of sensed that the five books had finished what we had to do together. And I wrote in ink on the last page, "Adieu, mon amour," commending him to God. I probably murdered the pronunciation of that in French, but then he's French, I'm not. I can tell you exactly where he disappeared. He disappeared in the twenty-hundred (2000) block of St. Charles Avenue, only about 25 to 30 feet downtown from the Ponchartrain Hotel. He disappeared in that spot. That's where he was standing when my imagination left him. And he was looking in a shop window, there's a place on that corner that used to be a Mercedez-Benz dealership, and he just happened to be passing there and he saw himself in the glass, of...of that empty store, or building, and...that was the last time he and I looked at each other, he's gone. He's absolutely gone. And now it's my obligation as a writer to create new characters and to think about my new book Servant of the Bones and to try to make characters that can talk for me, as eloquently as Lestat did because he's not going to come back. I know that."

http://www.angelfire.com/ri/cerat/ARFAQ2.html

Lady, you nuts.

Devious Vacuum
Oct 24, 2009

Girl Games!

I do remember Pandora attempting to have sex with Marius after he turned her, but not Gabrielle and Lestat, auuugghhh. No Gabrielle, why, you were so cool...

WELL THIS IS APPROPRIATE:

Devious Vacuum, age 16, UNEDITED XXX posted:

To the Lovely Lestat:
I love saying your name aloud, darling. I don't know where that came from, but I do.
Oh, goodness! I need a massage, darling. I don't know if it's how I'm sleeping or what, but my back is always sore when I get up. Maybe my mattress is too old. Ooh, I'd love a massage from you sweet. Oh, your big, strong hands over my soft body... ooh! I just want to kiss you!
My problem is that I have too vivid an imagination. I can't almost perfectly imagine, practically sense, what it would feel like if you held me in your arms and kissed me. Oh, if only you would.
But why should you listen to Daisy Buchanan?
I wish I had better handwriting, too. My cursive looks like my regular writing is trying to be fancy but can't quite pull it off.
Love you, sweet!
- Vacuum

Before you ask, I don't even know. I don't even loving know.

But I'm going to use this entry as an opportunity to talk about the sexual repression aspect of the imaginary boyfriend equation. Now, my family is great. They are not crazy, or abusive, or anything like that. My parents were great parents. The only thing I wish my mom had done is talk to me about sex at all other than the "hey look it's your period" chat. As a result, like so many other girls described in this thread, I ended up having sexual desires as a teenager but nothing to ground them with. I also never actually imagined having actual sex because I didn't really know enough about it. Yes I am from the South. I definitely don't regret having waited a while before I lost my virginity, but I think it's important to have the knowledge of how sex works so it's not as foreign and scary when you're a teenager. I probably don't need to tell you guys that; you agree. It just wasn't in my mom's experience to know she should have talked about any of that stuff with me, though. Her mom didn't even tell her about periods until she ran out of the shower bleeding one day. So I had no idea what was a healthy expression of my sexuality and I was terrified to ask anyone. I can't help but think that a lot of young women in the future can avoid imaginary boyfriend syndrome just by having sex be more of a normal thing to them instead of this mysterious, forbidden activity.

bringmyfishback posted:

Lady, you nuts.

Is this what she meant when Lestat was taken away by angels or whatever for plot reasons between Memnoch and Merrick? Haha holy poo poo. This is great and you are great.

Devious Vacuum fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jan 4, 2013

Lowly
Aug 13, 2009

I do NOT remember that incest part either! Gabrielle was my favorite character in those books because of how badass she was and also because Lestat makes her a vampire thinking like "oh me and my mommy will be together forever" and after she is turned she is basically like "Actually I don't really like you that much" and jets.

Speaking of dads and Anne Rice, I actually discovered Anne Rice at 14 by pulling "The Vampire Lestat" out of my dad's book collection. I then became obsessed with the idea of sexy vampires for a couple of years. I really loved the first two books but "Queen of the Damned" and "The Witching Hour" lost me and I was kind of done with Anne Rice. I moved on to Poppy Z. Brite, whose books were more reflective of a teenage perspective of cool stuff anyway.

It seemed to me that Anne Rice had some fun ideas and she really did revitalize the whole vampire image, but she very quickly spirals into craziness with everything she does. I guess none of it seemed that extreme to me because the really cool books to read when I was in junior high were the VC Andrews books, which literally had incest and statutory rape in every single book. Whenever I get horrified about kids reading Twilight or whatever, I recall how popular those books were with my friends and I, and we all managed to have healthy relationships and lives anyway (as far as I know!).

Thank goodness I never came close to believing anything I liked was real and I was savvy enough to not go on and on about this stuff to other people. I'm pretty sure my high school friends had no clue I was way into vampires, I kept all my nerdy habits pretty much to myself. My brother is the same way and I think we both got it from our dad, who is a total jock dudebro but we know he likes sci-fi, fantasy, video games and show tunes.

