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Smasher Dynamo posted:You should use either. Ever. Under any circumstance. And just like that my potential buyer's remorse vanishes.
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gingemidget posted:A (very small) trade! I accept. Swap Buddy Bell in for Edwin Encarnacion. Take Encarnacion out behind the barn and evacuate his skull with a shotgun like Old Yeller.
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kw, will you trade me  Chick Hafey back before you get relegated?
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Chick Hafey goes down with this ship. I have burnt the lifeboats on the RMS Generics.
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 Super-League VIII, Dynamo League Week 17: The Hurt Games of the Week Don May posted:
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Box Score   Hardcore Title: The Myth and the Legend  : I feel depressed all the time. And if the Pessimists win the loving Hardcore Title from the Coburns, I expect that trend to continue. And since the Pessimists are going to win Game 1, that seems like a real possibility. : The Coburns have a couple of nagging injuries in their rotation, meaning they'll need two spot starters in three games. : That's not good, but at least the Coburns will hold onto the Hardcore Title for one more game with a win.: But can they hold on for Game 3? : No, they gently caress it up, and the Pessimists will take the Hardcore Title for the second time.: Sorry, Smasher. : That's fine, because I know that the Bangers aren't going to let them keep it. This will be a series on which all four titles are on the line.: That's right. If either team sweeps, they will hold the Intercontinental, European, United States and Hardcore titles simultaneously. If the Bangers win, but don't sweep, they will win the Hardcore Title. If the Pessimists win, but don't sweep, no titles will change hands.: And the Pessimists win Game 1. If they win all four titles, I'm ending the Super-League. I hate every thing and person from the Bay Area. : Fortunately, the Bangers have my back, and win Game 2. : That means it is impossible for the Pessimists to win anything in the next game. : But they can still lose! Bangers win 5-4, and they will take home their 3rd Hardcore Championship.: Does that make you happy.: No. I thought it would, but it doesn't. And that makes me sad. : Next time, assuming depression doesn't completely get the better of me, will be Bangers-Unspecifieds and then either Bangers-Spooners or Unspecifieds-Bloggers.     Analysis I feel like every few updates, I notice you have Luis Aparicio starting at SS and start to write about how terrible a plan that is, and then I realize you have no other choice.      Analysis Whitey Ford has been sucking, but you don't have much else you can use to fill that hole.      Analysis Imperialism has failed!      Analysis Beyond sabermetrics, beyond hope, beyond sanity, there are the Cancun Tornados.      Analysis Frankie Frisch, the Fordham Failure!      Analysis Yet another winning week.      Analysis Averill can't come back soon enough.      Analysis A bit unlucky, but Alexander will probably end up saving you in the Gauntlet.      Analysis Have you considered praying to Zeus for another starting pitcher.      Analysis Because the Bangers didn't have enough awards already.      Analysis Thanks to the heroic efforts of their subs, the Spooners have finally almost fallen all of the way back to .500!      Analysis A team held togoether by scotch tape, hope, and mendacity can only survive for so long.      Analysis Generics go 5-2 on the week, which will probably end up being the high point of their season.      Analysis Outscored the Dickshots 31-3 in a four-game series? Truly, the Losers are a team without mercy.      Analysis The unluckiest team of them all.      Analysis Can the Bloggers make a comeback? Yeah, probably...like my day wasn't bad enough already. Standings and Leaders      Coming back soon...probably!
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Expansion Cup VIII Minutiae The Mules-Rakers trade is approved. I had to take today off for a whirlwind of real-life E/N bullshit, so the injury report will be up tomorrow and June will be up Sunday. If any of you wish to take advantage of rearranging bullpen/batter numbers like the Postmodernists, please feel free to revise your lineups in the interim.
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I feel like Smasher is apathetic because there is no more football. Sure, there is football on, but neither of us care. It's like having porn that gets you kinda stiff, then you realize it's really not what you're into and give up. Wait, did I just say that?
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And, by the way, since we still have seen part one of Bruzer's book report, it looks like I was right about that too. Good job me.
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kw0134 posted:Brown's been an excellent anchor for my rotation, and 42 year old Clemens, even if it is Clemens, is still a 42 year old. At that age Mogul think he's a shambling corpse. So sorry, no, I'll try my luck with the Gauntlet. Monicro posted:Put Carter back in the lineup, bench Cooper. DL Joss, put Rogers in the bullpen, and call up Oswalt and put him in the rotation.
