|
So the latest thing around my right-wing dominated workplace is a 30 minute YouTube video on the "Sandy Hook Conspiracy" where I guess the conclusion is it's all a plot for Obama to take ARE GUNS or something. The only point they seem to harp on is the gun claimed to be used in the shooting is shown in a video being pulled out of a car trunk. I'm sure it's all bullshit and I'm sure not watching it but has anyone else heard about/seen this? It's taken as fact around here and I just don't know enough (or care) to rebut.
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2013 20:25
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 13:50 |
|
|
Radio Nowhere posted:So the latest thing around my right-wing dominated workplace is a 30 minute YouTube video on the "Sandy Hook Conspiracy" where I guess the conclusion is it's all a plot for Obama to take ARE GUNS or something. The only point they seem to harp on is the gun claimed to be used in the shooting is shown in a video being pulled out of a car trunk. I'm sure it's all bullshit and I'm sure not watching it but has anyone else heard about/seen this? It's taken as fact around here and I just don't know enough (or care) to rebut. Check the PYF idiots on facebook thread. The whole sandy hook conspiracy thing has been cranked up to 11 for the past week or two. Your workplace is actually pretty slow on the lunatic conspiracy uptake.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2013 20:29
|
|
|
Really, the easiest rebuttal is just saying it's pretty disgusting as well as paranoid to suggest 20 families scarified their children as well as a good deal of a town being in on the plan just so they could take your guns. Waco, Ruby Ridge, ect, if the government wants your guns, they'll just come loving take your guns, you're not going to stand up to an entire SWAT team, at least stand up and come out alive.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2013 20:31
|
|
|
Amused to Death posted:Really, the easiest rebuttal is just saying it's pretty disgusting as well as paranoid to suggest 20 families scarified their children as well as a good deal of a town being in on the plan just so they could take your guns. Waco, Ruby Ridge, ect, if the government wants your guns, they'll just come loving take your guns, you're not going to stand up to an entire SWAT team, at least stand up and come out alive. You forget they say that no one really died every one involved is an actor.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2013 20:33
|
|
|
Radio Nowhere posted:So the latest thing around my right-wing dominated workplace is a 30 minute YouTube video on the "Sandy Hook Conspiracy" where I guess the conclusion is it's all a plot for Obama to take ARE GUNS or something. The only point they seem to harp on is the gun claimed to be used in the shooting is shown in a video being pulled out of a car trunk. I'm sure it's all bullshit and I'm sure not watching it but has anyone else heard about/seen this? It's taken as fact around here and I just don't know enough (or care) to rebut.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2013 20:36
|
|
|
Good Citizen posted:Check the PYF idiots on facebook thread. The whole sandy hook conspiracy thing has been cranked up to 11 for the past week or two. Your workplace is actually pretty slow on the lunatic conspiracy uptake. Maybe they've been talking about it longer among themselves, somehow it slipped out today at lunch. I'm sorta persona non grata in many political conversations here since I don't toe whatever line is being fed to them by AM Radio and Fox News. I purified my Facebook wall last summer when the election ratcheted up so guess I missed this YouTube video there too. I'm use to the Limbaugh/Hannity type stuff in my office, not so much the Alex Jones level of crap I heard today.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2013 20:42
|
|
|
Ghost of Reagan Past posted:It's all BS, and I'm REALLY not sure why it's getting so much more traction than, say, 9/11 conspiracy theories. Since 9/11 did not lead to them trying to  steal our guns
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2013 20:44
|
|
|
Purified your facebook? I had to sever contact with several family members who have become profoundly racist since Obama's election. I was told verbatim "the blacks don't have to take any responsibility" as the sole rationale to repeal the estate tax. That, and because I actually read books and newspapers, I now cannot visit my mother without her begging me to admit that Obama won reelection because people were voting with their heart and not their brain. Yes, the incumbent who passed the health care reform he ran on the first time, presided over the capture of Osama Bin Laden, delayed a financial collapse, and ended an unpopular war beat a political unknown because of jungle fever.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2013 23:07
|
|
|
Regarding Sandy Hook, I received this a week ago: quote:Excerpt from Muad'Dib's January 7th, 2013 Critical Mass Radio interview: SnakePlissken fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jan 19, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 01:03
|
|
|
