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Mooseontheloose posted:isn't this one of those things that everyone believes is true but if you thought about it doesn't make sense. There is nothing in the law saying congress doesn't have to follow the law. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/08/congress-exempted-from-obamacare/
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:Apologies if this has already been posted (it probably has) I can understand how, but it still boggles my mind that people can read something and not question it even slightly. I'm not saying question the premise, I mean not even wonder about the unsaid stuff. "The president was asked." "Several senators were asked." "It was announced today on the news." I don't even care about the veracity of the other poo poo it's saying, instantly my mind says "Asked by whom? Which senators? When? On what news program?" Not because I distrust the source, but because those are vital questions that should be answered as part of any story or news.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:Try out http://xkcd.com/7/ and see if you gain any insight? Still not getting it. Why should I be outraged that someone drew a picture of a girl sleeping in their high school class? Are you saying his art is juvenile and thus not worth looking at? I have no idea how that picture was supposed to tell me anything. Someone please use words to explain it so I don't have to keep guessing why this is such a common thing among D&D. I feel like I've missed something really obvious, or D&D is hating for no reason.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:Still not getting it. Why should I be outraged that someone drew a picture of a girl sleeping in their high school class? Are you saying his art is juvenile and thus not worth looking at? I have no idea how that picture was supposed to tell me anything. Someone please use words to explain it so I don't have to keep guessing why this is such a common thing among D&D. Weeell, I just picked that since it was the first one I found looking through it. Overall the creepy romance stuff it the most commonly recurring complaint. A random selection just going through sequentially: http://xkcd.com/46/ http://xkcd.com/55/ http://xkcd.com/62/ http://xkcd.com/98/ http://xkcd.com/99/ http://xkcd.com/104/ http://xkcd.com/112/ http://xkcd.com/150/ I think the guy has more or less realized of late that he needs to stick to the charts and nerd puns though. Wrong thread either way.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:Weeell, I just picked that since it was the first one I found looking through it. Overall the creepy romance stuff it the most commonly recurring complaint. A random selection just going through sequentially: Randall being sappy isn't why people typically dislike XKCD, it's because he engages in poo poo like this, which is relevant to this thread, I think:  He contributes to the culture of dismissing the Humanities as claptrap.
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^ exactly Additionally, there's a lot of disdain for people who are not STEM types as well.
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The hopeless romantic stuff I don't mind. I can see why the " my science is holier than other sciences" schtick would turn people off though. It is a pretty minor offense when compared to many other web comics however. Anyway, sorry for the derail. I figured there was more to it than I understood, but I couldn't figure it out on my own.
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A bit off topic but I made this last week in response to a claim that higher gun ownership absolutely leads to lower crime rates - Google Docs Link based on data from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports site for 2011. It's not as damning as showing them the electoral map from 2004, but it goes a long way to put numbers in front of people rather than small pictures of red & blue.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:The hopeless romantic stuff I don't mind. I can see why the " my science is holier than other sciences" schtick would turn people off though. It is a pretty minor offense when compared to many other web comics however. I agree it's a minor offense for a webcomic, but in general terms, I feel like current college-age culture is increasingly dismissive of the humanities. I can't count how many people have wondered why I wasn't getting a "worthwhile" degree because I'm working on history, or who generally regard all humanities as the old "underwater basket weaving" canard, though I've seen it referred to sarcastically as "black feminist rhetoric" lately. Basically it's a dangerous trend and it seems painfully prevalent. All kinds of things these days contribute to it and I think it's clear how that's affected the general culture zeitgeist when you look at e-mails in this very thread, that rely entirely on hearsay and appeals to emotion re: things that can't be easily quantified. They're issues people trained in the humanities are meant to be able to address, so devaluing that training helps perpetuate a pretty specific agenda.
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Someone messaged me this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlAMJfdLhs8 With the standard "SATAN GOD BLAH BLAH 54 MILLION BABIES" Whatever. Old News. However one of the commenters has the best Youtube Channel I've run across. http://www.youtube.com/user/jl1611 This man sets up a pulpit in his bedroom and rants about bible passages, obummer, RFID chips, the devil, abortion, muslim facists. He has it all. So not really a thing my family sent. But a thing from a thing.