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mentholmoose posted:Have you given any more thought to trading Joss? I was discussing it with people, but now that I think about it, eh. Theoretically, the point of trading him would be to give my team a better shot at a miracle gauntlet run, but honestly I'd more rather start a new team next EC than maybe make this team not-horrible in the offseason. Still though, everyone should shoot me an offer if you're interested in him because if you happen to be the owner of a Team I Like(tm), I may be much more willing to trade him to you! e: basically  My Team Is Bad
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Let me run this by you guys and potentially gals: If established owners, knowing that they're going down in the Gauntlet, were to trade good players to upcoming EC owners, then there possibly could be a shift in the power balance that would make subsequent EC/SLs more competitive for more teams. I mean, right now, there are a couple of teams that basically own the entire league and everyone else is just fighting to avoid low Gauntlet placement. This will just allow the cycle to continue, as Marauder and ForeverBWFC and toiletofsadness will just make their teams stronger with each draft and trade they make. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't get to keep your stars if you die in the Gauntlet. If you trade them to a team, you at least have the chance to reacquire them in the future if you want. So. Pick an owner who has a promising looking team. Trade them a player or two to improve their chances of changing the power balance in the Super League. Thank you for hearing me out. -cbx
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To any Gauntlet-bound guys who are looking for someone to sponsor a rookie to Super-League greatness: I would very much appreciate(and possibly write some dumb fictional words in a huge effortpost vaguely resembling something straight out of the Annie Mays or Viddie O. Gaims) any guys you want to trade my way, and you'd be helping me tackle Grinnblade and expose his Expansion Rigging for the whole world to see!  Alternatively you should probably give Dubsteppin and the Beard Leaguers some help, because he seems like a cool dude that needs the assistance.
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cbx posted:Let me run this by you guys and potentially gals: That's just redistribution, though. Instead of putting those players in the draft, you're letting outgoing owners pick and choose which new teams they want to succeed. That's great for the teams who are chosen, but it completely fucks over the teams who don't get those players, and can't pick them in the draft. I'm not sure that's really all that fair, because it kind of turns the Super-League into a popularity contest.
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Smasher Dynamo posted:That's just redistribution, though. Instead of putting those players in the draft, you're letting outgoing owners pick and choose which new teams they want to succeed. That's great for the teams who are chosen, but it completely fucks over the teams who don't get those players, and can't pick them in the draft. Who's looking for fair? I'm looking to challenge the status quo.
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Excellent, then you'll be fine with not benefiting. Please send me whatever you would have sent cbx. I have a much better gimmick! And I need the help!
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cbx posted:Who's looking for fair? I'm looking to challenge the status quo. The status quo is that the Super League brutally winnows each expansion class down to the two or so teams capable of being realistic competitors. Just this year, the Barons, Tornadoes, Gumshoes, and arguably Mashers and Bloggers are teams in a position to make the playoffs or at least survive to next year. The Cultists won their division in their first year. The very best teams undergo Macho Man-based attrition. Your plan might change which teams succeed, but it won't change this calculus. It seems frustrating to new teams because most of them are in the 80-90% that will die, but there's no avoiding that inevitable outcome. Honestly, I'm sympathetic to some of these issues, but the system we have now seems like the best compromise. And really, at this point you're just complaining about Marauder. The Losers have only been around for 3 seasons - is that too long to be interesting? If so, should we just kill every team after its second year? No, it seems to me that these complaints always come back to Marauder's teams, and the truth there is that he's been lucky that the Finger-Bangers haven't won the league since Macho-Manning became a thing and that Smasher has still failed to put a good DH team in the Phoenixes' division. In conclusion, we should appreciate what we have, and not try to come up with crazy plans to stack expansion teams in order to "challenge" a largely imaginary "status quo." In several seasons, when the Rakers or Catastrophes or some other expansion team are 16 games ahead of their division, someone will complain about how the old teams are just too good and the cycle will begin anew.
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Smasher Dynamo posted:And, by the way, since we still have seen part one of Bruzer's book report, it looks like I was right about that too. Yes, just because it hasn't happened yet means it's never gonna happen. Of course. You're completely right. 100%. 
