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Party in the UAE posted:Thats loving precious. Every shirt pull, every clip, every shove is a foul by the letter of the laws. Don't see too many of those called regularly. And I'm not just talking about stoke here. A shirt pull doesn't usually result in a goal. Last game day Man City got given a penalty for a dive outside the box. Every team shirt pulls/shoves ect but most teams don't have a Bale or a Young who looks to go to ground every chance they get.
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Byolante posted:A shirt pull doesn't usually result in a goal. Last game day Man City got given a penalty for a dive outside the box. Every team shirt pulls/shoves ect but most teams don't have a Bale or a Young who looks to go to ground every chance they get. Yes they do.
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Clatterburg was calling every single pull and nudge on crosses and set pieces by both teams during West Ham vs Norwich and it completely ruined the game. Its dull as gently caress to hear a whistle everytime a cross gets sent in.
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Weaponized Cum posted:Some French lasses got naked and showed their bums to the camera. Oh they're in a football team too. Sophie is my favourite 
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Blue Screen Error posted:Clatterburg was calling every single pull and nudge on crosses and set pieces by both teams during West Ham vs Norwich and it completely ruined the game. Its dull as gently caress to hear a whistle everytime a cross gets sent in. the hope is that the players will cut that poo poo out
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Byolante posted:A shirt pull doesn't usually result in a goal. Last game day Man City got given a penalty for a dive outside the box. Every team shirt pulls/shoves ect but most teams don't have a Bale or a Young who looks to go to ground every chance they get. It wasn't a dive, I sit metres from where that occurred, it was however miles outside the box.
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Pretty sure Shawcross's face is technically a bookable offence.
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Blue Screen Error posted:Clatterburg was calling every single pull and nudge on crosses and set pieces by both teams during West Ham vs Norwich and it completely ruined the game. Its dull as gently caress to hear a whistle everytime a cross gets sent in. Hint: stop pulling shirts and the game won't be ruined.
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Vegetable posted:This is a pretty abrupt turnaround by him. Last year he did a similar programme on diving that included using videos and everything, and his conclusion essentially was "it's a really grey area both morally and legally". Now his attitude is basically "He's doing it to win the game, no problem. If he gets booked and suspended, that's the punishment. We shouldn't be harping on it." I wouldnt care if my team pulled out every detestable act of cheating known to man so long as it meant we actually won something
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I haven't watched the clip in a while but I thought Neville's point was more that we shouldn't demonise players specifically, because they have a job to do and that is to win. The surrounding system of laws, punishments etc. creates a situation in which it is literally their job to simulate if they can, and if refusing to do so brings fewer results for their club then that could be bad for their career.
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Byolante posted:A shirt pull doesn't usually result in a goal. Last game day Man City got given a penalty for a dive outside the box. Every team shirt pulls/shoves ect but most teams don't have a Bale or a Young who looks to go to ground every chance they get. Um the lack of a pull might. Are you really this thick? Every team should stop shirt pulling. If no teams pulled, hacked, grabbed, shoved then diving would not be an issue.
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Bubble-T posted:I haven't watched the clip in a while but I thought Neville's point was more that we shouldn't demonise players specifically, because they have a job to do and that is to win. The surrounding system of laws, punishments etc. creates a situation in which it is literally their job to simulate if they can, and if refusing to do so brings fewer results for their club then that could be bad for their career. He repeatedly bangs on about how we have umpires and refs there to punish diving and if you get caught people just accept their punishment and move on. There are lots of issues with this statement as well. Firstly, people don't just accept their punishment and move on, just look at Bale whining in the media recently. Then there's the issue that the risk/reward is completely hosed since it's at worst a 50/50 that you get a penalty or a booking, and it isn't really 50/50 since some refs will just ignore it and play on, refs seem more inclined to give a penalty than book the striker etc. Sometimes one dive can completely change the game like the Young dive against QPR, a game united were going to cruise to victory in anyway but Young throws himself to the floor, wins a penalty, gets a man sent off, game over and QPR are now without one of their players for the next game due to suspension. It's not even like there aren't things that could be done to make diving less worth the risk. For a start I'd make diving a red card offence in the same way a professional foul is a red card. One is cheating to stop a goal scoring opportunity the other is cheating to manufacture one so they seem like comparable offences in my eyes, diving is probably worse since sometimes a professional foul is a legitimate attempt to play the ball, a dive is always intentional cheating. Introduce retroactive punishments in case you did sneak by the ref at the time. Same deal, you get a 1 game ban, repeat offenders get 2 and so on.
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Redundant posted:Just to whip out a choice quote: "If you are disgusted by Gareth Bale go and sing in a choir, don't watch elite sport, go and play the violin." He is literally saying that if you don't like people cheating you as a fan are to blame and you need to stop watching, not that the governing body should do more to stamp it out. There's some pretty selective quoting going on of that clip, and ignoring all context. He continuously points out that it's up to the refs/umpires/associations to police the game and he's right. In his video last year he pointed out incidents where players that don't go down despite being fouled rarely get a decision, which is why he can't criticise players that do go down after contact. He continues that he doesn't condone cheating, but these are elite sports professionals trying to win and it's for those appointed to police whatever sport to worry about enforcing the rules of it. The Olympic cyclist that took a spill to cause a restart was little other than applauded for it, by the way.
