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webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Not yet, he can't go out for walks until he's had his final round of immunisations at 14 weeks.

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windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

webmeister posted:

Any recommendations on getting a young puppy (11 weeks) used to a collar? Since he's been inside with us since arriving home we haven't worried too much about putting a collar on him, but we've got his first puppy pre-school coming up later this week and the first attempt at putting his collar on wasn't very successful! All he wants to do is squirm and bite at the collar, so I'd like to make him comfortable while wearing it. He's a miniature dachshund if that makes any difference.

It's too late, but it's best to start at day 1, having made this mistake myself once. Try starting with a very small cat like collar. Make sure it's on snug enough he can't pull it off, but insure you can get two fingers under it comfortably.

On puppies you practically have to check them daily to make sure the fit is ok and adjust. Try putting it on before an hour long play/training session and he'll probably forget it's there by the end.

But, rest assured, it's just new. He'll get over it.

Also, it's horrifying to loose a puppy to parvo or the like, but annoying for life to have an antisocial dog. Taking them out is a risk, but so is leaving them in. You should discuss the pros and cons with your vet, but also accept that they don't want you back in telling them they murdered your dog by telling you it was ok.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer

webmeister posted:

Any recommendations on getting a young puppy (11 weeks) used to a collar? Since he's been inside with us since arriving home we haven't worried too much about putting a collar on him, but we've got his first puppy pre-school coming up later this week and the first attempt at putting his collar on wasn't very successful! All he wants to do is squirm and bite at the collar, so I'd like to make him comfortable while wearing it. He's a miniature dachshund if that makes any difference.

Linus took several days to get used to it fully. Even now when we get him a new collar he'll scratch at it for a few days until he gets used to it.

It may seem like he won't get used to it but he will. Give him really good treats or playtime to distract him.

MrFurious
Dec 11, 2003
THINKS HE IS BEST AT DOGS (is actually worst at dogs!!!)

webmeister posted:

Not yet, he can't go out for walks until he's had his final round of immunisations at 14 weeks.

This is not correct, read the OP.
Talk to your vet about the risks in your area, but if you are not at very high risk for parvovirus, the damage you are doing to your dogs socialization skills likely far outweighs the risks of infection.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

MrFurious posted:

This is not correct, read the OP.
Talk to your vet about the risks in your area, but if you are not at very high risk for parvovirus, the damage you are doing to your dogs socialization skills likely far outweighs the risks of infection.

It was the vet who told us not to take him out until he was immunised. He's socialised with a lot of people in the few weeks we've had him (probably close to 50 people) and a few dogs as well, but safely meeting other dogs is why he's starting preschool tomorrow.

Serella
Apr 24, 2008

Is that what you're posting?

webmeister posted:

It was the vet who told us not to take him out until he was immunised. He's socialised with a lot of people in the few weeks we've had him (probably close to 50 people) and a few dogs as well, but safely meeting other dogs is why he's starting preschool tomorrow.

Wait, he hasn't had shots yet, so he can't go on walks, but he can go to puppy training classes? That...does not seem correct.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Serella posted:

Wait, he hasn't had shots yet, so he can't go on walks, but he can go to puppy training classes? That...does not seem correct.

We got him at 8 weeks and he'd already had his initial round of shots. He's getting the second round tonight and starting puppy school tomorrow. The pre-school are careful to only allow dogs at the same stage of vaccinations. As I understand it, the problem with walks is that you don't know how vaccinated the other dogs he meets are.

Like I said, he's met other dogs that I know have been fully vaccinated and haven't been sick recently - the vet told us this was fine. But we've deliberately kept him away from my step-brother's dog, who I'm pretty sure isn't vaccinated (he didn't even microchip his dog :wtc:).

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

webmeister posted:

We got him at 8 weeks and he'd already had his initial round of shots. He's getting the second round tonight and starting puppy school tomorrow. The pre-school are careful to only allow dogs at the same stage of vaccinations. As I understand it, the problem with walks is that you don't know how vaccinated the other dogs he meets are.

Like I said, he's met other dogs that I know have been fully vaccinated and haven't been sick recently - the vet told us this was fine. But we've deliberately kept him away from my step-brother's dog, who I'm pretty sure isn't vaccinated (he didn't even microchip his dog :wtc:).