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XyloJW posted:I can understand how, but it still boggles my mind that people can read something and not question it even slightly. Well, it was the fact that it came from one of their friends via email or Facebook. The fact that it's in ALL CAPS with lots of exclamation points pretty much seals the deal on its authenticity.
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 I can't find the precise data, and it changes throughout the year. But what I found from July and January of 2012 seems to indicate every part of this is bullshit. Well, that and personal experience.
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XyloJW posted:
You don't need to find precise data to poo poo all over this argument. Another mouth to feed being expensive is exactly why people want access to abortions and birth control.
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They're leaving the little details like the drought last year that hosed up prices all throughout the supply chain for grain and dairy prices (and likely will again this year), coupled with inflation, and that more countries and importing products from the US (leading to increased prices). Basic link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/9561143/World-on-track-for-record-food-prices-within-a-year-due-to-US-drought.html If nothing else, prices are higher now simply because the economy is no longer in free fall (like when gas was $1.87/gallon when Obama took office after hitting >$4.00/gallon earlier in the year under Bush) and prices have increased as a result.
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Snoggle posted:You don't need to find precise data to poo poo all over this argument. Another mouth to feed being expensive is exactly why people want access to abortions and birth control. That's a huge argument that won't go anywhere, though. Being able to slap down "Those numbers are made up by neo-nazis" is much simpler. duffmensch posted:They're leaving the little details like the drought last year that hosed up prices all throughout the supply chain for grain and dairy prices (and likely will again this year), coupled with inflation, and that more countries and importing products from the US (leading to increased prices). Well, the data I found showed that milk was cheaper, but hamburger was more expensive, and a mixed bunch of results, but with numbers all roughly the same. None of them have a $4 disparity, and none of them have potatoes at 30 cents a pound. I think the numbers are made up, is what I'm saying, or taken from something bizarre like someone's personal receipts.
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And yes it was high quality rice. And examining the cost of groceries it's just all false. Even the local dairy farm with organic out the rear end is not even $2.50/gal for whole milk
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I bought a 25lb bag of rice last year and it was $21... Its 4-something a gallon of milk where I live. The problem really is the drought, and therefore corn prices. The price of corn feed directly affects the price of dairy.
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Grayly Squirrel posted:Its 4-something a gallon of milk where I live. The problem really is the drought, and therefore corn prices. The price of corn feed directly affects the price of dairy. And there's the biggest problem with these numbers. There's nothing saying that the 2008 numbers are from the same location, same store, or same brand of the product (and I'd nearly be willing to wager they're not averages at all). A lot of these supposed "it used to cost $X, now it's $Y, so the President is bad" types of things are based on the lowest price from <earlier year> and the highest price from now, even if it means looking at store-brand cereal in a place with the lowest COL and organic locovore cereal from a boutique neo-bodega or whatever.
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Sounds like what women are really interested in is halting commodity futures manipulation and researching new ways to mitigate the effects of climate change. An Interesting Graphic.
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XyloJW posted:
I like that this also implies that grocery shopping is a woman's responsibility.
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:Apologies if this has already been posted (it probably has) Do people not realize that the bill actually exists and you can look and see if what someone is saying to you is true, or is this one of those "area man passionate defender of what he thinks Constitution says" things where people just stick their head in the sand and pretend their version of reality is anywhere close to accurate? Section 1312, Subsection (d)(3)(D): MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.— (i) REQUIREMENT — Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are— (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act). I'm not finding much on what sort of coverage sitting President's receive, though former President's who serve two terms are able to enroll in the same plans as all Federal employees. This implementation timeline for PPACA is possibly the best thing ever though in terms of visually seeing what's coming when and how it applies, so maybe just link that back after explaining Congress isn't exempt from PPACA. I did learn during my searches that they just reinstated lifetime Secret Service protection for former Presidents a few days ago. 
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Mo_Steel posted:Do people not realize that the bill actually exists and you can look and see if what someone is saying to you is true, or is this one of those "area man passionate defender of what he thinks Constitution says" things where people just stick their head in the sand and pretend their version of reality is anywhere close to accurate? That's a helpful link, I'll post any response I get. If I do get a response, the thread should enjoy it.
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Grayly Squirrel posted:Its 4-something a gallon of milk where I live. The problem really is the drought, and therefore corn prices. The price of corn feed directly affects the price of dairy.