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blackmongoose posted:The status quo is that the Super League brutally winnows each expansion class down to the two or so teams capable of being realistic competitors. Just this year, the Barons, Tornadoes, Gumshoes, and arguably Mashers and Bloggers are teams in a position to make the playoffs or at least survive to next year. The Cultists won their division in their first year. The very best teams undergo Macho Man-based attrition. Your plan might change which teams succeed, but it won't change this calculus. It seems frustrating to new teams because most of them are in the 80-90% that will die, but there's no avoiding that inevitable outcome. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about everything. I'm simply introducing an idea to change up the league. The Gauntlet was one such idea back in the day, admittedly it's a much better idea. But change doesn't happen by sitting idle.
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cbx posted:Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about everything. I'm simply introducing an idea to change up the league. The Gauntlet was one such idea back in the day, admittedly it's a much better idea. But change doesn't happen by sitting idle. Yeah, I didn't mean to direct that whole thing at you, my apologies. It's just that the idea reminded me of how we get several complaints about "old teams dominating" (including from me in the past!) and I wanted to write a bit on why I disagree with that now. I don't think there's anything wrong with proposing ideas to tweak the Super League to make it better (though I do think that your idea would just shift power among expansion teams in unpredictable ways, which I'm not sure is a good thing), and I didn't mean to seem like I was trying to shut down ideas. Sorry if I came off a little aggressive!
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I don't see the point when 80% of the expansion class is doomed even with assistance. If the goal is ousting the elites you should assist teams that have been competitive in SL.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:I don't see the point when 80% of the expansion class is doomed even with assistance. If the goal is ousting the elites you should assist teams that have been competitive in SL. The point is to help the new owners gain a foothold in the league and not desert it should a really bad season happen. It's disheartening to put together a good team, and then watch them get relegated a few weeks later due to injuries or lovely rolls or one of the powerhouse teams putting a hurt on them.
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cbx posted:The point is to help the new owners gain a foothold in the league and not desert it should a really bad season happen. It's disheartening to put together a good team, and then watch them get relegated a few weeks later due to injuries or lovely rolls or one of the powerhouse teams putting a hurt on them. This is something I've been thinking about too. The Arguments were never going to be winners, due to the lovely way I built them. But the drafts did add a few good Super League quality players (Clemens, Hartnett, maybe Nen) to the two superstars already present (Mantle and Williams). Add those five to an EC team, or a potential contender already in the SL, and maybe they'd have a chance at really challenging in the SL. As it stands, we'll be eliminated in the first round of the Gauntlet, and they'll get dispersed all over the place, giving a smaller benefit to more teams. Smasher is correct. It's not fair to everyone. But it's the Super-League. Fair doesn't come into it.
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Okay, first of all, updated spreadsheet. I didn't update it for last week's changes, so I'm not positive of the exact new stuff. The rotation is certainly changed, as I'm moving to a 4-man system for a bit. I've changed several sliders relating to subs and pitcher use. I think my lineups and bullpen are unchanged (besides Hendrix as another LR). Second of all, trade offer: does anyone have a righty 1B or 2B who they'd like to move? I've got 1968 Norm Cash, who's taken a little ratings damage for me, but if you're in the EC or Smasher League he'll re-roll. Plus he's been decent for me in what amount he's played, even though he's mostly going against the wrong platoon side. I also have some spare CFs and back-end starters. I'm also looking for top-notch SPs or OFs, but who isn't? Also, as always, I'm willing to trade bench players or marginal pitchers for lottery tickets on EC teams' feeders. Finally, I really don't think that collusion is the best way to help keep new players interested in the SuperLeague. And I'll go ahead and say that I didn't see anyone throwing their support behind tatanka giving me that sweetheart trade, so I'm not so sure that anyone else does either. Smasher's absolutely right that it turns the SL into a popularity contest, and I don't see how it would end up in any other direction than hurt feelings and ultimately everything going to poo poo. Actually, I think the big problem with balance in the league is not that we need to make more teams ultra good, it's that we need ways to keep ultra-good teams from arising. They really throw things out of whack because they not only are built to win a lot of games, but also completely dominate the trade market for marquee players. I personally barely ever bother to make significant trade offers in-thread, because I simply don't have the trade pieces to face any kind of competition from the elite teams. Anyway, this is not to say that things are broken and must change, but that if we do need a change I think it would be much better to try to put some limits on the best teams instead of just adding a few super-elites. Anyway, some ideas that I think are better than "owners facing relegation give away players": 1) Revisiting some of those roster ideas from last season (e.g. a Rule V draft, a DFA system, etc.) to thin out AAA squads. 2) A "franchise player" system: Each owner can designate one Franchise Player per season. This player cannot be traded, but if the owner gets relegated they can bring the player along to their next team. Special players (EC rewards, Yoshida, Rainwater, Oh, maybe Negro Leaguers) could be automatically franchised (or could be the only franchise players allowed). This could help keep relegated owners interested in returning, plus I feel like it plays to the lore of the league. (And yes, I thought of this largely because the idea of Old Hoss playing for another owner makes me distraught.) 3) Players age. Alternately, every player "retires" after appearing on a SL roster for some number of seasons. 4) Some kind of salary cap system (maybe using WhatIfSports player salaries?). In conclusion:  Al McBean
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Mornacale posted:Also, as always, I'm willing to trade bench players or marginal pitchers for lottery tickets on EC teams' feeders. This is the type of deal I'll never not be interested in. Who would be on offer?
