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SaNChEzZ posted:To be fair, on the driver's side it doesn't look that heinous to have to step over. However, shouldn't there be some kind of bar from the top to the bottom in more of a straight line? The front legs are going to collapse in an accident, the main hoop is unbraced and will also collapse and I cant continue because holy gently caress that is bad. Literally a cage that is worse than no cage at all (as when it collapses guess what is going to hit your head - the cage with no padding!), any scrutineer worth a drat would throw it out of any event as completely unsafe.
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JaysonAych posted:It could just be the way the snow fell or the way it blew off the front, but I'd like to think the driver was thinking, "poo poo, I'm in a big hurry. Just gotta remove the essential bits of snow. A little slit in the windshield so I can see, and then dust off the Audi badge so everyone sees I'm driving an Audi." It's a 2 litre diesel, according to a DVLA lookup, so most likely a sales rep's car. Therefore your theory is probably right.
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I would hope even the worst tech inspector would fail that thing in an instant.
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Octopus Magic posted:
Remove my dashboard from my race car? Naaa, we'll just make the cage fit around it.  Anyone taking bets that it'll just be tack welded to the floorpan, so even if it WAS rigid (which it isn't), it'd just push through the floor in a rollover anyway? vv Fighting chance it's made from a cut up trampoline frame IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jan 22, 2013 |
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Crustashio posted:I would hope even the worst tech inspector would fail that thing in an instant. Self tech drift events seem to be where those tend to show up.
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I'm not a tech inspector and I'd fail it in a heartbeat. What concerns me is the amount of time and effort that was put into building something which obviously (to me and others here at least) has no structural rigidity and is about as safe as a mousetrap. Perhaps they were thinking that because of that side bracing that the bends for the dash were A-OK? The whole cage is a bit of a disaster really and it wouldn't surprise me if it was even made from the wrong type of tubing.
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General_Failure posted:I'm not a tech inspector and I'd fail it in a heartbeat. What concerns me is the amount of time and effort that was put into building something which obviously (to me and others here at least) has no structural rigidity and is about as safe as a mousetrap.
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grover posted:Yeah, it just seems weird that they'd go to all that effort yet do such a horrible design. That's basically what I say to myself every single time I see a "mud truck". Example: 
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kastein posted:That's basically what I say to myself every single time I see a "mud truck". Oh my god if one of those springs escaped...  We have to tell the President.
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Jan 22, 2013 03:29
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kastein posted:That's basically what I say to myself every single time I see a "mud truck". Suspension engineered and built by Acme, Inc.
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A few more pics of the above abortion:  The thread I found googling for "mud truck" to get some terrible things to marvel at: http://forum.highlifter.com/2000-4DOOR-DODGE-DAKOTA-MUD-TRUCK-PROJECT-m4212595.aspx 
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Jan 22, 2013 04:05
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Asking 4500 for it like that 
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Saw the thread. Serious question, what has yokes on both sides of the axle besides semi-trailer trucks?
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Rockwell / "top loader" rearends commonly do. Those are 2.5 ton rockwells - they come from a variety of military surplus cargo trucks commonly purchased by those from the shallow end of the gene pool and fuckstick-fabbed into beautiful creations such as the one I posted. 5 ton rockwells come from the larger 5 ton military cargo trucks, they're basically the same thing but larger in every way. You can tell the two apart by the number of lugs, 2.5 tonners have 6 lugs while 5 tonners have 10. There are a variety of Eaton/Fuller rearends and Rockwell rears built for school buses, dumptrucks, and similar large vehicles that are either toploaders or frontloaders using similar components. Fun trivia: Rockwells are nicknamed after the company that manufactured/manufactures them. This is the same company that made many of the most common v.92 modem chipsets. Japan/Korea doesn't have the only megacorps that do semiconductors and heavy trucks/equipment  There are also some very rare custom Ford 9" housings with a very, very strange setup - they have a pinion bearing housing built into the rear face of the diff housing and a second pinion gear that acts as an output and can be used to drive a rear tandem axle. Torque is applied via the front pinion gear through the ring gear to the axles, while the ring gear also drives the second pinion gear to the next differential. I can't even imagine where you get gearsets for these seeing as ring and pinion sets generally come as a matched pair, and setting them up correctly must be a nightmarish proposition. I can't find any pictures of the one I saw now, believe I saw a thread about it on Pirate4x4 years ago. kastein fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jan 22, 2013 |
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Jan 22, 2013 04:35
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How does the power from the engine get to the wheels?
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It doesn't. And I want to see one of those reinforcement bars (I don't know what they're called) bend on the first speedbump and the whole thing flop over like a slinky.
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kastein posted:A few more pics of the above abortion: I can't stop cracking up at this picture. Holy poo poo.
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Sagebrush posted:I can't stop cracking up at this picture. Holy poo poo. I really, really want those chains to be the only things keeping the axle from flying off. Like some kind of reverse bump stop.
