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Bob NewSCART posted:Don't care what all these dudes say. Isn't that side vent the same one that's on the Equinox? God those things are loving ugly. New corvette does not impress at all.
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Anyone who thinks car reviewers like Edmunds and Motor Trend are in bed with the car companies oughta read Edmunds' road test of the new Lincoln MKZ. They're not merely unimpressed... they're angry. They absolutely hate it. I, personally, would love to see Lincoln actually make it... but at the very least they should manage to get people to say something nice about one of their cars. Compare that rant to their article on the Chrysler 300, which it appears they really like, even with its old 5-speed. Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Jan 5, 2013 |
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It LOOKS horrible! Seriously, what's up with that grille? Oh, and another thing... I'm getting really tired of car companies not putting on the stock tires when they ship cars out to review. Those same Super Sports have been found on all kinds of cars lately by journalists. If memory serves me right, I think one person even found them on a test Chevrolet Spark.
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Jan 5, 2013 09:19
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The review said the same rubber was on an M5 they tested. As such the MKZ paid the price during the review for crashing over every road zit and not acting like the luxo comfort car it it should be. Though .90 on a skid pad is kind of neat for a Lincoln.
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BabyMauler posted:Though .90 on a skid pad is kind of neat for a Lincoln. So they said that it did better on their slalom than the BMW M5. That M5 that they're talking about is, I'm guessing, the same one they called "underwhelming." Doesn't say much. So now I'm wondering what they're gonna do with future models, after this MKZ's turned out to be a bust. Please don't Edsel on me!  edit: Oh god, they're turning it into Mercury. Just rebadged Fords with louder styling and a jacked-up price. Nonono gently caress goddamn no this is not the way you do it Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Jan 5, 2013 |
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It seems a little reactionary to declare the sky is falling because one outfit hates the car. Other opinions seem to range from "competent enough, but not the car that's going to save Lincoln" to "A better ES than the new Lexus ES". And, honestly, when has it ever really mattered what MT/C&D/whatever actually think of a car? Friar Zucchini posted:edit: Oh god, they're turning it into Mercury. Just rebadged Fords with louder styling and a jacked-up price. Nonono gently caress goddamn no this is not the way you do it What planet have you been living on? This is what Lincoln has been since the early 80s. edit: After really reading that article it's pretty clear they got their nuts in a twist about the tires and took it out on the car. Q_res fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jan 5, 2013 |
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Jan 5, 2013 11:15
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The tires aren't thrown on just for the test, you can get them as part of an option package. They do the same thing with the Ford Focus that always gets reviewed with the "Titanium Sport" package that includes E63 AMG tires. It works too because now it's common knowledge that the Focus is the "handler" amongst compact cars. It's a bit ckeeky but you *can* get them like tha tfrom the factory so I'll allow it. I guess I'm in the minority that I actually like the way the new MKZ looks, the tail is particularly striking and the side profile like the Fusion really helps hide the FWDness. Too bad the rest of the car doesn't match up and I can't see why anyone would pick one over a Chrysler 300 or a Hyundai Genesis for about the same price.
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Friar Zucchini posted:edit: Oh god, they're turning it into Mercury. Just rebadged Fords with louder styling and a jacked-up price. Nonono gently caress goddamn no this is not the way you do it Lincoln had pretty much coasted on being the Town Car/ Up Level trim division of Ford/Mercury with a flash in the pan unique model like the LS, and bling factor of the Navigator. Add to it their customer base literally dieing every day. If anything they need to look at what GM did with Cadillac recently, use platform sharing but make the vehicles unique from each other, and that stand with the best in the segment. It's easier said than done, but when the Mustang outsells the whole division something is very wrong.
