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blargle
Apr 3, 2007

Seat Safety Switch posted:

Entirely possible. A lot of the 08+ cars seem to have really weak batteries from the factory; there's a handful of '11s in the local club who have had to replace the factory battery already and it hasn't gotten much colder than -30°C this year.

What oil are you running?

Rotella 5w40. The car is even garaged and it doesn't get under freezing.

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Slow is Fast
Dec 25, 2006

I have had my RS since 05 or 06? When we bought it the rinky dink dealer found a "good" battery and dropped it in. A lovely car quest one. nearly 8 years later I'm still using the battery and it only dies if the car has sat for a bit. I'll replace it before racing this spring, but holy hell that thing has lasted.

chrisgt
Sep 6, 2011

:getin:
My GL has a factory 04 Subaru battery in it I got when a friend decided he needed some expensive ricetop AGM thing. He wasted his money, because that battery starts my car up just fine in the coldest of weather.
A battery that only lasts 3 years, even in a cold climate (I live in one!) is pure poo poo.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug
All of my batteries, even the $45 factory second ones that I get from an unmarked store in an industrial park, have lasted at least six years.

I'm actually sort of surprised at how eager the tiny little AGM battery in the trunk of my Miata is to start the car in -20. OK GREAT LET'S GO :3:

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003
I just put in one of those fancy AGM batteries in my wagon last night. :3

Mornings were becoming a battle of "Use the defrost and discharge the battery or can't see poo poo"

Beverly Cleavage
Jun 22, 2004

I am a pretty pretty princess, watch me do my pretty princess dance....
does your wagon have a voltmeter? Currently, I have no clue how mine is doing, but it can't be great. I'm trying to track down a dealer for exides around here...

Amandyke
Nov 27, 2004

A wha?
I've got Costco batteries in my cars. No complaints this far and if it does die, I have the Costco warranty to fall back on.

blk
Dec 19, 2009
.
Autoblog reviews the new Forester XT with CVT: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/25/2014-subaru-forester-xt-first-drive-review/#continued :suicide:

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

ssjonizuka posted:

does your wagon have a voltmeter?

No, but I have one.


I swung by my old parts store and borrowed their portable battery tester. Just run through a few steps in the parking lot and spits out charging info.


But if you really want to know at home, stick a voltmeter across your battery terminals and start loading up the electrical system (heater, lights, etc).

You can also remove your battery and bring it into parts stores that offer a free battery check. You're only four 10mm nuts (two hold downs, two terminal nuts) away from pulling the battery.

Faerunner
Dec 31, 2007

Still not as cool as our first gen.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

So take everything that made the 04 such a ridiculously good car and throw it out the window? An a goddamn loving CVT to boot? And how much does the goddamn loving thing weigh???? Two HUNDRED kgs more than the 04.

And the fuel economy numbers? Exactly what I used to get in the 04.

There's no hope for the next WRX at all.

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh
I mentioned it in another thread, but my dad used to have a 2000 forester 4EAT and that was a nice car to drive. Good visibility, easy to park, TONS of cargo space and good ground clearance. Best of all it just felt like a taller car. Now he has a 2012 and I loving hate driving that thing when I'm home. It is absolutely awful to see out of and drives/feels like an SUV. I'd love the first XT but they 5spd ones are still north of 10k here.

Crustashio fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jan 26, 2013

mulligan
Jul 4, 2008

I typed random avatar and this happened.

Cat Terrist posted:

So take everything that made the 04 such a ridiculously good car and throw it out the window? An a goddamn loving CVT to boot? And how much does the goddamn loving thing weigh???? Two HUNDRED kgs more than the 04.

And the fuel economy numbers? Exactly what I used to get in the 04.

There's no hope for the next WRX at all.

Let's not abandon hope for the WRX just yet, it'll probably have a manual... What I am worried about is the next Legacy GT, I just want a new version of my current 05'... just more comfortable, more reliable, better gas and at least AS good looking.

Splinter
Jul 4, 2003
Cowabunga!
I'm due for a timing belt on my LGT and I'm not planning on doing the work myself. What else should I have replaced at the same time? Should I buy a kit (Gates?) or just go with what my mechanic stocks?

Splinter
Jul 4, 2003
Cowabunga!

mulligan posted:

next Legacy GT
Pretty sure Subaru already announced they're discontinuing the LGT (at least in the US)

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

So I'm new to Subaru (and still a car beginner in general) and I'm looking for a daily driver. I really like the look/idea of a Legacy. Is there any info anywhere on what the best years are and what specifically to watch out for etc before I start trawling Craigslist and local ads for a good deal?

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Just drove my 2012 Impreza 3 hours up to the mountains. The temperature was 21F when I left, and 5F when I arrived. And it snowed today. No problems with the trip, aside from the stock Yokohama's being terrible. But when I pulled into the driveway, I got all of these weird metal creaking sounds, like an old rusty mattress being pulled apart. I have no idea what this could possibly be. It sounded suspension related, but also made noise when I turned the wheel. I don't know if everything was just full of ice or what.

After I unloaded the car, I moved it and there were no weird noises.

FogHelmut fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Jan 26, 2013

Faerunner
Dec 31, 2007
Warm metal cooling?

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Probably just snow and ice getting crammed into all the suspension parts and such.

My car is way too low to be driving around in Montana so I'm constantly chipping snow out of the wheel wells to keep it from rubbing.

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
This may be a dumb suggestion, but the traction control sort of sounds like an old mattress being torn apart.