Vaccinated dogs still carry parvo, etc; sometimes even just on their body if they've rubbed or walked in infected feces or urine. Also, in adult dogs, they may not show symptoms due to having fully functional immune systems when sick.

My point is not to scare you, it's to let you know the misconceptions about letting your puppy outside exist to protect the owner more than the puppy.

Microchipping a dog is a good idea but hardly judgement worthy, if he's not vaccinated for rabies he's likely breaking the law, though.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
Anyone have tips on how to handle renewed aggressive/nippy behavior in a 7 month old dog?

Linus had bite inhibition down pretty well but over the last month or so he's been very nippy about everything. Is this just puppy puberty kicking in? We try leaving the room when he does it (preceded by 'Ouch! No bites!') but he's just been so mouthy of late that it's disconcerting.

a life less
Jul 12, 2009

We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane.

Check out Triangulum's posts and the responses on the latest page of the dog training megathread. There are a few pointers there. If you need more, do ask.

The Wonder Weapon
Dec 16, 2006



We're planning on adopting a miniature schnauzer, and we found what appears to be a solid breeder. She's been doing it for over 50 years, talked with my gf on the phone for over an hour, sounded like she knew her stuff, etc. The puppies were just born a few days ago, and it's a bit of a drive so we haven't been out there yet, but we're planning on going out in 5 or 6 weeks to take a look at the facility and such before we actually pick up the dog.

There is one thing that sounds odd to me, but since I'm completely new to this entire experience, I thought I would ask you guys. The breeder said that she doesn't allow anyone to touch the puppies until you're ready to pick them up at ~8 weeks because she doesn't want them getting sick, mishandled, etc. I can kind of understand not wanting contact with the puppies when they're a week or two old, but shouldn't I be able to at least pet it, see how it reacts and so forth at 5 or 6 weeks old? Or is it normal to not be allowed to physically touch them before you're ready to take them home? Apparently we can see them, just not touch them.

MrFurious
Dec 11, 2003
THINKS HE IS BEST AT DOGS (is actually worst at dogs!!!)

The Wonder Weapon posted:

We're planning on adopting a miniature schnauzer, and we found what appears to be a solid breeder. She's been doing it for over 50 years, talked with my gf on the phone for over an hour, sounded like she knew her stuff, etc. The puppies were just born a few days ago, and it's a bit of a drive so we haven't been out there yet, but we're planning on going out in 5 or 6 weeks to take a look at the facility and such before we actually pick up the dog.

There is one thing that sounds odd to me, but since I'm completely new to this entire experience, I thought I would ask you guys. The breeder said that she doesn't allow anyone to touch the puppies until you're ready to pick them up at ~8 weeks because she doesn't want them getting sick, mishandled, etc. I can kind of understand not wanting contact with the puppies when they're a week or two old, but shouldn't I be able to at least pet it, see how it reacts and so forth at 5 or 6 weeks old? Or is it normal to not be allowed to physically touch them before you're ready to take them home? Apparently we can see them, just not touch them.

It's possible that she is ultra-concerned about disease vectors, but I'm not sure there's any plausible basis for her fears there. The concern I would have as a result of that statement is that the puppies are not being well-socialized to people. Ask her detailed questions about how many people her puppies meet before they go home at 8 weeks. Who handles them and how often? If the answer is that only a handful of people are meeting and touching these puppies up until that 8 week period, then you are very likely to have a great deal of work ahead of you in terms of early socialization. I'm not sure it's a deal breaker, but I would start to seriously question any information or instructions she gives you as a result, and whether or not I really wanted that puppy.

MrFurious fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jan 16, 2013

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

The Wonder Weapon posted:

There is one thing that sounds odd to me, but since I'm completely new to this entire experience, I thought I would ask you guys. The breeder said that she doesn't allow anyone to touch the puppies until you're ready to pick them up at ~8 weeks because she doesn't want them getting sick, mishandled, etc.

That does sound weird, maybe she just had a bad experience with people wanting to alpha roll the puppies to see how they react. I am embarrassed to admit that I did a Volhard test, minus the umbrella, when my puppy was about 6 weeks at the breeders. http://www.volhard.com/pages/pat.php

MrFurious
Dec 11, 2003
THINKS HE IS BEST AT DOGS (is actually worst at dogs!!!)

