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Oxxidation posted:No lie, this is the first time I've seriously considered giving up on Homestuck. I am both horrified and fascinated.
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Scale Model Giant posted:Ok, that clinches it for me. This is the work of the Horrorterrors. This IS Jane's grimdark.
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No joke, the Mindfang Diaries almost murdered my enthusiasm when I was first reading through the archives. I just stared at those walls of text, my eyes glazed over while reading them, and my brain just went "I DON'T GIVE A FLYING gently caress aaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggghhhhhhhhhh"
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Jan 9, 2013 04:50
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Admittedly I am getting a little annoyed about how Act 6 keeps having these little glimpses of interesting things maybe occurring, but then whips right back to the tedious crap. Surely there must be some way to establish the fact that Jake is thicker than an acre of pigshit while simultaneously moving the plot. At least when Dirk's omnipresent neediness was getting fleshed out, it was done in a way that advanced things and didn't involve multiple back and forths about the matter. e. of course this raises the question of why the introspective conversation routine is boring with the Alpha kids but less so when it was done in Act 5 with Karkat and Terezi and Vriska. Maybe because we were already given compelling reason to care about their issues, and those issues were more involved than "MY BIRTHDAY IS RUINED". paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jan 9, 2013 |
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Jan 9, 2013 04:51
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Elysiume posted:She went so grimdark she wrapped around to the other side, which is trickster mode.
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Jan 9, 2013 04:54
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Things have been happening, though. This is a thing, and it has happened, immediately after other things happened. Jake's idiocy was demonstrated at the same time that he was successfully (if bumblingly) sending the juju code to Jane. And today we got ten pages of entirely new developments of varying importance.
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Jan 9, 2013 04:55
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Color Printer posted:No joke, the Mindfang Diaries almost murdered my enthusiasm when I was first reading through the archives. I just stared at those walls of text, my eyes glazed over while reading them, and my brain just went "I DON'T GIVE A FLYING gently caress aaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggghhhhhhhhhh" Luckily the diaries were less than a dozen updates and could be skimmed while losing nothing of note. The vortex that is Jake English has consumed nearly half a loving act.
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:Only a slightly different note, after the update dropped I did stop and think "Homestuck is ending this year, 2013. It is ending this year and the characters dressing up as candy is apparently somehow going to play a part in that." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoK8DaJRDaM 
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Jan 9, 2013 04:58
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Seoinin posted:e. of course this raises the question of why the introspective conversation routine is boring with the Alpha kids but less so when it was done in Act 5 with Karkat and Terezi and Vriska. Maybe because we were already given compelling reason to care about their issues, and those issues were more involved than "MY BIRTHDAY IS RUINED". Their issues were also way more interesting than the Alpha Kids', with the possible exception of Dirk's. Karkat's reflexive self-loathing and compulsive, contradictory affection for his friends, Vriska's ego and self-esteem issues, Aradia's whipsawing emotional state and Terezi being Terezi were all fairly unique and varied. With the Alpha Kids, we get "Jane is sad," "Jake is dumb," "Dirk is a grandstanding, emotionally dead jackass who torments himself with manufactured copies of his own personality" (again, more interesting, but only recently exploited), and "Roxy is perfectly okay and awesome forever." It's kind of lopsided.
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Cat Mattress posted:Just read the author's profile. Going back to this for a second, I can't believe this guy couldn't find two things to write about for Yahoo! Movies today, so he just pulls this incomprehensible nonsense out of his rear end. What kind of credentials does this hack claim to have? quote:Mr. Sexton was twice named to Who's Who Among America s Teachers. His articles have been referenced in books that include The Reckless Life...of Marlon Brando, Scarface Nation, International Marketing, Brandishing the First Amendment, The Trickster and Incentive! Wait a minute... quote:The Trickster  Of course!
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Desfore posted:I'm gonna give Hussie benefit of the doubt and see where he's going with this. I mean, for all we know right now the next update could have this just be a huge joke and have the comic continue like this never happened. But I agree, this came out of nowhere and is completely ridiculous. This didn't come out of nowhere though! It was stated before that the only way to beat English was by glitching the "game." Trickster mode was shown off as an ewsteregg in an early flash yes, but it was pretty much a giveaway when Calliope showed Roxy that Trickster mode picture of her. So yeah if you didn't know about that Easter egg, sorry. But there was more lead up to it than that, so this isn't unthinkable. Hell, I expected Trickster mode to pop up after Calliope's picture. I thought it was obvious.
