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Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Sanguinia posted:

Why would you not just release individual volumes in order? It has the same effect overall. Compilations are just ensuring that there are sales out there you will never make because some kids favorite episodes will never be selected because they're less "popular."

Because, believe it or not, some episodes really are more popular than others, whether among the general public or the show's staff. I'd be willing to bet that Christmas episodes sell better than non-Christmas episodes, for example. If the main audience is children you'd have to remember two things, 1) they are unlikely to remember the titles to individual episodes off the top of their head or to look them up online before going to Target and 2) its going to be their parents (who likely don't themselves watch any given show) who are making the actual purchase.

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iamathousandapples
Jul 12, 2012

And the best guests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNIABdqBxY

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~


"The Sax-oblivion!"

"...That's not the name we agreed upon!"

Queen Tyr'ahnee was the best villainess :swoon:

weirdojace
Sep 4, 2007
If anyone here is a fan of Invader Zim, then you might remember that the show was canceled mid-production, leaving about 13 episodes, unfinished, left in various stages, with scripts and voicework for a lot of them just sitting around.

Two girls who've named themselves SoapyWaffles have taken it upon themselves to animate the episodes using Flash. A work-in-progress version of the episode "Mopiness of Doom" was premiered at InvaderCon, and that version has been posted online: http://youtu.be/c0ExXAnuBBY

It utilizes the original voice actors from the show, and features music composed by a guy named Tom Resnick, who was given some guidance by the original composer for the show, Kevin Manthei. While the idea of animating unfinished episodes of Invader Zim using Flash may not sound like the best idea on paper, these girls have actually been doing a very impressive job. They've really captured the feel of the show's animation, even down to the use of odd camera angles. Pretty amazing.

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

weirdojace posted:

If anyone here is a fan of Invader Zim, then you might remember that the show was canceled mid-production, leaving about 13 episodes, unfinished, left in various stages, with scripts and voicework for a lot of them just sitting around.

Two girls who've named themselves SoapyWaffles have taken it upon themselves to animate the episodes using Flash. A work-in-progress version of the episode "Mopiness of Doom" was premiered at InvaderCon, and that version has been posted online: http://youtu.be/c0ExXAnuBBY

It utilizes the original voice actors from the show, and features music composed by a guy named Tom Resnick, who was given some guidance by the original composer for the show, Kevin Manthei. While the idea of animating unfinished episodes of Invader Zim using Flash may not sound like the best idea on paper, these girls have actually been doing a very impressive job. They've really captured the feel of the show's animation, even down to the use of odd camera angles. Pretty amazing.

The Flash is a little choppy, but I definitely appreciate the effort (especially since they have done their best to capture the feel of the original show, and got the same VAs)! I'd be delighted if more prematurely-cancelled shows were resurrected in a similar fashion.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Haven't looked at it yet, but holy crap.

So like 2-3 people are doing the job of like a dozen?

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


PhazonLink posted:

Haven't looked at it yet, but holy crap.

So like 2-3 people are doing the job of like a dozen?

"A little choppy" is being pretty generous, you can definitely tell it's being animated by only a couple of people. They did get the tone right, though.

weirdojace
Sep 4, 2007
Yeah. It isn't perfect, but it's quite impressive and it does do a lot of things right.

I'm just ecstatic to see an unfinished episode of Invader Zim in an actual visual format. Ever since it was canceled I've been reading those scripts thinking of what could have been.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
Just a quick word: the aquabats show is going to start on CITV in the uk on the 6th.

So watch it before they replace it with even more Fleabag Monkeyface.

Yes that is a real cartoon and it is the worst cartoon to have ever been shown on tv over here.

ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Dec 29, 2012

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

ConanThe3rd posted:

So watch it before they replace it with even more Fleabag Monkeyface.

Yes that is a real cartoon and it is the worst cartoon to have ever been shown on tv over here.

what

It's like they're attempting to meet a quota for bodily fluids--possibly at gunpoint, I can't tell.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
I'm truly sorry for what our country has produced.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

Dear god, Canada, I thought you had hit bottom with Johnny Test, but here we are.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009

IRQ posted:

Dear god, Canada, I thought you had hit bottom with Johnny Test, but here we are.

It's an entirely English joint.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

ConanThe3rd posted:

It's an entirely English joint.

Ooops, I read CITV as CTV. Sorry Canada! (you still suck for making Johnny Test)

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

IRQ posted:

Dear god, Canada, I thought you had hit bottom with Johnny Test, but here we are.
Hating on Canada is so 2 weeks ago. The future of terrible animation is Australia.

readingatwork fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Dec 29, 2012

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

raditts posted:

"A little choppy" is being pretty generous, you can definitely tell it's being animated by only a couple of people. They did get the tone right, though.

Yeah, the animation itself VERY choppy, and really obvious it's made in flash. Which sucks because artwise, they could not have recreated the look of the show any better. Hell you could pause at almost any part of that video and it looks like an official screenshot. Everything from the characters, to the camera angles to the backgrounds all look pretty much perfect.