Ikantski posted:

That does sound weird, maybe she just had a bad experience with people wanting to alpha roll the puppies to see how they react. I am embarrassed to admit that I did a Volhard test, minus the umbrella, when my puppy was about 6 weeks at the breeders. http://www.volhard.com/pages/pat.php

I cover that in the OP. I'm not sure what you're getting at. If it's that you're a huge dog nerd, you're not alone. My wife and I did it as well.
If it's that it's ineffective, that's an argument that's already been had in this thread with no consensus. It's just one more test that can give you data and is not enough to evaluate behavior or temperament in and of itself.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
Mostly dog nerd embarrassed, not trying to start any arguments.

ANGRY_KOREA_MAN
Mar 18, 2007
Hello everyone,

I'm just dropping in and posting for the first time in PI because I am getting a puppy and thought I would share it with all of you! I have never owned a puppy while on my own before (I'm 24) so this will be my first time raising a dog without the help of my parents. I am buying a pure bred Samoyed from Sancha Samoyed's. The cost is a bit high but I have a nice tax return coming so I didn't feel too bad about it, mostly because I really want a Samoyed, and they aren't cheap.

So far I have gotten myself a nice crate with an adjustable wall to make it smaller or larger, and thats about it. I live on a nice piece of large property with two roommates who both have their own dogs.

I'm excited to be a dog owner!

Oh here are some Pics!

MrFurious
Dec 11, 2003
THINKS HE IS BEST AT DOGS (is actually worst at dogs!!!)

ANGRY_KOREA_MAN posted:

Hello everyone,

I'm just dropping in and posting for the first time in PI because I am getting a puppy and thought I would share it with all of you! I have never owned a puppy while on my own before (I'm 24) so this will be my first time raising a dog without the help of my parents. I am buying a pure bred Samoyed from Sancha Samoyed's. The cost is a bit high but I have a nice tax return coming so I didn't feel too bad about it, mostly because I really want a Samoyed, and they aren't cheap.

So far I have gotten myself a nice crate with an adjustable wall to make it smaller or larger, and thats about it. I live on a nice piece of large property with two roommates who both have their own dogs.

I'm excited to be a dog owner!

Oh here are some Pics!

Congrats, that breeder looks pretty good. I hope the thread helped and continues to help.

Deep Thoreau
Aug 16, 2008

ANGRY_KOREA_MAN posted:

Hello everyone,

I'm just dropping in and posting for the first time in PI because I am getting a puppy and thought I would share it with all of you! I have never owned a puppy while on my own before (I'm 24) so this will be my first time raising a dog without the help of my parents. I am buying a pure bred Samoyed from Sancha Samoyed's. The cost is a bit high but I have a nice tax return coming so I didn't feel too bad about it, mostly because I really want a Samoyed, and they aren't cheap.

So far I have gotten myself a nice crate with an adjustable wall to make it smaller or larger, and thats about it. I live on a nice piece of large property with two roommates who both have their own dogs.

I'm excited to be a dog owner!

Oh here are some Pics!

Hey congrats! My brothers fiances parents have a pair of Samoyeds, and they're awesome.



edit: Get ready for a fur storm!

ANGRY_KOREA_MAN
Mar 18, 2007
Some advice on how to groom or the best grooming products to use would be helpful.

I have heard good things about the FURminator.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



ANGRY_KOREA_MAN posted:

Some advice on how to groom or the best grooming products to use would be helpful.

I have heard good things about the FURminator.

Your breeder should have good advice about grooming and asking the folks in the grooming thread might be a good idea also. I don't think a furminator would work well on that type of coat and could end up damaging it because its basically a blade on a handle. Something like an undercoat rake would probably work better.

paisleyfox
Feb 23, 2009

My dog thinks he's a pretty lady.


I think Sammies coats are far too long and even with my Shiba's shorter coat I don't like the Furminator as much anymore since I like a fuller coat. I recommend a grooming comb, slicker brush, and a shedding rake. :) Like IJ said, though, you can as what your breeder recommends.

Dogdoo 8
Sep 22, 2011
So to all you people getting new dogs, start muzzle training as soon as you can and don't wait until the dog gets an ear infection 4 months after you get him and you have to shove a tube all the way down his ear every day for two weeks.