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I meant more out of nowhere in this particular moment. I knew Trickster mode existed, but until now it's just been an easter egg, and a kind of inside joke at most with Calliope's drawing. Trickster mode suddenly becoming an actual thing in the canon of the comic, however is kind of out of the blue in my eyes. Especially right after the depressed Jane sidetrack, I certainly wasn't expecting anything like this.
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The other thing to consider is the whole dichotomy between magic and science going on. It's not just a running gag where magic turns out to be fake all the time, just replace "science" with "stuff that happens within the game rules/physics" and "magic" with "stuff that doesn't fall into that category. "Science" gets away with all sorts of ridiculous stuff that should be considered magic because it's valid within the rules of the game. So something that isn't scientific would be a bug in game terms, meaning the conditions for beating LE suddenly make much more sense. That means if we assume the Jujus are actually magic, then each one is basically some sort of glitch or exploit in the game that game constructs (ie, the players, including LE) aren't necessarily equipped to deal with. So no matter how powerful Caliborn gets using the game mechanics, a non-game item could still stop him.
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Look at this way: there's pretty much no way Trickster Jane can be less interesting than regular Jane.
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I guess I'm in the minority when I say I'm not a huge fan of Trickster Mode. I never really understood it outside of an easter egg, but I guess its a Thing now. 
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mr. stefan posted:
You know that inevitable scene in any given submarine movie where poo poo Goes Sideways and everything is lit in real dim red emergency lights and the hull starts making ominous creaking sounds? Yeah.
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Man, the kids, or at least Dave (and thus Rose too most likely), were explicitly stated as white in, like, Act One? Or whenever Dave showed up. Then Hussie went and edited it after making some speech about the kids being aracial blank slates that came off as a lot less impressive and meaningful than I think it was meant to be. But the point is that this should not be a surprise to anyone. Though I suppose Tumblr does love looking for reasons to be angry and offended.
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Trickster mode makes your skin caucasian, makes your hair impossible-colored, makes your clothes gaudy, puts sugary things in your hair, and does unspeakable things to your mind.
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Roland Jones posted:Man, the kids, or at least Dave (and thus Rose too most likely), were explicitly stated as white in, like, Act One? Or whenever Dave showed up. Then Hussie went and edited it after making some speech about the kids being aracial blank slates that came off as a lot less impressive and meaningful than I think it was meant to be. But the point is that this should not be a surprise to anyone. Though I suppose Tumblr does love looking for reasons to be angry and offended. Hussie's "aracial" explanation is pretty much a confirmed troll by now, since he did the exact same thing word-for-word during the Kickstarter and got the exact same reaction out of it. Trolling Tumblr is not a huge feat, but he gets kudos for doing it with a minimum of effort.
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mr. stefan posted:
Ohhhhh, this is gonna be good.
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mr. stefan posted:
Andrew Hussie you can't do this to me. I am going to laugh until I DIE.
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Oxxidation posted:Hussie's "aracial" explanation is pretty much a confirmed troll by now, since he did the exact same thing word-for-word during the Kickstarter and got the exact same reaction out of it. That makes more sense. It also makes the edit job make more sense since it was, like, complete jibberish (though the idea of it being completely serious was amusing too, because it just didn't work). Edit: I love that he specifies "in Trickster Mode". He's deliberately doing that so people can still get into stupid arguments about when they aren't. Man, has Hussie ever squashed the stupid arguments his fandom gets up to instead of provoking them further?
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Roland Jones posted:Edit: I love that he specifies "in Trickster Mode". He's deliberately doing that so people can still get into stupid arguments about when they aren't. Man, has Hussie ever squashed the stupid arguments his fandom gets up to instead of provoking them further?
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Scale Model Giant posted:Ok, that clinches it for me. This is the work of the Horrorterrors. This IS Jane's grimdark. She's gone jollybright!
