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Laserface posted:no please Australian government please throwing money and these two lovely companies so they can continue failing. Tariffs are pretty well gone these days, especially with the countries we have free trade agreements with. Tariffs have been going down since the 70s. People don't want cheap cars in Australia, they want the latest SUV
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blk posted:I'm guessing this means America's chance of getting a ute has gone from zero to even more zero Damnit, we were so close a few years ago. 
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Jan 16, 2013 08:11
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The Shelby group finally did another compact car:
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Does it go like hell?
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Jan 16, 2013 09:37
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Oh yes. Stock 252 hp, with an additional 50+ from a custom tune for an extra $500. Of course, the Shelby package costs an extra $15,000 on top of the stock Focus price and limited to 500. The package includes upgraded brakes, rotors, springs, struts, swaybars, fully functional aerodynamics, and so forth. You can also choose from twin stripes, checkered side, or none at all as far as graphics go.
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Jan 16, 2013 09:41
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Snowdens Secret posted:The Ranger, the other light trucks and reasonably sized half-tons were killed by CAFE regs. Considering it has to be ridiculously huge, I think the styling of the Atlas is done pretty well. The headlights in particular are well done and elegant. I think it's a nice step away from the 'make everything look like a big rig' look that the full-size truck market has been afflicted with for a decade.
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Jan 16, 2013 11:57
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grover posted:How did CAFE kill the light truck? Why couldn't light trucks have been brought up to the same efficiency standards as comparable size cars while still maintaining utility? Seems like a lot of americans would *love* to have a pickup truck that gets better than 8mpg. quote:Unfortunately, the footprint method has the opposite effect; rather than encouraging auto makers to strive for unprecedented fuel economy in their passenger car offerings, it has incentivized auto makers to build larger cars, in particular, more car-based crossovers that can be classified as “trucks” as used to skew fleet average figures, much the same way the PT Cruiser did. Full-size trucks have become a “protected class”, safe from the most aggressive targets, while compact trucks have become nearly extinct as a result. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/10/how-cafe-killed-compact-trucks-and-station-wagons/
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Jan 16, 2013 12:16
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Devyl posted:Oh yes. Stock 252 hp, with an additional 50+ from a custom tune for an extra $500. Of course, the Shelby package costs an extra $15,000 on top of the stock Focus price and limited to 500. The package includes upgraded brakes, rotors, springs, struts, swaybars, fully functional aerodynamics, and so forth. You can also choose from twin stripes, checkered side, or none at all as far as graphics go. From what I read, most of the upgraded internals are ford racing parts with the exhaust coming from Borla. So Shelby is really only providing the install, the tune and the appearance package. For $15,000.
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Xguard86 posted:From what I read, most of the upgraded internals are ford racing parts with the exhaust coming from Borla. So Shelby is really only providing the install, the tune and the appearance package. For $15,000. And the Shelby name, can't forget that! It's worth what at least two/three grand?
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Jan 16, 2013 15:38
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~ 15$ http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=shelby+signature&_sacat=&_odkw=shelby&_osacat=0&_from=R40
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BabyMauler posted:I think the Taurus looks great with that grill. Much better than the odd tri-bar it debut with. It kind of harkens back to the Crown Victoria that it is replacing in spirit. And keeps its own unique face as the big Ford sedan until it's next redo in a few years. I am definitely no 'Merican car fanboy, but have you seen the new Ford Fusion in person? It is absolutely gorgeous. I walked past one in the parking lot the other day and did a double take. I had to walk back over to it -- it is shocking how absolutely HOT it is. A Taurus SHO with a front fascia similar to the Fusion would probably be awesome.
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BigBadBrewsta posted:I am definitely no 'Merican car fanboy, but have you seen the new Ford Fusion in person? It is absolutely gorgeous. I walked past one in the parking lot the other day and did a double take. I had to walk back over to it -- it is shocking how absolutely HOT it is. A Taurus SHO with a front fascia similar to the Fusion would probably be awesome. I was drooling over one in that ice blue metallic paint. It looks hot as gently caress, but they cater to different markets in think. It stands out again this the Camcordstima, Koreans, and trashes the Malibu and the Avenger/200 twins when it comes to looks. Taurus hangs with the upcoming Impala, and Charger/300 as big American sedans.
