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There was at least the perception that, in 2008, Hillary was more hawk-ish than Obama. I think that perception has long since left almost anyone who has been paying even the slightest bit of attention.
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notthegoatseguy posted:There was at least the perception that, in 2008, Hillary was more hawk-ish than Obama. I think that perception has long since left almost anyone who has been paying even the slightest bit of attention. I think that perception might have been fueled by Hillary going out of her way to look as hawkish as possible and running ads smearing Obama as soft and unable to make The Tough Decisions.
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We (you) might also have had a public option, depending on whether you attribute the abandonment of the idea to Rahm and premature sugar-coating.
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Ogmius815 posted:I think that perception might have been fueled by Hillary going out of her way to look as hawkish as possible and running ads smearing Obama as soft and unable to make The Tough Decisions. Who could forget the brilliant "3 AM phone call" ad, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg which made it clear to everyone, that no one was more qualified to answer the phone than Hillary Clinton... wait, what?
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ufarn posted:We (you) might also have had a public option, depending on whether you attribute the abandonment of the idea to Rahm and premature sugar-coating. Prior to joining the Obama White House, Rahm Emanuel was closer to the Clintons than he was to Obama. He would have likely ended up a senior adviser either way.
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Jan 24, 2013 00:47
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Joementum posted:The biggest policy difference between Hillary and Obama is that she thought an individual healthcare mandate would be necessary and he was opposed to the idea. Look at how well that one turned out for us!
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Jan 24, 2013 01:58
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Biden and Cuomo might both be used car salesmen, but Biden would sell me a clean 'vette and Cuomo would hawk nothing but the same Plymouth Acclaim with sawdust in the gearbox and a leaky oil pan.
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Jan 24, 2013 14:46
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John Kerry is currently quoting Henry Kissinger in his Senate confirmation hearings  You can watch them here: http://www.c-span.org/Events/Confirmation-Hearing-for-Sen-John-Kerry-as-Secretary-of-State/10737437516/ edit: Oops, meant this for the transition thread. Joementum fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jan 24, 2013 |
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Jan 24, 2013 16:53
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Looooove it
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Looks like Christie is going to get some of that Silicon Valley dough:quote:"Mark and Priscilla have worked closely with Governor Christie on education reform in the Newark school system," said Sarah Feinberg, a spokesperson for Facebook. "They admire his leadership on education reform and other issues and look forward to continuing their important work together on behalf of Newark's schoolchildren. Mark and Priscilla are happy to host him at their home to support his reelection." ~ http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/mark-zuckerberg-will-hold-fundraiser-for-chris-chr Chris Christie: "a leader on education reform". Wonder if the unionized teachers agree.
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Aatrek posted:Looooove it Guessing this is the front page of FoxNation's website? Oh, wait...it's not racist enough. Probably just Fox proper.
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Alter Ego posted:Guessing this is the front page of FoxNation's website? This made me curious what FoxNation's take was, and I had to post this because this was their lead splash:   Clinton stuff was buried in the page: 
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Alter Ego posted:Guessing this is the front page of FoxNation's website?
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Azram Legion posted:Thanks! I couldn't figure out if they were honest compliments, or the kind of underhanded "... because then a black guy wouldn't be president!" I've come to expect from republicans. Guess they were sort of both, really. Clintonites tended to be even more skeptical about pushing legislation through congress. It's conceivable the stimulus bill might have been even smaller. OTOH, the Clintons have more experience pushing things through congress, and they might have been able to push through a stronger health care bill and cap and trade legislation. And they would have probably done a better job selling it. Maybe the biggest change would be that the 2010 election disaster may not have happened. That hosed us for years to come. theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jan 24, 2013 |
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Jan 24, 2013 19:32
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By the way, I'd totally support John Kerry if he ran again. I think he's been unfairly tarnished by his 2004 run, which I think was handled better than commonly perceived. At the very least he probably learned from his mistakes.
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Jan 24, 2013 19:36
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I'd like to see Franken run, but that's sooooo not gonna happen.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:I'd like to see Franken run, but that's sooooo not gonna happen. If only for the debates.
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theblackw0lf posted:Maybe the biggest change would be that the 2010 election disaster may not have happened. That hosed us for years to come.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:I'd like to see Franken run, but that's sooooo not gonna happen. Franken keeps popping up in Iowa so I wouldn't totally count it out, although so does Klobuchar. It's nice to have the neighboring state excuse.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:I'd like to see Franken run, but that's sooooo not gonna happen.
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Anyone have a good summary of Secretary Clinton's testimony at the Benghazi hearing?