quote:This message has no links to help it get through spam blockers. If you are interested in the subjects being discussed, please search the Web for more information. This kills me for some reason. Maybe it's the thought that they put this in because they believe that if somebody were to "search the Web for more information", they would undoubtedly come to the exact same conclusion as the author! Also let me point something out: Hitler didn't disarm the German people, he confiscated the property of the Jews. In fact the Weimar Republic had stricter gun laws than the Nazi regime that took it over. Hell, the Nazis lowered the age at which somebody was legally able to buy a gun from 20 down to 18. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jan 19, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 01:13
|
|
|
So I like Rush, the awesome prog-rock 3 man band, on my Facebook. Facebook 'dun goofed and showed me an ad for Rush Limbaugh: "You know how to stop abortion? Require that each one occur with a gun" ...yeah. Every time I think that this guy cannot possibly be as awful as I think he is, something else happens. Reminds me of the this one article he did: during the Kony 2012 crazy, Rush had an online article about how Obama had sent evil government troops to kill CHRISTIANS in Uganda. He was helping MUSLIMS (gasp black Muslims, too) kill CHRISTIANS. Jesus loving Christ.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 01:24
|
|
|
Rush is weird in that he doesn't seem to be overtly religious but he still mashes the "Judeo-Christian oppression" button whenever he gets the opportunity on the air. It strikes me as much less sincere and more opportunistic than, say, the vitriolic hatred of someone like Michael Savage.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 01:27
|
|
|
Rush literally get paid to yell whatever will get the most right wing people nodding, his own values are meaningless.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 01:40
|
|
|
Good news everyone! Neal Boortz, king libertarian assclown is retiring/being forced out/something and Herman Cain is replacing him. If you aren't already a victim of conservative talk radio, you might want to start listening because this poo poo is going to be amazing.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 01:51
|
|
|
mr. mephistopheles posted:Good news everyone! Neal Boortz, king libertarian assclown is retiring/being forced out/something and Herman Cain is replacing him. If you aren't already a victim of conservative talk radio, you might want to start listening because this poo poo is going to be amazing. Oh dear god this is like Christmas came early.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 01:57
|
|
|
mr. mephistopheles posted:Good news everyone! Neal Boortz, king libertarian assclown is retiring/being forced out/something and Herman Cain is replacing him. If you aren't already a victim of conservative talk radio, you might want to start listening because this poo poo is going to be amazing. I've listened to Cain fill in for other hosts several times and he isn't any more entertaining than the other guys, sadly. He's like a more generic and slightly less religion focused version of Glenn Beck when he's trying to fill 3 hours with inane chatter.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 02:04
|
|
|
Isn't Rush's broadcasting company going bankrupt like right now, and all because of ad companies pulling their funding after he got too crazy about Fluke. I was hoping he'd go down with the company like the rat he is.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 02:15
|
|
|
mr. mephistopheles posted:Good news everyone! Neal Boortz, king libertarian assclown is retiring/being forced out/something and Herman Cain is replacing him. If you aren't already a victim of conservative talk radio, you might want to start listening because this poo poo is going to be amazing. It seemed that Boortz for the day after the election was actually the most sane of all the right wing news people. Then he returned to being insane.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 02:17
|
|
|
mr. mephistopheles posted:Good news everyone! Neal Boortz, king libertarian assclown is retiring/being forced out/something and Herman Cain is replacing him. If you aren't already a victim of conservative talk radio, you might want to start listening because this poo poo is going to be amazing. Oh my gosh. This is going to be the very best, like nothing ever was. They need to lead in with that awesome HER-MAN CAIN!! stinger from his campaign ads.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 02:20
|
|
|
az posted:Isn't Rush's broadcasting company going bankrupt like right now, and all because of ad companies pulling their funding after he got too crazy about Fluke. I was hoping he'd go down with the company like the rat he is. Also Bain Capital did that buy-leverage-dump scheme they do to grab a shitload of money for themselves and sink a company in the process, I believe.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 02:21
|
|
|
VanSandman posted:Also Bain Capital did that buy-leverage-dump scheme they do to grab a shitload of money for themselves and sink a company in the process, I believe. Can we put this in "Big Business doing moral good for the community" bin? I know it was an honest mistake, but a broken clock, etc.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 05:33
|
|
