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enojy posted:The profile view is pretty sexy. I like the profile but all the other angles look like a Chinese company made a knock off Ferrari 599. I guess that's kind of a compliment.
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enojy posted:The new Corvette pictures are out... is it still terrible-car-stuff thread worthy? I still hate the rear end in the same way I still hate the new(ish) Camaro rear end. Black roof is unnecessary. The profile view is pretty sexy. Somebody call Richard Hammond.
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enojy posted:The new Corvette pictures are out... is it still terrible-car-stuff thread worthy? I still hate the rear end in the same way I still hate the new(ish) Camaro rear end. Black roof is unnecessary. The profile view is pretty sexy. Wow, surprisingly nonterrible. I don't particularly want one, but that's a huge improvement to me over previous generations. I've never particularly liked Corvettes, but that's got some nice lines I think.
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enojy posted:I still hate the rear end in the same way I still hate the new(ish) Camaro rear end.
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I think it looks good, but the back is way too busy. Either way, I love it just because of the massive amounts of sperg and nerdrage it inspires in German car site posters. ~Hurr durr terrible American engineering only 450 hp from such a big V8 oxcart suspension and plastic body and no class unlike  MY PORSCHE~It's amazing.
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parrhesia posted:I think it looks good, but the back is way too busy. ~~~~* lift off oversteers into a tree *~~~~
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I like it, mostly; while the back end is kinda busy, it doesn't bother me too much. I just hate that vent in the front. It just looks cheap and so AutoZone.
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Pseudonym posted:I like it, mostly; while the back end is kinda busy, it doesn't bother me too much. I just hate that vent in the front. It just looks cheap and so AutoZone. That was my biggest gripe, along with the ones over the rear wheels. Other than the back. But I think the front/side views are dead sexy. I've not said that about a corvette in a long time. Oh.....but then I saw the interior. It's a Pontiac Grand Prix with a big MDF/nav system where the radio normally goes and a bunch of gaudy color highlights.  
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That's a C6 interior. This is the C7:  Edit: I like the center "oh poo poo handle" for the passenger.  Edit2: There should probably be a new Corvette thread. Godholio fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jan 15, 2013 |
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Godholio posted:That's a C6 interior. You're right, I used the wrong link. Now I've updated it to the one that looks like a whore house. My point is they changed the vents and put a "fancy" speedo/tach cluster in. It's the same design, and that's even more apparent with a wider shot of the Grand Prix.
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The angles are all different, the center console is wider, it finally doesn't share a steering wheel with the loving Cavalier/Cobalt, and everything's wrapped in cow...aside from the wraparound of the driver, what's the same that's not standard across every car?
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Godholio posted:That's a C6 interior. Is...that 7 forward gears?
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Godholio posted:...aside from the wraparound of the driver, what's the same that's not standard across every car? Pretty much the overall look and angles. Yes, the center console is wider. It's still set up the same way with the offset shifter using the same basic design. It's fine if you don't see it/don't think so....but it was the very first thing I though of when i saw the interior shots. I really, really want to love this car. It's performance for the price is ridiculously great. It's just got some "features" I'm having a hard time coming to terms with. Possibly because I'm not in my mid 50s and in need of making it to CVS to pick up my viagra refill in a hurry.
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Motronic posted:That was my biggest gripe, along with the ones over the rear wheels. I'd hoped the carbon fiber look was over. Guess not.
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CommieGIR posted:Is...that 7 forward gears?
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LiquidRain posted:Yes. Yes it is. I have yet to find an explanation, can somebody explain how it works in practice? Also I see it has a rear mounted transmission, is there any mechanical linkage to the shifter? e: I mean actually using it. Does it lock out certain gates based on speed or something? opengl fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jan 15, 2013 |
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opengl128 posted:I have yet to find an explanation, can somebody explain how it works in practice? I mean, why have 7 forward gears. Even in racing, you often barely touch 5th or if it exists 6th, is it for emissions or fuel mileage purposes? I could understand that, you could run the engine at lower RPMs to conserve fuel at much higher highway speeds.
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opengl128 posted:Also I see it has a rear mounted transmission, Transaxle. It's a Corvette.....that's how they have been laid out for a long time. It's a great way to balance weight among other positive handling attributes.
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CommieGIR posted:I mean, why have 7 forward gears. Even in racing, you often barely touch 5th or if it exists 6th, is it for emissions or fuel mileage purposes? I could understand that, you could run the engine at lower RPMs to conserve fuel at much higher highway speeds. That's precisely what it's for. I wouldn't be surprised if 7th is practically unusable below about 60. Expect 5th, 6th and 7th to all be overdrive gears. Motronic posted:Transaxle. It's a Corvette.....that's how they have been laid out for a long time. It's a great way to balance weight among other positive handling attributes. It is a good idea, but it's only been that way in the Vette since the C5 debuted in 97.