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Cabbit posted:
what is this person is the internet finally becoming sentient 
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Roland Jones posted:That makes more sense. It also makes the edit job make more sense since it was, like, complete jibberish (though the idea of it being completely serious was amusing too, because it just didn't work). I found it funny that in the print book, which if I recall correctly was released after the edit was made, it still says "a white guy" on that page. Hussie doesn't even comment on it, though I guess I dunno how long the production cycles on those things are. Fister Roboto posted:She's gone jollybright! I am suddenly reminded of the grim/noble dark/bright setting alignment matrix. Why do you do this to me?
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Prison Warden posted:I found it funny that in the print book, which if I recall correctly was released after the edit was made, it still says "a white guy" on that page. Hussie doesn't even comment on it, though I guess I dunno how long the production cycles on those things are. It says "a white guy" on the site, too. He silently changed it back at one point.
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Seoinin posted:e. of course this raises the question of why the introspective conversation routine is boring with the Alpha kids but less so when it was done in Act 5 with Karkat and Terezi and Vriska. Maybe because we were already given compelling reason to care about their issues, and those issues were more involved than "MY BIRTHDAY IS RUINED". I think the problem is that the story has gone back to dicking-around-buildup-mode and stayed there for a long time, even after it already spent quite a while in epic-climatic-mode in late act 5. There's a reason stories usually keep the climax near the end instead of adding thousands of more pages afterwards. Really act 6 so far could have been 1/3 as long as it is and still kept most of the good stuff. On the other hand I was actually pretty amused by this update, though hopefully it actually leads to something relevant. Also I enjoyed the whole Mindfang/troll ancestor story well enough, though it did get a bit long-winded.
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Color Printer posted:It says "a white guy" on the site, too. He silently changed it back at one point.
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JT Jag posted:It doesn't matter that John called Dave a white guy because iirc he doesn't even know what Dave looks like at that point I'm pretty sure he's talking about Bro there, but I would find it hard to believe the Beta kids never traded some photos or were friends on facebook or whatever.
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Elysiume posted:She went so grimdark she wrapped around to the other side, which is trickster mode. The Squiddles are horrorterrors that have engaged Trickster Mode. I'm not even mostly joking.
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k5josh posted:I'm pretty sure he's talking about Bro there, but I would find it hard to believe the Beta kids never traded some photos or were friends on facebook or whatever. You cannot possibly expect me to believe that Dave doesn't have pictures of himself taken from an ironic myspace angle.
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Oxxidation posted:Their issues were also way more interesting than the Alpha Kids', with the possible exception of Dirk's. Karkat's reflexive self-loathing and compulsive, contradictory affection for his friends, Vriska's ego and self-esteem issues, Aradia's whipsawing emotional state and Terezi being Terezi were all fairly unique and varied. With the Alpha Kids, we get "Jane is sad," "Jake is dumb," "Dirk is a grandstanding, emotionally dead jackass who torments himself with manufactured copies of his own personality" (again, more interesting, but only recently exploited), and "Roxy is perfectly okay and awesome forever." It's kind of lopsided. I think it's more the issues that the Alpha kids are dealing with the same stuff as the Beta kids (its as if they're based off each other  ) which means we've seen all this stuff before. Most of the first acts dealt with "Jade is sad/distant", "John gets himself killed", "Dave is a grandstanding, emotionally dead jackass who torments himself with time clones/mortality", etc.
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There are some updates that amaze me with Hussie's writing ability. Sometimes I'm left stunned by a plot twist, impressed by the deftness with which the sprawling story comes together, pleased by art or music or some new rabbit in Hussie's hat. And then there's updates like this, where I ever so slightly wonder if Hussie's completely lost control of the story.
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I'm like 90% certain that this is only a silly distaction and it's not really going to have any relevance to the plot.
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Saradiart posted:Why did people think that Jane wasn't white? Andrew's long claimed (I suspect at least partially tongue in cheek) that all the characters in Homestuck were aracial. Some people were very attached to this idea as it meant they could assign any race to the kids in their heads. Now some people are flipping out. On the less amusing side of things, apparently this has also led to racial insults being thrown around tonight as some groups are proclaiming that "Haha, now you can't cosplay as Jane because you're [insert racial epithet here]."  The internet is terrible.
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