EDIT:

quote:

I can't help but think that a lot of young women in the future can avoid imaginary boyfriend syndrome just by having sex be more of a normal thing to them instead of this mysterious, forbidden activity.

I was just thinking about this as I wrote the above, in the context of why I liked to read weird lurid stuff when I was in my early teens. I actually did know how sex worked pretty early - my mom was really frank about it with me. But I think another aspect of the same issue is that at ages 12-15 I was having sexual feelings and urges but I personally was not yet ready to actually engage in sexual activity beyond a very limited range. I think reading these very lurid books was a way of indulging and exploring my sexuality before I was ready to do so physically and also sort of figuring out my own sexuality by the way I reacted to stuff in the books (thank goodness the incest stuff pretty much made me feel gross). I can imagine that the more confused or ignorant you are about sex, maybe the more you go overboard with that to the point of really getting engrossed in an imaginary relationship.

Lowly fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jan 5, 2013

Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle
I know you said don't ask because you don't know, but on the off chance an answer is possible: who the gently caress is Daisy Buchanan?

For whatever reason, this is bothering me the most out of this chronicle. Like a live squid in the corner at your grandparent's house that nobody comments on or treats as unusual.

Devious Vacuum
Oct 24, 2009

Girl Games!

Ichabod Sexbeast posted:

I know you said don't ask because you don't know, but on the off chance an answer is possible: who the gently caress is Daisy Buchanan?

For whatever reason, this is bothering me the most out of this chronicle. Like a live squid in the corner at your grandparent's house that nobody comments on or treats as unusual.

Oh, Daisy Buchanan is Gatsby's love interest from The Great Gatsby. I don't know what I'm referencing her, though.

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

bringmyfishback posted:

just like Bella Swan is totally Stephenie Meyer.

While Bella Swan is an obvious author self-insert, it should be noted that the protagonist of Stephenie Meyer's other novel, "The Host," is named Melanie Stryder. Very subtle, Ms. Meyer. Well played. :thumbsup:

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

While Bella Swan is an obvious author self-insert, it should be noted that the protagonist of Stephenie Meyer's other novel, "The Host," is named Melanie Stryder. Very subtle, Ms. Meyer. Well played. :thumbsup:
Isn't this woman like 40 now?

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

While Bella Swan is an obvious author self-insert, it should be noted that the protagonist of Stephenie Meyer's other novel, "The Host," is named Melanie Stryder. Very subtle, Ms. Meyer. Well played. :thumbsup:

Ugh. And here I thought The Host wasn't too bad (although I left off reading it after the first third and then forgot to keep going.)

uglynoodles
May 28, 2009


Devious Vacuum posted:

LESTORT VAMPARS

Denise believed that Lestat was one of her lovers as well after I got big into Interview. She told me Louis was in love with me and we were soulmates.

Something else that's surfaced up from my foggy childhood memory. It was also somewhere in Grade 9 or 10 that I met and had a brief relationship with a girl, Terry, who was totally on board with the whole anime boy spirit possession thing and used it as a vehicle to initiate a pretty heated makeout session with me. I'd guess that that was my first lesbian experience. I went along with it because she wasn't hideous and I was a horny kid. We weren't friends for very long after that, I suppose in part because I felt really awkward about what happened, I was coming to terms with my bisexuality and I couldn't talk to her about it on the level because on her part "it was an anime guy possession, I don't remember anything!"

Terry had a thing for vampires. Her spirit husbando was Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She also liked Interview and 'claimed' Lestat, and 'gave' me Louis.

I didn't mention this before because I was so focussed on Denise and this whole thing with Terry lasted maybe two months or so.

Fun fact: When I was 12, I wrote a TTLY ORGINAL vampire novel, and had been quietly editing and revising it over the years. Denise wanted to read it, and wouldn't you know it, some of my characters became her spirit boyfrandos too! I ended up putting the horrible thing online and I think it's still up somewhere!

fake edit: Yep! I found it! My boyfriend asked me why I was laughing so loud. :hurr:

There are just so god drat many people who believe in this anime is real poo poo. ... Or at least, I've met loads. Sample bias?
Sorry for disconnected nature of this post! I'm kind of ill and it's a bit hard to hammer out a coherent thought.

uglynoodles fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Jan 5, 2013

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Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

While Bella Swan is an obvious author self-insert, it should be noted that the protagonist of Stephenie Meyer's other novel, "The Host," is named Melanie Stryder. Very subtle, Ms. Meyer. Well played. :thumbsup:

I thought Bella Swan was a blank slate that her readers could project themselves into. She intentionally leaves the description of her as vague as possible before cranking up the lady spank material by going into humungous detail about ready Eddie.

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