|
VanSandman posted:Also Bain Capital did that buy-leverage-dump scheme they do to grab a shitload of money for themselves and sink a company in the process, I believe. I think this is one of those rare cases of two wrongs actually making a right.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 07:48
|
|
|
Regarding the almost assured big upcoming 3d printed plastic guns debate: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/glenn-beck-interviews-defense-distributed-founder-on-3d Glenn Beck says this technology is scary because... "Occupy Movement will take over the world" and wonderful "because the holocaust would not have happened". The Defense Distributed guy is pretty fascinating if sort of scary. Lemonus fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Jan 19, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 09:15
|
|
|
Lemonus posted:The Defense Distributed guy is pretty fascinating if sort of scary. He kept responding in a lofty voice, "I'm just giving an idea to the world, each individual has the right to choose how they use it!" or some poo poo. He immediately went into a five-minute rant espousing the virtues of BitCoins. Really.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 10:28
|
|
|
Seoinin posted:Oh my gosh. This is going to be the very best, like nothing ever was. They need to lead in with that awesome HER-MAN CAIN!! stinger from his campaign ads. They actually lead in with the "I Am America" song which is hilariously awful in its own right. Honestly, Boortz was at least entertaining to listen to because who doesn't like hearing an old white privileged jerk whining and bitching about the poors and other things. More than often I found myself laughing at him rather than getting angry... but Herman Cain actually seems to be either actually ignorant or playing that role and it's like I'm hearing a somewhat dumbed down version of Hannity just with a different accent. I have a feeling I'll be tuning into something else in the mornings now...
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 14:30
|
|
|
Stuck watching Fox News at the auto shop this morning. Why do they all have to yell so much? Everyone keeps shouting. Is this to get people to watch or is it because there demographic is hard of hearing?
|
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 16:49
|
|
|
Crasscrab posted:This kills me for some reason. Maybe it's the thought that they put this in because they believe that if somebody were to "search the Web for more information", they would undoubtedly come to the exact same conclusion as the author! Do you have a source for this? I feel like searching 'nazi gun control policy' isn't going to be very helpful.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 16:57
|
|
|
Necc0 posted:Do you have a source for this? I feel like searching 'nazi gun control policy' isn't going to be very helpful. It's true. Hitler actually rolled back Weimar gun laws for the vast majority of Germans, i.e. non-Jewish ethnic Germans. It's almost silly to give the "GUN CONTROL = HITLER" trope the dignity of a response by pointing this out, though, since the notion that the Jews could have done anything to stop the Wehrmacht and the SS with small personal arms is patently ludicrous.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 17:02
|
|
|
Armyman25 posted:Stuck watching Fox News at the auto shop this morning. Why do they all have to yell so much? Everyone keeps shouting. Is this to get people to watch or is it because there demographic is hard of hearing? It's not just the content of what they are peddling, it's getting the viewer to feel angry and fearful that makes them more receptive to the message.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 17:14
|
|
|
Necc0 posted:Do you have a source for this? I feel like searching 'nazi gun control policy' isn't going to be very helpful. Gun politics: Associations with authoritarianism quote:Opponents of gun control often state that past totalitarian regimes passed gun control legislation, which was later followed by confiscation, with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany during World War II, as well as some communist states being cited as examples.[138][139][140] They often cite the example of the Nazi regime, claiming that once the Nazis had taken and consolidated their power, they proceeded to implement gun control laws to disarm the population and wipe out the opposition, and the genocide of disarmed Jews, gypsies, and other "undesirables" followed.[141][142][143] Historians have pointed out, however, that the preceding democratic Weimar Republic already had restrictive gun laws, which were actually liberalised by the Nazis when they came to power. According to the Weimar Republic 1928 Law on Firearms & Ammunition, firearms acquisition or carrying permits were “only to be granted to persons of undoubted reliability, and—in the case of a firearms carry permit—only if a demonstration of need is set forth.” The Nazis replaced this law with the Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, which was very similar in structure and wording, but relaxed gun control requirements for the general population. This relaxation included the exemption from regulation of all weapons and ammunition except handguns, the extension of the range of persons exempt from the permit requirement, and the lowering of the age for acquisition of firearms from 20 to 18. It did, however, prohibit manufacturing of firearms and ammunition by Jews.