BattleTech
Jun 6, 2010

Is this easy mode?
Fun Shoe
Oh hey, Kung Fu Panda is getting a 3rd season.

One of the things I keep wondering about is why KFP and HTTYD are on different networks.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


I was stuck watching a lot of Nick earlier today at my parent's place and thought it was pretty funny that they're apparently ripping off Tower Prep.

Magnus Condomus
Apr 23, 2010

Neo Helbeast posted:

Oh hey, Kung Fu Panda is getting a 3rd season.

One of the things I keep wondering about is why KFP and HTTYD are on different networks.

The HTTYD guys said it was because they wanted more leeway to make a darker show. Too bad they haven't actually used that TV-PG rating to any length. Hell, right now Adventure Time is darker and more mature than HTTYD.


muscles like this? posted:

I was stuck watching a lot of Nick earlier today at my parent's place and thought it was pretty funny that they're apparently ripping off Tower Prep.

drat, I really enjoyed Tower Prep. It was fun and entertaining. I was sad when it was cancled. Is the rip off any good?

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Looks like I was mistaken and the show has been running for a season already, its House of Anubis.

FrostedButts
Dec 30, 2011

Neo Helbeast posted:

Oh hey, Kung Fu Panda is getting a 3rd season.

One of the things I keep wondering about is why KFP and HTTYD are on different networks.

Probably because Dreamworks doesn't want to put all their eggs in one basket. Which is an extremely smart idea if the majority of your television productions air on the sinking ship that is Nickelodeon.

FrostedButts
Dec 30, 2011

Magnus Condomus posted:

The HTTYD guys said it was because they wanted more leeway to make a darker show. Too bad they haven't actually used that TV-PG rating to any length. Hell, right now Adventure Time is darker and more mature than HTTYD.

TV-PG just feels like the standard for CN now. It's just their little way of saying to both the creators and the audience "look, the gloves are off, these cartoons can do anything they want."

It doesn't really mean anything. Hell, Tron: Uprising is by far the darkest cartoon on television and it's still only TV-Y7 FV.

Farbtoner
May 17, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Yeah, I love how flexible stuff is for kids shows now. 20 years ago Mortal Kombat was a moral panic and a national media circus, now Disney makes a movie where in the first 10 minutes they have Kano ripping a dude's heart out and it's rated PG. Same for Regular show having a ton of swears and barely-veiled references to sex (lady pecks, unicorn slump, etc.)

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

Macaluso posted:

Yeah, the animation itself VERY choppy, and really obvious it's made in flash. Which sucks because artwise, they could not have recreated the look of the show any better. Hell you could pause at almost any part of that video and it looks like an official screenshot. Everything from the characters, to the camera angles to the backgrounds all look pretty much perfect.

Well, and even though my standards for Flash are normally pretty low, some shows (such as MLP, among a few others) have proven that Flash doesn't have to look bad. You just have to invest the time and energy, is all.

Farbtoner posted:

Yeah, I love how flexible stuff is for kids shows now. 20 years ago Mortal Kombat was a moral panic and a national media circus, now Disney makes a movie where in the first 10 minutes they have Kano ripping a dude's heart out and it's rated PG. Same for Regular show having a ton of swears and barely-veiled references to sex (lady pecks, unicorn slump, etc.)

Interestingly, though, I think there are forms of politically incorrect or "edgy" humor which are actually harder to get away with now. But, yeah, it seems like the standards around violence have shifted. Hell, I remember when people raised a stink over Pokemon, oy!

Tartarus Sauce fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Dec 30, 2012

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?
Watched an episode of Ben 10 Omniverse, surprisingly liked it and was equally surprised when the lego creature was had the voice of Damos from Jak 3. Should I continue watching this series because I remember after the first Ben 10 series that it went downhill.

Magnus Condomus
Apr 23, 2010

achillesforever6 posted:

Watched an episode of Ben 10 Omniverse, surprisingly liked it and was equally surprised when the lego creature was had the voice of Damos from Jak 3. Should I continue watching this series because I remember after the first Ben 10 series that it went downhill.

It's definitely better than the other Teen Ben series, but still a bit hit or miss. I have hopes though.

PicklePants
May 8, 2007
Woo!
I don't normally get XD, and I've been neglecting the thread. So, I've just caught up and saw an episode of Motorcity. I'm excited to burn through more episodes now, it was a lot of fun and not something I was expecting to see from XD original programming.

The backgrounds are beautiful. And, you know.. Mark Hamill.

PicklePants
May 8, 2007
Woo!

Farbtoner posted:

Yeah, I love how flexible stuff is for kids shows now. 20 years ago Mortal Kombat was a moral panic and a national media circus, now Disney makes a movie where in the first 10 minutes they have Kano ripping a dude's heart out and it's rated PG. Same for Regular show having a ton of swears and barely-veiled references to sex (lady pecks, unicorn slump, etc.)