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Redundant posted:It's not even like there aren't things that could be done to make diving less worth the risk. For a start I'd make diving a red card offence in the same way a professional foul is a red card. One is cheating to stop a goal scoring opportunity the other is cheating to manufacture one so they seem like comparable offences in my eyes, diving is probably worse since sometimes a professional foul is a legitimate attempt to play the ball, a dive is always intentional cheating. Introduce retroactive punishments in case you did sneak by the ref at the time. Same deal, you get a 1 game ban, repeat offenders get 2 and so on. What about the situations where a player legitimately loses his balance and falls over or the ref didn't spot the sneaky pull or whatever. All this accomplishes is making every defender try to get an opponent sent off. Professional athletes are the most competitive people in the world, that's why they are playing at the level they are and their clubs pay them to win. Hegay fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jan 5, 2013 |
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Ninpo posted:There's some pretty selective quoting going on of that clip, and ignoring all context. He continuously points out that it's up to the refs/umpires/associations to police the game and he's right. In his video last year he pointed out incidents where players that don't go down despite being fouled rarely get a decision, which is why he can't criticise players that do go down after contact. He continues that he doesn't condone cheating, but these are elite sports professionals trying to win and it's for those appointed to police whatever sport to worry about enforcing the rules of it. I imagine he was applauded in Britain but not in the countries of the other competitors, sports fans are pretty hypocritical in what they will accept when it's done by their own team (I aren't an exception to this). Hegav posted:What about the situations where a player legitimately loses his balance and falls over or the ref didn't spot the sneaky pull or whatever. All this accomplishes is making every defender try to get an opponent sent off. Professional athletes are the most competitive people in the world, that's why they are playing at the level they are and their clubs pay them to win. e: Basically if you're attempting to get someone sent off by fouling them in your own box you are taking a massive risk and statistically I just doubt it would be worth it. Redundant fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jan 5, 2013 |
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Gigi Galli posted:oh god who is this? At first I thought it was Van Basten...it's not is it? van Nistelrooy?
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Ninpo posted:van Nistelrooy? Yup  Didn't know he was doing panto.
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http://thescore.thejournal.ie/ruud-van-nistelrooy-hospital-visit-741929-Jan2013/quote:As part of a long-running tradition in Spain, children receive presents from one of the three kings [Reyes Magos] on the night of 5 January or the morning of 6 January.
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Is it not some Dutch tradition to black up for some celebration and then get really pissy when the racism is pointed out? Edit: or what was said above, I should refresh before posting.
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To me, he's cosplaying as the Tiger guy from Mike Tysons punch out
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Redundant posted:There's a difference between not criticising the player and actively criticising the fans for being anti-diving though which is in effect what he did in what I quoted. There's also a difference between going down when you're fouled, going down at the slightest touch and going down without any contact at all. The first is a bit of a grey area because different people will have varying opinions on what a "foul" is so that is up to the ref, the other 2 are out and out dives though and should be punished, not applauded or condoned. The issue is that it's really hard to spot a dive at full speed from sometimes less than favourable angles which then leads into the issues of risk/reward that I mentioned in my last post. Only changes to the rules of the game will change that and having respected pundits come out and effectively say "he's doing the right thing" makes those changes less likely because it makes it seem like it is "part of the game". In many ways that's the point he's making, though. He's saying it's the job of the associations to put in place rules regarding contact and diving and then to apply them, not the players. He's not saying that you can't change anything, but that it's not Gareth Bale's job to uphold a code of chivalry when he's been fouled and is "within his rights" to go down. Particularly when quite often if a player doesn't go down when fouled the referee will ignore it. I watched the show, and I'm not entirely sure I agree with him entirely, but he's not endorsing cheating as much as he's saying that professional sportspeople are always going to look for the maximum advantage they can gain at the margins of the law and that they're not going to stop just because it makes you sad.
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I don't understand why I don't hate Van Persie. Right down to the bottom of my heart I want United to fail, Arsenal fans turned me off Arsenal, and just look at that smug loving face. Still though, he's so good and I love watching him.
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He deserves that celebration, he's the best there is in England at the moment.
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You would have to be a massive ABU to say otherwise. He is phenomenal at the moment, and one of the biggest reasons entire teams breathe a collective sigh of relief on the whistle at the end of the game.
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Can't even sell out their ground against Liverpool. Pretty shameful.
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jyrka posted:Why did they do that? Tribute to the people that lost their lives at Hillsborough. After all the fuss going on after the documents were released last year, I think it is a nice touch.
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jyrka posted:Why did they do that? Same reason you would hire a call girl as CEO and then marry her So there's something for ESPN to point cameras at and talk about sassassin posted:Can't even sell out their ground against Liverpool. Pretty shameful. Mansfield aren't legally allowed to fill their entire capacity since they only have two stewards, one of which is a middle-aged anorexic woman who will talk to you at length about how all her teeth are falling out
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sassassin posted:Can't even sell out their ground against Liverpool. Pretty shameful. It's been done in the segregation area between home and away support.
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JunkDeluxe posted:This is pretty cool Class gesture
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sassassin posted:Can't even sell out their ground against Liverpool. Pretty shameful. They didn't have to pack the seats all together.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Same reason you would hire a call girl as CEO and then marry her  I now understand this thanks to that pre-match interview
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