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CommieGIR posted:I mean, why have 7 forward gears. Even in racing, you often barely touch 5th or if it exists 6th, is it for emissions or fuel mileage purposes? I could understand that, you could run the engine at lower RPMs to conserve fuel at much higher highway speeds. On the Porsches it's for fuel mileage. e: f,b
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Seat Safety Switch posted:On the Porsches it's for fuel mileage. Great. Now I want one for my TDI. 'Thats right baby, I idled all the way home. 100 Miles to the gallon' 
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Ok finally found an answer, for the Porsche 7 speed anyway. 7th is blocked from any gear other than 6th. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIO2ZA9Kpx4
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Q_res posted:It is a good idea, but it's only been that way in the Vette since the C5 debuted in 97. Yeah....I guess we're just disagreeing over what a long time is. In top end sports cars (go ahead and disagree, but they are definitely there in more ways than not) that's a long time. Even for the specific car....this is 3 generations now.
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Motronic posted:Pretty much the overall look and angles. Yes, the center console is wider. It's still set up the same way with the offset shifter using the same basic design. It's fine if you don't see it/don't think so....but it was the very first thing I though of when i saw the interior shots. The offset shifter/overall console design goes back to the C2. My shifter is in the same spot, with an eerily similar armrest at the back. If I had power windows, the switches would be in the same place as whatever's between the switches and the armrest. The Vette didn't copy the GP. Compare the C2/C3/C4/C5/C6/C7 consoles...you'll probably still be irritated, but for a totally new reason.
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Godholio posted:The Vette didn't copy the GP. Compare the C2/C3/C4/C5/C6/C7 consoles...you'll probably still be irritated, but for a totally new reason. I'm not saying it copied the GP through the years. I'm saying it's yet another GM parts bin interior in both materials and design language. And that's just disappointing. How hard is to come up with something new and classy for the interior when you've done so much on the exterior? Not in the budget I suppose. Penny wise pound foolish.
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Motronic posted:I'm not saying it copied the GP through the years. I'm saying it's yet another GM parts bin interior in both materials and design language. And that's just disappointing. How hard is to come up with something new and classy for the interior when you've done so much on the exterior? I don't know about you, but if I can get that level of performance and exterior looks for $55,000 and have a rather crappy interior, or a car with inferior performance but a FABULOUS interior for $55,000, I will go with the first car every. Single. Time. It's far from penny wise and pound foolish; they put the money from the interior into making the base-line trim level of the C7 a 450hp 26hwmpg MONSTER that actually looks like a supercar.
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Doesn't have SUPERIOR GERMAN ADHESIVES, I guess? Look, they're building to a price point here, and this is a huge leap over the C6. Gotta bitch about something, can't bitch about the power or braking or transmission or fuel mileage. At least it doesn't eat IMS bearings. I like it. Goddamn it, I agree with TT.
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For the people asking if there should be a C7 thread, feel free to discuss it with us in the new car thread, since it's a new car and we don't all think it's terrible
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wallaka posted:Doesn't have SUPERIOR GERMAN ADHESIVES, I guess? Look, they're building to a price point here, and this is a huge leap over the C6. Gotta bitch about something, can't bitch about the power or braking or transmission or fuel mileage. At least it doesn't eat IMS bearings.
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It's about keeping the brand exclusive. Sure, they could drop the price a good bit, but then everyone would be driving one, and it wouldn't be as highly sought after. When you say Porsche to someone, 95% instantly think "expensive". The other 5% think "douche".
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It relates to the interior comments, but I've never understood why companies building higher-end cars settle for parts bin switchgear etc. Give me a sportscar that costs £60k and has Ford Fiesta stalks and heater knobs, and the question for me is why I can't have them in machined aluminium and have it cost £61k. Even in smaller quantities, CNCing up bits like that isn't that expensive. You can buy quite nice fittings like that off the shelf anyway, there's no need for something that shouts to you about where they cut the costs right in front of your face every time you drive the car.
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Das Volk posted:If anyone needed a reason to not like RWB... To be honest, Eurosnobs like you are the main reason I adore RWB, is just such an assault on the darling of elitist assholery, (air-cooled 911's) of the motoring that I can't help but to laugh whenever they say that someone desecrated their beloved cars or something. A lot of people don't really know what RWB actually does, it's not just a wing, they work on suspension and tire performance too, they are rebel cars and I think they are unlike anything else out there and given the money I would have one in a heart beat.