Let's be fair. Rocko (93) and Ren and Stimpy (91) were for kids, too. And they were far more blatant about things. A lot of people who remember those old shows (and are being reminded of them with Netflix or other media) are having kids now.

PicklePants fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jan 9, 2013

KKoserYaks
May 4, 2012

And what you call chaos is my beauty.

PicklePants posted:

Let's be fair. Rocko (93) and Ren and Stimpy (91) were for kids, too. And they were far more blatant about things. A lot of people who remember those old shows (and are being reminded of them with Netflix or other media) are having kids now.

To be even more fair. This also existed back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xmAC9Qu908

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Speaking of Animaniacs, apparently they're airing on THAT channel now. Caught it last week and I think I heard Slappy Squirrel say anal.

Also the show is even more awesome now that's I'm older.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Huh

I just found this thread.

I've been having a few thoughts about the "90's are all that block"

Good
-Hey Arnold has aged very well. Has a very Simpsons-like vibe to it now that I'm watching it again. Also dan castellaneta is amazing
-Rugrats had a certain point when they were quite good, but then the quality dropped off. I find myself intrigued more about the conversations between the adults in the episodes. I kind of wonder if the good writers kind of bailed when Recess started to air on ABC back in the day.
-Doug is alright. Billy West's voice acting is quite good. One line now stands out to me which is really funny now "When this video airs you'll be king...KING OF THE GOONS"

Bad
-I'll get flamed to hell and back for this, but I'm not a big fan of Kenan and Kel. Not that I don't find the pair very good, quite the opposite. It's just that the episodes themselves are quite formulaic. Blame the writers, not the actors I guess.

Ugly
-I'm still disappointed that there's not more of a variety at times. At times it's been the following: Kenan and Kel, All-That, and then either Doug, Hey Arnold or Rugrats. I mean you got Pete and Pete which was a pretty drat good show, and you also got Rocko and Angry Beavers which I happened to enjoy from back in the day. Switch it up a bit.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
Just realised, with Episode 2 of Aquabats airing on CITV, Mega64 have finally been aired in some form or another in the UK about 8 or so years after Sky screwed them around.

Just something to chew on.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Angry Beavers was hilarious. It was one of those few cartoons that even my dad would even enjoy. That and Spongebob, though that show has gone downhill for a while now.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

FuzzySkinner posted:

-Doug is alright. Billy West's voice acting is quite good. One line now stands out to me which is really funny now "When this video airs you'll be king...KING OF THE GOONS"

Doug was one of those shows that thought it was hysterical to have the main character make an rear end out of himself in public all the loving time. I've always hated the show because of that.

(Billy West is awesome though)

quote:

Bad
-I'll get flamed to hell and back for this, but I'm not a big fan of Kenan and Kel. Not that I don't find the pair very good, quite the opposite. It's just that the episodes themselves are quite formulaic. Blame the writers, not the actors I guess.

Why the hell would anyone flame you for this!? :crossarms:

Scooty Puff Jr.
Oct 2, 2004
Who's ready for safe fun?

readingatwork posted:

Hating on Canada is so 2 weeks ago. The future of terrible animation is Australia.

Sorry, we (Canada) are partially to blame for this one as well.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


readingatwork posted:

Why the hell would anyone flame you for this!? :crossarms:

I can kind of understand, I've always had the feeling that Kenan and Kel is one of those shows in the Goon NostalgiaTM pantheon. I could never really bring myself to enjoy it or All That / many of the classic Nicktoons, really. I guess I was out of the age demo when they all started showing.

KKoserYaks
May 4, 2012

And what you call chaos is my beauty.

PhazonLink posted:

Speaking of Animaniacs, apparently they're airing on THAT channel now. Caught it last week and I think I heard Slappy Squirrel say anal.

Also the show is even more awesome now that's I'm older.

Yup, that's been going on for a week now. Now we just have to wait for volume 4; this is going to be the longest month of all time.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

FuzzySkinner posted:

-Rugrats had a certain point when they were quite good, but then the quality dropped off. I find myself intrigued more about the conversations between the adults in the episodes. I kind of wonder if the good writers kind of bailed when Recess started to air on ABC back in the day.

The grandpa is the best. I think in one episode he was talking about/watching porn or something.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

readingatwork posted:

Why the hell would anyone flame you for this!? :crossarms:

I recall reading a few posts with someone bitching at someone calling the show bad.

Just wow, was the show formulaic. Dan Frischman was pretty good at moments, and Kenan and Kel had decent chemistry going on, just you could telegraph the ending within 2 minutes of a given episode.

I think Pete and Pete is really the only one of those kid-coms/dramas that have aged well. The show seems like it would fit right in at IFC right now.

Forgot to mention that "Action League Now" was also pretty good. Seemed a bit ahead of it's time, and moreso a show that would have taken off on youtube.

FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jan 14, 2013

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PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
The thread title is a K&K reference.

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