ANGRY_KOREA_MAN
Mar 18, 2007
New pictures on the puppy blog, and aparantly I'll likely be getting one of these two little ladies.



or



I'll be happy with either :3

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
This thread is for dog pups. I'm pretty sure those are seal pups.

Dogdoo 8
Sep 22, 2011
Pretty sure they're newborn polar bears.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
I wonder if the two ever get each others' kids mixed up.

Imagine being a mommy seal, come home with some nice fish for your kid and surprise! He eats you.

Splat
Aug 22, 2002
Alright so we've had Penelope for a couple weeks now, and Amelia is still harassing the crap out of her daily. I think their fighting is normal, but figured I'd post just to make sure. They adorably stop fighting for a second when they realize they're on camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24XcKz3ae3M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

My main worry is I've seen some scratches/scabs on Penelopes legs where I assume she caught teeth.

Splat fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jan 26, 2013

Engineer Lenk
Aug 28, 2003

Mnogo losho e!

Splat posted:

Alright so we've had Penelope for a couple weeks now, and Amelia is still harassing the crap out of her daily. I think their fighting is normal, but figured I'd post just to make sure. They adorably stop fighting for a second when they realize they're on camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24XcKz3ae3M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

My main worry is I've seen some scratches/scabs on Penelopes legs where I assume she caught teeth.

That just looks like play-fighting. Penelope goes into a play-bow at 0:13, and she uses the 'swing your butt at the other dog' move a couple of times, which doesn't seem like she's that annoyed with it. If her tail goes down or you see a lot of gum with a sudden sharp increase in volume, that's when it's time to separate them.

I wouldn't leave them alone together, and I'd make sure there's some mandatory quiet time, but I wouldn't worry about the fighting otherwise.

Engineer Lenk fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jan 26, 2013

Splat
Aug 22, 2002

Engineer Lenk posted:

That just looks like play-fighting. Penelope goes into a play-bow at 0:13, and she uses the 'swing your butt at the other dog' move a couple of times, which doesn't seem like she's that annoyed with it. If her tail goes down or you see a lot of gum with a sudden sharp increase in volume, that's when it's time to separate them.

I wouldn't leave them alone together, and I'd make sure there's some mandatory quiet time, but I wouldn't worry about the fighting otherwise.

That's what I figured but wanted to make sure. When they're worn out they'll sleep right next to or on each other so I figured they couldn't hate each other too much, though Amelia gets hilariously jealous when Penelope takes the prime between the legs nap spot and starts looking super sad.

Oh, and I probably should have made it clear before for others but I was posting on my phone and it was running terribly: Amelia is the seal/white, and Penelope is the cream/muppet.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

Splat posted:

Alright so we've had Penelope for a couple weeks now, and Amelia is still harassing the crap out of her daily. I think their fighting is normal, but figured I'd post just to make sure. They adorably stop fighting for a second when they realize they're on camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24XcKz3ae3M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

My main worry is I've seen some scratches/scabs on Penelopes legs where I assume she caught teeth.

That is a video of two dogs having ridiculous fun. Witness Tater the Terrible Tuber going at it against a 40-lb giant and loving it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWEdZPtWVtA

poxin
Nov 16, 2003

Why yes... I am full of stars!
I get to bring home this little guy on Thursday!



He's from a local German Shepherd rescue organization. The mother was brought in pregnant because the owner didn't want to deliver the pups or spay her on his own dime. They did a DNA test of the 6 in the litter and apparently the Sire was an Akita/Mix and the Dam is 100% Purebred Shepherd.

I'm excited and scared at the same time, first time puppy owner here.

Tiny Faye
Feb 17, 2005

Are you ready for an ORGAN SOLO?!

poxin posted:

I get to bring home this little guy on Thursday!



He's from a local German Shepherd rescue organization. The mother was brought in pregnant because the owner didn't want to deliver the pups or spay her on his own dime. They did a DNA test of the 6 in the litter and apparently the Sire was an Akita/Mix and the Dam is 100% Purebred Shepherd.

I'm excited and scared at the same time, first time puppy owner here.

Akita Shepherd? Do yourself a favor and buy a furminator brush. Congrats on your fluffy pup :3:

Psychobabble!
Jun 22, 2010

Observing this filth unsettles me

poxin posted:

I get to bring home this little guy on Thursday!