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Throatwarbler posted:The tires aren't thrown on just for the test, you can get them as part of an option package. They do the same thing with the Ford Focus that always gets reviewed with the "Titanium Sport" package that includes E63 AMG tires. It works too because now it's common knowledge that the Focus is the "handler" amongst compact cars. It's a bit ckeeky but you *can* get them like tha tfrom the factory so I'll allow it. I think according to the article the car wasn't configured as orderable. The fancy tires are only available on an AWD sport whatever model, which isn't what was tested.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think according to the article the car wasn't configured as orderable. The fancy tires are only available on an AWD sport whatever model, which isn't what was tested. quote:Our V6, all-wheel-drive 2013 Lincoln MKZ test car showed up wearing ultra-aggressive Michelin Pilot Super Sport summer tires (245/40ZR19).
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Guys that 44-50mpg Strada small pick up of my dreams is never coming to the US despite what allpar says is it?  So,
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Huh, for some reason I thought they had a FWD version.
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The new Porsche 991 GT3 will only be offered with a PDK transmission, according to GTSpirit.  Number of nice photos here, too. I *think* the one in the middle is the GT3, can anyone confirm? Regardless, it's a hot loving car! http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/01/07/porsche-to-drop-991-gt3-teaser-in-february-deliveries-begin-july-august/  
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 http://www.carthrottle.com/toyota-gt86-shooting-brake-the-86-youll-never-admit-to-wanting/ I can't seem to find anyone else that is confirming this. But this site isn't saying "WOUDLNT IT BE COOL?!," they are stating it as fact.
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   Jalop is saying that this is the new IS (with an F sport package). A lot of comments are hating on the styling, but I think it's a big improvement over the current one. The interior looks nice, too. I heard they're carrying over the old powertrains, though, and that the car is getting heavier - if that's true I'm not sure how that's going to work out.
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obeyasia posted:
I like it from the front to the middle of the doors. Behind that does nothing for me, and I love hatchbacks.
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blk posted:Jalop is saying that this is the new IS (with an F sport package). Oh that's awful, it's their only prototype and it's already been in a crash, look at that front end! 
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blk posted:
I'm in the "it's terrible" camp. It's not just terrible, it's a complete loving mess.
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it looks bad in the thumbnail pic, it looks horrendous in the full sized picture. 
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I'm not sure what to make of Lexus' new Führer design language.
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Randy Pobst (having already driving the ZL1) says the 1LE is the best handling Camaro ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYiFiWn38jw Great price, if you can stand the aesthetics/livability.
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blk posted:Jalop is saying that this is the new IS (with an F sport package). A lot of comments are hating on the styling, but I think it's a big improvement over the current one. The interior looks nice, too. Well, that means it'll be slower, so we'll see more of them getting destroyed by pussy shrapnel they'll be unable to avoid.
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fknlo posted:I'm in the "it's terrible" camp. It's not just terrible, it's a complete loving mess. As long as you only look at it from the side and don't go inside it that's a fantastic looking car. edit: Never mind. I just noticed how the tail lights swoop into the side profile. Tacier fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jan 10, 2013 |
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Everyone posted:Lexus stuff It's not what I'd choose, but I'm happy that they're doing something interesting - I thought the last IS was terribly bland and is overdue for a change. I'm guessing without the F kit it will be a bit more toned down.
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Subaru news! - Hybrids - WRX ≠ Impreza - Future models will be downsized - New engines, smaller - More Toyota http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/1205_next_generation_subaru_wrx_prototype_revealed_last_year/ Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jan 10, 2013 |
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blk posted:
Don't forget this styles' origins: 
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That Lexus is one of the ugliest cars in recent memory, but the inside is pretty nice. The new Ram 3500 can tow up to 12 Miatas. http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/01/2013-ram-hd-the-king-of-towing-at-30000-lbs.html
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Friar Zucchini posted:Subaru news! quote:"product planners aimed to redefine the WRX from a turbocharged boy-racer into a more-mature sporty grand tourer" I hope it doesn't get too heavy.
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Well, the new Impreza is lighter than its predecessor, that is a good sign.
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At least Lexus is taking some design risks, and not Acura style design risks where they just put a shield grille on the front of an otherwise not-too-interesting design. That being said, I don't like it, but I imagine that it looks better in person, right??