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So the standard Late Policy at my college, which I will be using here is this: Bruzer has until Midnight, Super League Time, the day the chapter is due to get a 10% penalty. If he misses this, it's 20% until Midnight the day after, at which point it's 30%, then 40%, then I will not accept it. Resubmissions have 24 Hours from when the fourth person says "no" before it follows on that scale. What this means is that Bruzer, at this time, needs to submit B-quality Work in order to get a D. If he submits after Midnight Super League Time, then A-quality work is required for a D. If he submits after Midnight tomorrow Super League Time, A+-quality Work will be required. This all said, this is just my personal grading rubric. Bruzer is free to say "gently caress you" to my vote and get four others to say yes.
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Mornacale posted:Second of all, trade offer: does anyone have a righty 1B or 2B who they'd like to move? I've got 1968 Norm Cash, who's taken a little ratings damage for me, but if you're in the EC or Smasher League he'll re-roll. Plus he's been decent for me in what amount he's played, even though he's mostly going against the wrong platoon side. I also have some spare CFs and back-end starters.
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Mornacale has some interesting ideas, but they would require a ton of work to implement, and I'm not sure I'm up for that. My feelings on the matter is that the longevity of the elite teams are their reward for building good teams and making good trades. And, even then, the league is already random enough so that it's really hard to build a team like that. Consider the Burma Imperialists. They won their division two seasons in a row. This year, they have the worst record in their division and second-worst in their league. I'm willing to listen to suggestions on how to fix competitive balance issues, but I don't think that letting owners play kingmaker is a good idea. Dynamo League Week 18 Injury Report Antarctica Unspecifieds Rick Aguilera (RP) (Unspecified) - Out for Season Fukuoka Finger-Bangers Earl Battey (C) (Stripped for Spare Parts) - 30 days Rockford Losers Steve Bedrosian (RP) (Bedrockford Bedrosian would be a good nickname....once his shoulder heals) - 12 days Now, let's get to a new page.
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mks5000 posted:I really like the idea of past owners getting to "franchise" a guy to be on their next squad. You want to talk about loving over new owners, I'm pretty sure that taking the best 10 or so players out of every draft class is a way to do it.
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mks5000 posted:I really like the idea of past owners getting to "franchise" a guy to be on their next squad. The Besides, what would you do if an own Franchised a player, and then didn't re-apply after getting relegated? I mean, the timing, as far as I can tell, runs like that: >Start of Super-League Season > Mid-Season (Superdraft, EC Registration), > End of standard Super League and EC Seasons > SL Playoffs/EC Playoffs/Gauntlet > Dispersal Draft > goto 10. Let's say a player gets relegated in the current seasons, Super-League VIII, and that all Gauntlet players Franchised a player on their team. Only the best 2-4 teams out of the Gauntlet run live to survive another day in the Super-League, and there's 20 teams Gauntlet-bound (4 in round 1, 2 in rounds 2-9). Now, their entire team gets relegated except this Franchise Player, so there are theoretically 16-18 Super-League caliber players in limbo, that can't get resolved until halfway through the next season, at best, because you have to see if a player is going to come back with a new team and cash in his Franchise Player. Let's assume, for a ballpark, half the people who got relegated created a new team and cashed in their Franchise Players, which means there are still 6-8 left. These 6-8 have to wait until the following to be recycled back into the Super-League.
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