He's from a local German Shepherd rescue organization. The mother was brought in pregnant because the owner didn't want to deliver the pups or spay her on his own dime. They did a DNA test of the 6 in the litter and apparently the Sire was an Akita/Mix and the Dam is 100% Purebred Shepherd.

I'm excited and scared at the same time, first time puppy owner here.

I may have died a bit. I grew up with an akita/shepherd mix and he was the poo poo. I wanted to find another but had no luck. So jealous right now. Feel free to PM me pictures literally any time :3:. How old is he?

poxin
Nov 16, 2003

Why yes... I am full of stars!

Psychobabble! posted:

I may have died a bit. I grew up with an akita/shepherd mix and he was the poo poo. I wanted to find another but had no luck. So jealous right now. Feel free to PM me pictures literally any time :3:. How old is he?

They will be 8 weeks this Wednesday :) Here is the rest of the litter if you want to see them: http://imgur.com/a/wOmEO 4 boys, 2 girls. The dark one with blue eyes is killer too, hard decision.

Paper Mac
Mar 2, 2007

lives in a paper shack
Well, I want to take one of these little guys home with me:



I have no experience with buying pups, unfortunately, so I need a little help. The parents look pretty healthy to my untrained eye..

Dad:



Mum:



And here's what the breeder had to say, I didn't see anything amiss here:

quote:


I am a member in good standing with the CKC. If all goes well, this litter will be ready to go by the week of February 5th, 2013. I have attached a few pictures of Mom (Peggy) , Dad (Jasper), the babies and some of our other dogs and I have provided some health, pedigree, purchase, and contact information below. Jasper is 16 lbs. and Peggy is 18lbs.

When any puppy is produced from pedigreed lines, it is not just an indication of physical attributes but also predisposition to even temperament. Our Bostons are bred for good temperament, intelligence and good looks and truly are raised in the living room. All of our dogs are family and although many "breeders" claim this to be the case, it usually is not. Bostons are intended to be "bulldogs" but many people do not breed for the proper head because the Moms cannot pass the large heads during labor and, as a rule, must have cesarean sections. People breed a smaller head in order to reduce costs.

I do not administer my own needles nor do I deworm, all "medical procedures" are performed by my Vet. When these procedures are done by breeders, it is generally done to defray costs and in my humble opinion is a clue to the priorities of the breeder.
My babies are Vet checked and even the Security Chip Implant is administered by the Vet. Although I am quite capable of doing these tasks myself and buying the serums online as others do, I leave the medicine to the professionals. The fact is, if a problem exists that might be detected by a licensed Dr. of Veterinary Medicine,when a Veterinarian is eliminated from the equation a serious issue that might be caught early may be missed and this can mean years of heartbreak and expense for an unsuspecting family.
The Daddy is DNA tested clear for the gene for juvenile cataracts and both parents must carry the gene for the pup to develop the disease.
My Vet is [vet's name] and his business is [clinic name] on [street name] in [town name].

We are not a kennel, parents sleep on our beds and pups are raised and loved in the living room. They are happy and socialized and ready to love you. Bostons have a life expectancy of 15 years and are the #1 dog in America for a reason. They are intelligent, loving and devoted little dogs. Our babies are fat and healthy and we handle them with the same love and care as we hope you will. We remain available to help with advice day or night and do not cut corners with the costs to produce healthy, nurtured babies. Our pups are not the least expensive, but in life you get what you pay for and this is simply a fact. Our babies are actually quite a bargain for the quality. You will be required to sign a contract to ensure the baby is neutered when the time comes. The puppies have flat faces, beautiful big heads and they come with 1st needles, de-wormed, have a CKC Security Chip implant and come with a health guarantee.

Puppy will come with a "Puppy Starter Kit" containing, dishes, food, leash and collar, poop and scoop bags, toys, blankie and literature. Bostons make great apartment dogs and are not prone to barking. Bostons do not have "undercoats" which means there is no fine hair to float in the air irritating allergies and clinging to clothing.