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KozmoNaut posted:That's because it's a Mondeo In the sense that it's called a Mondeo in Europe, yes.
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Bugatti claiming next Veyron will be 550 pounds lighter, yet have over 400 horsepower more over current Super Sport. That's 1600 horsepower!! Estimated 0-60 in 1.8 seconds. http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1081005_bugatti-super-veyron-to-reach-288-mph
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sim posted:Bugatti claiming next Veyron will be 550 pounds lighter, yet have over 400 horsepower more over current Super Sport. That's 1600 horsepower!! Estimated 0-60 in 1.8 seconds. I want them to make it, just to prove Clarkson wrong when he claimed that it was the end of an era and that we would never see another car like it ever again, after driving the Veyron.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:
I think the rear looks a lot worse without the spoiler. Just like the C6, you need a spoiler just to fix that awful center brake light sticking up so much. It'd be better if the rear was just flush so you didn't need either. Edit: vv it's like a roller coaster except you have full control and all the dangers that entails. I've been on Kingda Ka which I believe does 0-128mph in 3.5 seconds. I could not imagine being personally responsible for my own safety in something like that. davebo fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jan 17, 2013 |
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sim posted:Estimated 0-60 in 1.8 seconds. This is blowing my loving mind, goddamn I can't even imagine what the acceleration feels like. I mean, I thought low 3-second motorcycle was a hit. This, this, I don't even know.
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Jan 17, 2013 21:10
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sim posted:Bugatti claiming next Veyron will be 550 pounds lighter, yet have over 400 horsepower more over current Super Sport. That's 1600 horsepower!! Estimated 0-60 in 1.8 seconds. How much longer before the 0-60 time is "Now"?
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Morphix posted:This is blowing my loving mind, goddamn I can't even imagine what the acceleration feels like. I mean, I thought low 3-second motorcycle was a hit. This, this, I don't even know. I'm not really sure you can do that. I mean yeah, top fuel dragsters do it in less than 1 second, but they have super-sticky wrinkle-wall drag slicks, super-sticky track surfaces, loads of wheelspin, over 8000hp and massive downforce from sheer exhaust pressure. And this is a fully street legal, fully-equipped luxury car with airbags etc. and road tires they're talking about a 1.8 second 0-60 time with "only" 1600hp? Sounds a bit out there to me.
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If the rear tires are wide & sticky enough, it's possible. Remember the current tires are special-order only and cost $20,000 for a set of four. With enough money and science, anything is possible. I'll take two.
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By the time the Veyron cracked sixty, though, the dragster would be a couple of hundred feet farther down the track and approaching three times that speed.
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Devyl posted:If the rear tires are wide & sticky enough, it's possible. Remember the current tires are special-order only and cost $20,000 for a set of four. With enough money and science, anything is possible. I'll take two. They also have to work in a reasonably civilized manner and last more than just a few hundred km.
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Morphix posted:This is blowing my loving mind, goddamn I can't even imagine what the acceleration feels like. I mean, I thought low 3-second motorcycle was a hit. This, this, I don't even know. grover fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jan 17, 2013 |
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grover posted:Your motorcycle's pulling about 1g; this Veyron's pulling about 1.5gs. Aircraft carrier catapults do 0-165mph in about 2 seconds- roughly 3.5gs. I can't imagine trying to remain in control of a car with that much acceleration. Honestly, I can't think of a better way to die either.
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KozmoNaut posted:I'm not really sure you can do that. I mean yeah, top fuel dragsters do it in less than 1 second, but they have super-sticky wrinkle-wall drag slicks, super-sticky track surfaces, loads of wheelspin, over 8000hp and massive downforce from sheer exhaust pressure. The Atom V8 is capable of close to 2 seconds flat with 500hp and 550kg curb weight and R888 tires so it's definitely possible on "street" tires when you're around 1kg/hp.