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XyloJW posted:
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thefncrow posted:My guess is that those 2 maps are probably both Bush maps, maybe even the same year, just that the one on the right is using multiple shades of red/blue for how strong the win was and the one on the left is just using red and blue.
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CB_Tube_Knight posted:I like how this insinuates that women are just home makers in charge of grocery lists and driving their people carrier around...  ?
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CB_Tube_Knight posted:I like how this insinuates that women are just home makers in charge of grocery lists and driving their people carrier around... How dare you say there's some kinda war on women, that's so wrong! Anyway you broads REALLY should worry about food prices, how will you go to market and make sandwiches then?!
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I remember someone used to have a heavily linked/sourced post about all the stupid poo poo Ron Paul has done, said or stands for. Does anyone have it handy? I have a Facebook contact saying that Democrats/Liberals should be throwing their support behind Ron Paul because Obama signed the NDAA, has not stopped drone-striking people, pulled out of Iraq 2 years longer than Bush's timeline, has not pulled out of Afghanistan and has not closed Gitmo. Ron Paul will supposedly do all this, and for that we should all vote Libertarian and I think I'm going have an aneurysm.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I remember someone used to have a heavily linked/sourced post about all the stupid poo poo Ron Paul has done, said or stands for. Does anyone have it handy? I suppose you could point out that Ron Paul is neither a libertarian nor a candidate for office and start there.
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So today's picture of the day is Charles Whitman with a caption about how he wasn't using an AR15 with 30 round clips, but a bolt action Remington 700. I pointed out he also had about 8 other guns, 700 rounds, multiple 15-30 round clips, marine training, obvious mental health issues, and a brain tumor.
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Fandyien posted:I agree it's a minor offense for a webcomic, but in general terms, I feel like current college-age culture is increasingly dismissive of the humanities. I can't count how many people have wondered why I wasn't getting a "worthwhile" degree because I'm working on history, or who generally regard all humanities as the old "underwater basket weaving" canard, though I've seen it referred to sarcastically as "black feminist rhetoric" lately. Basically it's a dangerous trend and it seems painfully prevalent. All kinds of things these days contribute to it and I think it's clear how that's affected the general culture zeitgeist when you look at e-mails in this very thread, that rely entirely on hearsay and appeals to emotion re: things that can't be easily quantified. They're issues people trained in the humanities are meant to be able to address, so devaluing that training helps perpetuate a pretty specific agenda. I think with a little research you will find that this is not a new sentiment at all and that it is not necessarily more prevalent today than it was one hundred years ago. Pretty much any discipline that attempts to speak towards humanities vulnerabilities will be met with massive amounts of hostility and aggression by those least receptive to it.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I remember someone used to have a heavily linked/sourced post about all the stupid poo poo Ron Paul has done, said or stands for. Does anyone have it handy? andrew smash posted:I suppose you could point out that Ron Paul is neither a libertarian nor a candidate for office and start there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul Seriously, that's all you got to say. He's retired. He's not running for anything anymore. Tell him to come back when they find another libertarian messiah.
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XyloJW posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul Seriously, that's all you got to say. He's retired. He's not running for anything anymore. Tell him to come back when they find another libertarian messiah. They have Rand Paul and Paul Ryan
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Have you talked to libertarians? They are really really split on Rand Paul and Paul Ryan because they're both war hawks of one degree or another. They both have tons of baggage that Ron Paul didn't (to libertarians). You may find one or two who will defend them, but not with the zeal that they did for Ron.
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XyloJW posted:Have you talked to libertarians? They are really really split on Rand Paul and Paul Ryan because they're both war hawks of one degree or another. They both have tons of baggage that Ron Paul didn't (to libertarians). You may find one or two who will defend them, but not with the zeal that they did for Ron. Oh. My mistake. I just assumed they loved Rand since he is the son of their god. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jan 23, 2013 |
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This is awesome, thank you.
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bobkatt013 posted:Oh. My mistake. I just assumed they loved Pand since he is the son of their god. Gary Johnson and Jon Huntsman have way more widespread backing in the Libertarian party than Rand Paul or Paul Ryan, you just hear about the Pand fanboys more because they're batshit insane.
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