They are a little pricey, though ($1800- about what some of the show breeders around here charge, and these don't appear to be for show, given the 'champagne' coat colour), and the breeder appears to be one of the "can't use the internet" types- no website, just a facebook page. I intend to call the vet she mentions using to see what he has to say about the dogs. The breeder lives a bit far away, so I'd like to be pretty sure that I know I should be paying that amount of money for one of these pups by the time I'm headed out there for a viewing/interview deal. Does anyone have any comments on whether that all seems reasonable?

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



It seems like this breeder is specifically breeding for fancy colors that I don't think are able to be shown and for giant flat faces which can cause breathing and health problems. She seems to even put down other breeders for breeding for dogs who are able to whelp naturally :psyduck: The sire appears to have such pinched nostrils that I'm surprised that it can breathe through its nose at all (this may just be a Boston thing but it would scare me off).

Why is she breeding these two dogs, just because she has them and thinks they're pretty? She says the sire is tested for genetic cataracts but do both parents have their knees tested for luxating patellas? What about deafness? The breeder should be able to give you proof of this testing even if she does not list it online at offa.org. What all does her health guarantee entail? Does it cover congenital problems that pop up later in life or just that the puppy won't drop dead as soon as you get it home?

She isn't the worst toy dog breeder ever but personally I'm not impressed and it's not someone I would give $1800 to for a ~unique~ colored puppy. If you're going to spend that much on a Boston get the healthiest, most moderate one you can find. Find a breeder who actually does stuff with their dogs, hopefully stuff that requires moving and breathing, and support them in making a less trainwreck-y Boston. Or go to a rescue and pick up the same dog for cheap and support them instead.

Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation
It's a poo poo breeder breeding unstandard dogs for color. In a companion breed with no working purpose, you want to see conformation showing if NOTHING else, or some kind of competitive dog sport/obedience/etc. Bostons specifically can not be shown in any color but black, seal, or brindle so she isn't even doing the bare minimum of dragging her dogs around a ring. This is a BYB, you can do better.

Edit: Also, please, get a boston with a couple inches of face. Extreme brachecephaly results in high vet bills for you, and a lifetime of misery for your dog. My Boston has no muzzle to speak of and it affects him in practically everything he tries to do, from eating to breathing to running. You and your dog will be happier if it has enough face to function normally and do such basic things as "go outside and experience sunshine without dieing."

Supercondescending fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jan 28, 2013

Paper Mac
Mar 2, 2007

lives in a paper shack
Thanks for the advice!! I saw some pictures of brown bostons and thought they looked really nice, but I didn't consider that not showing might mean not breeding dogs that are able to move around much. I see a LOT of uh, variable looking Bostons around town and I'm not really sure what they're "supposed" to look like, is there some guide to what kind of dimensions the adult head should have to breathe normally? In the meantime, I'm going to look for a breeder that does flyball or something with their dogs.

a life less
Jul 12, 2009

We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane.

Here's a photo of a BT I know. He's a great little functional example of what the breed can be.



His head is moderate, his muzzle has at least a bit of length and his nares are wide. He can go all day if you ask him to. I'm not sure where my friend got him, but I can ask. I assume you're in Canada (since your breeder mentions the CKC), as is she, so there's that at least.

I'm not a fan of making GBS threads on people's mediocre breeder choices, but you can surely do better.

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Supercondescending
Jul 4, 2007

ok frankies now lets get in formation

Paper Mac posted:

Thanks for the advice!! I saw some pictures of brown bostons and thought they looked really nice, but I didn't consider that not showing might mean not breeding dogs that are able to move around much. I see a LOT of uh, variable looking Bostons around town and I'm not really sure what they're "supposed" to look like, is there some guide to what kind of dimensions the adult head should have to breathe normally? In the meantime, I'm going to look for a breeder that does flyball or something with their dogs.

Its difficult because basically, show breeders do not breed for health- they breed to ridiculous extremes that are often detrimental to their dogs, even moreso in breeds with short faces and other unnatural features. Certainly not *all* show breeders do this, but many do in order to be competitive in the ring.

The boston standard calls for as perfectly round a head as possible, and therefore asks for muzzles to be far too short to allow normal breathing. The dogs you posted are very extreme, while a dog with a muzzle like this:


probably has a much easier time breathing.

Looking for someone who does dogsports with their dogs is a great starting point- just make sure they also do genetic hip, elbow, and eye testing on their dogs.

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