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InitialDave posted:It relates to the interior comments, but I've never understood why companies building higher-end cars settle for parts bin switchgear etc. Give me a sportscar that costs £60k and has Ford Fiesta stalks and heater knobs, and the question for me is why I can't have them in machined aluminium and have it cost £61k. Even in smaller quantities, CNCing up bits like that isn't that expensive. You can buy quite nice fittings like that off the shelf anyway, there's no need for something that shouts to you about where they cut the costs right in front of your face every time you drive the car. When you click 'compare car' on an auto website, it brings up (manufacturer reported) hp/tq numbers, transmission speeds, etc. It does not say whether the paddle shifters are magnesium or plastic. A good car review article will discuss interior quality, the glossed over press releases that pass for car journalism don't. So in terms of what sells cars, at least to the point of getting you to the dealership and physically sitting in the car, interior quality has very little bang for the buck. And you get people who think stuff like: Tusen Takk posted:I don't know about you, but if I can get that level of performance and exterior looks for $55,000 and have a rather crappy interior, or a car with inferior performance but a FABULOUS interior for $55,000, I will go with the first car every. Single. Time. Personally, I'd rather have the car with nicer interior bits and a little less power, because I may redline it only so often but I have to deal with the interior bits every single time I get in the car.
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InitialDave posted:It relates to the interior comments, but I've never understood why companies building higher-end cars settle for parts bin switchgear etc. Give me a sportscar that costs £60k and has Ford Fiesta stalks and heater knobs, and the question for me is why I can't have them in machined aluminium and have it cost £61k. Even in smaller quantities, CNCing up bits like that isn't that expensive. You can buy quite nice fittings like that off the shelf anyway, there's no need for something that shouts to you about where they cut the costs right in front of your face every time you drive the car. I agree, especially when the bits that aren't a cheap-to-produce bit of turned metal or whatever, like the microswitches that the stalks attach to, and the little motors and that drive the flaps in the HVAC system, the pcb that the posh feeling knobs or buttons or what have you actually act on can be exactly the same as in a Polo and basically every other model in your lineup. On the other hand, when you do get a company that pays more attention to the facade than what's behind it, you end up with a TVR... Very cool and unique and sexy and also broken down on the side of the road.
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davebo posted:For the people asking if there should be a C7 thread, feel free to discuss it with us in the new car thread, since it's a new car and we don't all think it's terrible Or go talk about it in awesome AI stuff, because we need 3 different loving threads focused on 1 car.
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opengl128 posted:Ok finally found an answer, for the Porsche 7 speed anyway. 7th is blocked from any gear other than 6th. Is that... a german with a shaved head, wearing FUBU, reviewing a brand new Porsche? That was weird.
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Who gives a gently caress if the turn signal stalk is the same one as some pleb car? I sure don't, as long as it's good quality. Hell, I'd take the turn signal stalk on a 95 grand cherokee over the one on a 2013 Ford F250, I drove one of those the other day and holy poo poo, the turn signal stalk is the most uselessly tactile, floppy, annoying thing ever. At least the jeep stalk from 18 years ago had a solid feel to it and stayed where I put it, instead of being one of those stupid momentary push-on-push-off stalks that kept making me wonder if I pushed it hard enough to actually turn the signals on. I guess I just don't understand why  PARTS BIN INTERIOR is such a big deal, as long as the major parts of the interior (dash cover, steering wheel, console, instrument panel, etc) are well designed and "fit" the car. Keeping the switches, radio bezel, etc common with other cars means if they break, you'll be able to get a replacement for under $500.Here's some terrible car stuff: Doesn't look too bad, right?  ... I don't like where this is going...  oh god  
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Is that... a german with a shaved head, wearing FUBU, reviewing a brand new Porsche? That was weird. Dude, it's The Getawayer!
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kastein posted:Who gives a gently caress if the turn signal stalk is the same one as some pleb car? Obviously I do, as well as several other people posting here. And it's not about the parts coming from "pleb cars"; it's that the parts look and feel cheap. Not all "pleb cars" are like this. In fact, it's increasingly likely that foreign competitors in many of the economy classes are distinguishing their offerings by providing better interiors. If you don't care about things like that it's absolutely fine. They make cars for people like you. In fact, we're discussing one of them now. Trying to paint my bringing this up as some sort of superiority complex isn't necessary, accurate or appreciated. kastein posted:I guess I just don't understand why Because some of us like a driving experience that is more than just power and handling. This concept is not unique in the auto industry and can be seen in all manner of vehicles from econoboxes (where interior trim/electronics package can be close to the only distinguishing factor in many segments), mid level luxury sedans all the way up to supercars. It's hardly a foreign concept. When I was younger I could care less. Now I expect the things I interact with to be pleasing to me. I could give a gently caress what the outside looks like when I'm in the seat, but I do expect the interior to be gratifying to look at and the controls to be an engaging tactile experience. Have you ever sat in something like a C Class AMG Merc? For someone who cares about that kind of thing it's mesmerizing to imagine what it would be like to drive something like that every day. You seem awfully offended that people value different things that you do in vehicles.
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