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:That being said, I don't like it, but I imagine that it looks better in person, right?? Not a very high bar at all...I sincerely hope it's the case though. That car looks truly tragic.
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blk posted:I hope it doesn't get too heavy. why would they make a 'sporty grand tourer'? isnt that what the liberty/legacy GT is?
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motortrend posted:"product planners aimed to redefine the WRX from a turbocharged boy-racer into a more-mature sporty grand tourer" God, they just can't help themselves, can they? Whoever coined that term should be tossed into a lava flow. Thanks for the link, Friar Zucchini. As someone who can't decide to pull the trigger on a new STi or wait for the redesign, any news is more than welcome.
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The amount of cognitive dissonance in how they arrived at that sort of design is amazing. On one hand they say this... quote:The harsh reaction to Subaru's attempt to appeal to a broader audience by softening the 2008 WRX's ride and handling traits planted the seeds for that radical decision. But, the previous paragraph said this... quote:Odds are it will be bigger too -- at roughly 180 inches long, 72 inches wide and 56 inches tall, the Advanced Tourer is more than 6 inches longer, 3.5 inches wider, and almost 2 inches shorter than the all-new Impreza. and this quote:We also learned that in designing the new car, product planners aimed to redefine the WRX from a turbocharged boy-racer into a more-mature sporty grand tourer with a higher-quality interior. Make no mistake, however, the new WRX will come with a stiff suspension setup and enough power to satisfy even the most hardcore fan. I own both a 2002 and a 2011. The 2011 has more grip, is a lot quicker, is quieter, and is a more comfortable place to be. I've been impressed by it's performance. However, it still doesn't quite put the poo poo eating grin on my face like the 2002. The 2002 is just plain more FUN most of the time. To me, it sounds like they are going to go after the A3 quattro and that just sounds wrong for this car. I want a somewhat rugged/practical vehicle that I can bomb around in and have great fun, not some mature grand tourer wannabe (no matter what the power to weight ratio or the skidpad numbers say about it's performance credentials.) Oh well, I'm crossing my fingers for a higher HP BRZ. That seems more like a spiritual successor to my 2002 than what's being hinted here.
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From a selfish perspective, if they make a bigger, more luxurious WRX/STI, there might actually once again be available the vehicle that I want: fast, stick shift, all wheel drive, leather interior wagon with enough room for my dogs in the back. So I'm rooting for that.
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I couldn't determine from the article if they were saying STI in 2015 or WRX + STI in 2015. I'm hoping the WRX shows itself a lot sooner than that and we just get the STI a few years later.
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Hasn't the WRX always kind of been a GT, though? 4 doors, rear seat.... it's not exactly a sports car. It's always had a nice interior, too, compared with the base models. Boy-racer sure, the wings and scoops, but at its heart it's been a GT car. What they should say is "cars are getting fatter and heavier, and quality is of increasing concern, so the new WRX will reflect that". It's not like they are breaking new ground or even telling us something we didn't expect.
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VikingSkull posted:Hasn't the WRX always kind of been a GT, though? Not really. It's been an economy car with go fast parts. It's been no more of a GT than something like a Mazdaspeed 3 or a Focus ST.
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Well, in fairness, I'm American, so our GT's have always been economy car + go fast parts + leather = GT.
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Eh, I'm American too, but I never considered anything in the economy class really to be much of a GT. GT to me means power to dominate highway driving with emphasis on stability and control at higher speeds with amenities to make a long drive comfortable. Involved driving when you want it, ability to sit back and cruise when you don't. To me, this seems like it's almost the antithesis of the WRX birthright which is a somewhat tossable and nimble car that's most at home being thrown around twisties on less than perfect roads. A car that takes potholes, dirt, gravel, and snow in stride as much as smooth pavement. It's a car that usually begs for your attention and is always egging you on to goose the throttle coming out of a turn or enter that corner just a little faster than you should. I would liken my 2002 to an enthusiastic puppy rather than the greyhound that is a GT.
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