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kastein posted:Rockwell / "top loader" rearends commonly do. Those are 2.5 ton rockwells - they come from a variety of military surplus cargo trucks commonly purchased by those from the shallow end of the gene pool and fuckstick-fabbed into beautiful creations such as the one I posted. So it's essentially a weird geardown and up shuffle putting the stress of both driven axles on the first diff as well? I think I understand why those Ford diffs are rare. Also thanks for the explanation on the diffs used. Military surplus vehicles aren't something I've seen in a very, very long time and I don't even know if we have equivalents here.
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kastein posted:That's basically what I say to myself every single time I see a "mud truck". How the gently caress could anyone possibly think this is a good idea? Thread has quite abruptly truly gone on topic.
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A student posted:How does the power from the engine get to the wheels? What engine? 
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Guinness posted:Asking 4500 for it like that Holy poo poo, the price of scrap metal has gone through the roof!
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Are you seriously trying to tell me that suspension is complete? I assumed components had to have been removed. There's no way you could actually drive it like that (with the engine and driveshaft put back in obviously). Right? 
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Are you seriously trying to tell me that suspension is complete? I assumed components had to have been removed. There's no way you could actually drive it like that (with the engine and driveshaft put back in obviously). Right? I'm sure it would, well, drive until you hit like a pothole or mosquito or something. Actually maybe not, now that I think about it.
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Method Loser posted:I'm sure it would, well, drive until you hit like a pothole or mosquito or something. I think watching the axles torque twist around from the driveshafts and obliterate the suspension with springs flying everywhere would be a real sight.
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Sagebrush posted:I can't stop cracking up at this picture. Holy poo poo. LIKE I SAID IF U DONT WANT TO BUY KEEP UR COMMENTS TO UR SELF THANKS That thread where the truck was found is epic, even though it's mostly the owner of the truck telling everyone to shut the gently caress out about how crappy it is.
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A student posted:How does the power from the engine get to the wheels? Never mind that. How do you get into it?
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Eponine posted:Never mind that. How do you get into it? With a trampoline.
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These.
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Seeing a cage you just know is going to fail in an accident and possibly injure the occupants even more is one of the most cringeworthy things in motorsport today.
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Seeing the base of the cage poking through the floor of that pic is the worst part. Did the driver survive?
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einTier posted:LIKE I SAID IF U DONT WANT TO BUY KEEP UR COMMENTS TO UR SELF THANKS Caps lock really is cruise control for cool 
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Nocheez posted:Seeing the base of the cage poking through the floor of that pic is the worst part. Yeah, I think the high beltline made for better rollover protection  But the cage builder didn't properly box weld / attach the floor mounts which is pretty obvious, and that was the result.
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I've seen that picture before but my understanding was that it only had a roll bar not a cage.
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Here is the full story. That's why I will never trust a cage that isn't built by a professional. That's something you don't just put in yourself over the weekend. Unless you're a pro cage builder.
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A student posted:How does the power from the engine get to the wheels? This truck brings up so many questions. Like, how to you intend to steer the bastard? Is the column going to have a spring too?
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Willfrey posted:This truck brings up so many questions. Like, how to you intend to steer the bastard? Is the column going to have a spring too? TX is pretty awesome for how many ridiculous trucks you see running around. I usually see either F150's with a mild lift and some blacked out rims or I see ridiculous jacked up F250/350's with a crazy lift and massive tires, smokestacks, etc. The nice thing is these are owned by rich kids so they just pay to have someone do all the work and I don't typically see janky rear end lifts. Of course the more rural you go the more sketchy poo poo you start to see, like the one shown above.... It's at the point where a totally stock F150 sticks out to me now as opposed to a lifted one with a giant rear end Browning logo on the back window and "Salt Life" stickers plastered all over the glass.
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kastein posted:There are also some very rare custom Ford 9" housings with a very, very strange setup - they have a pinion bearing housing built into the rear face of the diff housing and a second pinion gear that acts as an output and can be used to drive a rear tandem axle. Torque is applied via the front pinion gear through the ring gear to the axles, while the ring gear also drives the second pinion gear to the next differential. I can't even imagine where you get gearsets for these seeing as ring and pinion sets generally come as a matched pair, and setting them up correctly must be a nightmarish proposition. I can't find any pictures of the one I saw now, believe I saw a thread about it on Pirate4x4 years ago.  Unless I'm picturing this wrong in my head or I'm missing something here, wouldn't the two ring gears be running counter to each other!?I guess there has to be some sort of spider gear setup between the two pinions, right? Talk about failure points...
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You mean second pinion? Yeah, it'd rotate the opposite direction from the first - but presumably this would be paired with a reverse-rotation tandem axle.
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Farmdizzle posted:
nope, just a second pinion gear riding on the same ring gear as the first one. I can't find the pics I saw for some reason.
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