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KozmoNaut posted:I'm not really sure you can do that. I mean yeah, top fuel dragsters do it in less than 1 second, but they have super-sticky wrinkle-wall drag slicks, super-sticky track surfaces, loads of wheelspin, over 8000hp and massive downforce from sheer exhaust pressure. Their 1.8 second figure very well might be possible, but the amount of power and weight drop to get down to 1.7, 1.6, etc will rise very quickly (probably exponentially)
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At some point the returns probably become so little, and the engine lifetime so short, that you'd just go "gently caress it, solid rocket boosters are the way to go". Pretty easy with something like that to get accleration on the order of 10-15G, even with a package weighing upwards of 1000kg.
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Jan 18, 2013 00:55
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I'd watch the gently caress out of Top Solid Rocket Fuel drag races.
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The updated Veyron will be something to see when it goes for the record. It just makes me wonder what a domestic or an Asian Bugatti beater would look like, assuming they had the money, will and good press to do it. Sal Patel's full weight TT Viper does the 1/4 mile in 6.96 seconds at 215mph. All that and the car is street legal. Mark Carlyle's Corvette is even faster yet still street legal if a little bare bones on the inside. If tuners can produce streetable cars well in excess of 2000hp, then a major automaker should be able to do the same in a relatively reliable and livable package. How they would do it is where things get interesting. I don't think sixteen cylinders is as important as forced induction in this equation. A 10+ liter V12 based of the Viper block with multiair, direct injection, and some turbos would be absolutely monstrous. Yes, this is my fantastically implausible motorhead dream.
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If you want pure acceleration numbers, you need a fuckoff huge Roots blower. When you're counting tenths of a second, twin turbo setups still have lag that makes a difference. You want the torque and you want it now. I'm honestly surprised they don't just twin charge the Veyron to get that extra 400 horses.
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I wonder if there ever will be a modern twin-charged production car. It's been done to Ion Redlines and Cobalt SS's  .
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I think reliability is the problem, here. The more power you extract from a given displacement (primarily through forced induction I'd guess), the more stress the engine is under. I just posted in another thread earlier today -- you can get 400 horsepower from a 1.8 high-compression 4-banger with an enormous turbo and intercooler setup, or you can get it from a bigass cast-iron pushrod V8 running pump gas if it just so happens to displace about 8 litres. The V8 is the one that's going to last a lot longer on the street, though. The really impressive thing about the Veyron isn't the power it makes, that it's daily-driveable if you were rich and insane enough to do so. If you twincharged the Veyron (quad-charged? octo-charged? gently caress knows) and ran it on pure nitromethane you'd be getting up into top fuel numbers, but also top fuel engine lifetimes.
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Doesn't VW have a small displacement twin charged car? I'm actually kind of sure there's been a few over the years from different companies, but I don't have time to Google it right now.
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KozmoNaut posted:I really want some mad as a hatter company to make a rear-engined FWD car someday, just to mess with people. That company was called SAAB, and they pretty much did exactly that. The first time I popped a hood on an old 900 to do an alternator I was like 
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Bob Sheaves, Allpar's resident automotive engineer, thinks that compacted graphite blocks are the future of high performance engines. http://www.precisionenginetech.com/tech-explained/2009/07/02/compacted-graphite-engine-blocks/ It's some pretty trick stuff as far as I can tell. As ridiculous as the current hypercars are, we probably aren't even close to the summit of automotive excess.
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I actually care very little about Bugattis or other hypercars. All they are to me is proof that you can do almost anything with an unlimited budget (and they're also kind of ugly - I can't believe they actually forced engineers to work around that design instead of the other way around). I think the new Toyobaru is a far more exciting and interesting car than the Veyron ever was.
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I agree, I've never been into these supercars because I know I'll never be able to afford one, and even if I could, I certainly wouldn't spend millions on one when I could buy something that helps people or retains/gains value. edit: VVV good point
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Cream_Filling posted:I actually care very little about Bugattis or other hypercars. All they are to me is proof that you can do almost anything with an unlimited budget (and they're also kind of ugly - I can't believe they actually forced engineers to work around that design instead of the other way around). I think the new Toyobaru is a far more exciting and interesting car than the Veyron ever was. Hey man. That's cool. I don't think anyone was really talking or asking about who cares about the Veyron though.
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