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Armyman25 posted:Anyone have a good summary of Secretary Clinton's testimony at the Benghazi hearing? Senators: "What the hell?" Clinton: "We messed up, but we tried real hard, and we're sorry things seemed so confusing. We don't like that people got killed. We're still trying hard to fix things." Rand Paul, John McCain: "gently caress you." Here's CNN's live blog of the hearing from yesterday: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/23/clinton-faces-grilling-on-benghazi-attack/
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Armyman25 posted:Anyone have a good summary of Secretary Clinton's testimony at the Benghazi hearing?  "You aren't taking enough responsibility for Benghazi!" "I've taken full responsibility for Benghazi from the beginning.""Both you and Obama need to get down on your knees and grovel to America!""I'm not going to do that.""Alright, well then you need to give us a vicarious play by play of exactly how everyone died, and what their last words were, and who killed them, and why the attackers fired, and what they were doing before they attacked.""You're a terrible person.""See Fox News! This is why I should be president!"It really doesn't get any more in-depth than that. The whole thing is a political stunt that's based on Clinton being "weak on terror". Kaal fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jan 24, 2013 |
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Thanks! I'm watching it on C-Span's website and it's pretty painful to sit through.
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Aatrek posted:Senators: "What the hell?" Kaal posted:
And then various republicans rush to Fox News to say Clinton was deranged and faking her grief over the deaths of people she'd worked with personally.
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Joementum posted:I'm interested to see if anyone will use his comments about the OBL raid against him. He thought it was a bad idea and advised Obama not to do it. This seems like it could easily be turned around in Biden's favor, something like "I felt that in 2008 I was prepared to be President, but now after eight years with Obama, I've learned a great deal and feel like I am more prepared than ever." He doesn't even have to mention OBL. He's already been talking that event up in his 2012 speeches, so I think he'd be prepared to throw it back in anyone's face should they confront him about it.
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Trast posted:And then various republicans rush to Fox News to say Clinton was deranged and faking her grief over the deaths of people she'd worked with personally. I'm waiting to see if any right-wing commentators or interviewees describe her as "hysterical." That'd be the best/worst.
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Lest we forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qgWH89qWks
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jeffersonlives posted:Franken keeps popping up in Iowa so I wouldn't totally count it out, although so does Klobuchar. It's nice to have the neighboring state excuse. Not happening any time soon, if ever (and I doubt ever). Franken shows up in Iowa because its close and because Harkin is there and is in cycle now - Franken does a lot of fundraising for other Democratic Senators, since he's a better draw than most of the rest of them.
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Kalman posted:Not happening any time soon, if ever (and I doubt ever). Franken shows up in Iowa because its close and because Harkin is there and is in cycle now - Franken does a lot of fundraising for other Democratic Senators, since he's a better draw than most of the rest of them. Franken's a 61 year old senator with high name recognition, good popularity amongst Democrats, and strong fundraising. He probably will end up not running at the end of the day because a lot more people think about running than actually do end up running, but he's absolutely going to think about it at some point in the next two and a half years, because everyone in his position does.
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Aatrek posted:Looooove it Whoa, she's really nearsighted.
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Azram Legion posted:Could you guys give some context for those quotes, for those of us that don't follow US politics (as) closely? I'm having a hard time understanding exactly why they'd say that - what the angle is, so to say. Aside from everything mentioned above, Barack Obama is a black man. This doesn't go over well with some members of Congress.
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ReidRansom posted:Whoa, she's really nearsighted. She's in her mid 60's.
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She was wearing "special glasses" because of "lingering issues" due to the concussion, i.e. double vision.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Prior to joining the Obama White House, Rahm Emanuel was closer to the Clintons than he was to Obama. He would have likely ended up a senior adviser either way. So, yeah, Rahm was playing the fairweather game and as soon as it was clear to him which horse had a better shot, he switched from Clintonite allegiance mode to Chicago allegiance mode, all of which are disguises for Rahm allegiance mode.
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Oh lord. It's poo poo like this why Pierce calls Politico Tigerbeat on the Potomac.
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I've highlighted my favorite part of that article.quote:The outgoing-secretary of state — rumored to be considering a 2016 run of her own — and Obama will tape the interview at the White House with CBS News’s Steve Kroft, sources told POLITICO’s Mike Allen. There are rumors that Hillary will run in 2016? Oh go on, Politico! 
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Brigadier Sockface posted:Oh lord. It's poo poo like this why Pierce calls Politico Tigerbeat on the Potomac. Politico REALLY hates Joe Biden. Personally, I don't know how or why--even if you're not the biggest fan of his politics, Joe's an unimpeachably good person.
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Alter Ego posted:Politico REALLY hates Joe Biden.
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