[144] Shortly thereafter, in the additional Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons of November 11, 1938, Jews were forbidden from possession of any weapons at all.[143][144] Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union did not abolish personal gun ownership during the initial period from 1918 to 1929, and the introduction of gun control in 1929 coincided with the beginning of Stalin's rule.[145] the2ndgenesis posted:It's true. Hitler actually rolled back Weimar gun laws for the vast majority of Germans, i.e. non-Jewish ethnic Germans. It's also important to take into account the idea that the Nazis were all about the defense of the Fatherland, so allowing citizens (at least the desirable kind) access to weapons made sense if you were obsessed with fighting a foreign enemy. Armyman25 posted:Stuck watching Fox News at the auto shop this morning. Why do they all have to yell so much? Everyone keeps shouting. Is this to get people to watch or is it because there demographic is hard of hearing? School yard argument rules. Whoever yells the loudest and interrupts the other person the most is the winner. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jan 19, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 17:18
|
|
|
Armyman25 posted:Stuck watching Fox News at the auto shop this morning. Why do they all have to yell so much? Everyone keeps shouting. Is this to get people to watch or is it because there demographic is hard of hearing? Self-righteous bitterness is addictive, and Fox viewers want to see their bitterness confirmed, justified, and acted upon.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2013 20:53
|
|
|
the2ndgenesis posted:It's true. Hitler actually rolled back Weimar gun laws for the vast majority of Germans, i.e. non-Jewish ethnic Germans. I get so sick of that argument too. "Well ok, but everyone but the JEWS. But if they had guns...". John Stewart summed it up well when he showed how the Polish, French and Soviets had guns, but it didn't stop the Germans from invading them and committing genocide against their populations either. gently caress, even the Jews who did fight back unfortunately didn't really do much aside from make a symbolic last stand. I wish these people realized guns are not the be all/end all solutions to problems throughout history that they pretend they are.
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2013 00:50
|
|
|
The argument will eventually morph to "See? The Nazi's picked and chose who they thought should have a gun! JUST LIKE OBAMA!"
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2013 04:35
|
|
|
It freaks me out how the right has been engaging in Holocaust revisionism, and how few alarms that has been setting off.
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2013 06:35
|
|
|
Boondock Saint posted:I get so sick of that argument too. "Well ok, but everyone but the JEWS. But if they had guns...". John Stewart summed it up well when he showed how the Polish, French and Soviets had guns, but it didn't stop the Germans from invading them and committing genocide against their populations either. gently caress, even the Jews who did fight back unfortunately didn't really do much aside from make a symbolic last stand. I wish these people realized guns are not the be all/end all solutions to problems throughout history that they pretend they are. I guess they watched Inglorious Basterds one too many times.
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2013 06:37
|
|
|
Dr Christmas posted:It freaks me out how the right has been engaging in Holocaust revisionism, and how few alarms that has been setting off. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2013 06:40
|
|
|
Dr Christmas posted:It freaks me out how the right has been engaging in Holocaust revisionism, and how few alarms that has been setting off. Can you explain what you mean by that?
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2013 06:47
|
|
|
Ramadu posted:Can you explain what you mean by that? Pretending that Obama's proposed policies, or anything suggested by any other gun control advocate, resembles anything done in Nazi Germany is revising history. While the Nazis did place restrictions on the people they were oppressing, they removed restrictions on others. The stuff early in Obamas first term, with Glenn Beck talking about how Hitler used UHC to execute the disabled, was even more egregious. gently caress, I am just angry at Glenn Beck's success. I feel like Kyle in the South Park episode Cartmanland or the people here.
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2013 12:12
|
|
|
Neil Cavuto knows why so many people are on food stamps: cause it's just too cool NOT to be on them!
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2013 22:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 13:50 |
|
|
Mr Interweb posted:Neil Cavuto knows why so many people are on food stamps: cause it's just too cool NOT to be on them! Scum like Neil Cavuto are quite familiar with the act of shaming the poor for being poor.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2013 01:21
|
|