Alpine Mustache
Jul 11, 2000

I have a 2008 Legacy, and a couple times this past week the Cruise light has started to blink, with no CEL coming on. Both times it happened, I had the cruise control set for about 5 minutes before it dropped out and the cruise light began blinking.

It hasn't happened when i wasn't in cruise, but its only happened twice so far.

Does anyone know what it might mean?

Slow is Fast
Dec 25, 2006

What should I do about the charcoal box on the rally car?

Do I delete it and ignore the CEL and deal with the lovely pump clicking off every two seconds?

Is there a bypass I can do to make things happy?

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Thinking about suspension stuff for my 06 Saabaru. For a DD, would I really not want the subframe lockdown stuff or ALK? I really only want the car to corner a bit flatter and don't want to lower it really. I was thinking a RSB, possibly a front and a nice set of wheels/tires. Do the other things mentioned really make that much difference for a car I DD? I like everything is does now except the body roll, fyi.

Slow is Fast
Dec 25, 2006

Larrymer posted:

Thinking about suspension stuff for my 06 Saabaru. For a DD, would I really not want the subframe lockdown stuff or ALK? I really only want the car to corner a bit flatter and don't want to lower it really. I was thinking a RSB, possibly a front and a nice set of wheels/tires. Do the other things mentioned really make that much difference for a car I DD? I like everything is does now except the body roll, fyi.

Tokico D Specs and STi springs. Lateral link and trailing arm bushings, and ALK or STi control arms with the pin trick.

That package + an aggressive alignment will give you a perfect setup for ground pounding and can take some abuse.

The sti springs may give you a little bit of drop, but I have been fine with it on at least 600 miles of logging roads.

Sway bars are a bandaid solution and bushings are more consistent.

Poke around turn in concepts and talk to Jamal. He is good at spending my money for me.

CT/jamal argue about the ALK vs sti arms, it's been around in this thread. I've got an ALK on my legacy, and I have sti arms waiting to go in on my RS. I see both of their points. YMMV

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Slow is Fast posted:

Tokico D Specs and STi springs. Lateral link and trailing arm bushings, and ALK or STi control arms with the pin trick.

That package + an aggressive alignment will give you a perfect setup for ground pounding and can take some abuse.


The sti springs may give you a little bit of drop, but I have been fine with it on at least 600 miles of logging roads.

Sway bars are a bandaid solution and bushings are more consistent.

Poke around turn in concepts and talk to Jamal. He is good at spending my money for me.

CT/jamal argue about the ALK vs sti arms, it's been around in this thread. I've got an ALK on my legacy, and I have sti arms waiting to go in on my RS. I see both of their points. YMMV

Thanks for the response. I think you missed what I was asking though. It's just a DD, not going to track it or do anything crazy and I don't want any increase in NVH or anything like that from a stiffer suspension. It's already about as stiff as I'd want it, I believe it's a bit stiffer than a standard WRX wagon. Maybe I'd do an auto x for fun once in awhile at best. Seems like a lot of stuff especially when I'm not looking to spend a ton of money on it.

Also I don't get how sway bars are a band aid when on every other car I've ever had they reduced the body roll... which is what I'm looking for. :confused:

Edit: ok, read a bit on TiC's site. Still not sure where to go from here.

Suburban Dad fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jan 27, 2013

blk
Dec 19, 2009
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Larrymer posted:

Thinking about suspension stuff for my 06 Saabaru. For a DD, would I really not want the subframe lockdown stuff or ALK? I really only want the car to corner a bit flatter and don't want to lower it really. I was thinking a RSB, possibly a front and a nice set of wheels/tires. Do the other things mentioned really make that much difference for a car I DD? I like everything is does now except the body roll, fyi.

I've been thinking about the same thing my 06 Saabaru. We should compare notes. Which bars are you looking at?

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
The ALK is probably my favorite part. You will get a thunk under your feet but it's something I just got used to, and there is a comfort version with a softer bushing that might be right for you. The saabaru already has aluminum control arms but they are not the wide track/high caster variety that are on the 04-06 sti.

The lock bolts don't add much noise. Maybe a little more whine from the diff but keeping that crossmember in place is a good thing (but you should make sure your x-member doesn't already have solid mounts because some cars do). There are still a lot of bushings back there that flex, and unfortunately I don't know how the TIC comfort bushings ride (I think daslog has a set). I have the stiffer ones and they definitely added a good amount of nvh.

It's hard to go wrong with a mild swaybar upgrade (like 22mm front and rear). The car will be flatter, more resposnive, and better balanced with hardly any tradeoff.

The other thing is that after 6-7 years the struts are pretty much gone. The d-specs are nice but went way up in price about a year ago and are not meant for wagons. The alignment can be fixed but since the struts are made for a wider track you end up with a slight amount of binding especially in the rear. So my suggestion would be the konis, which are a little more work to install but cost less and actually fit right. Shock are really important and with good ones you can have stiffer springs without much penalty in ride quality. And then while they are out it's a good idea to replace the front strut tops, so really it all comes down to how much you want to spend.


The swaybars are probably something you'll want no matter what, aren't that expensive, and are easy to install. So definitely get those, and then you can add stuff from there.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug
The Konis do make an enormous improvement. I have the comfort ALK (which is awesome), subframe lock bolts, a handful of bushings and RaceComp Engineering wagon springs on my '06 WRX.

One of the best bang for the buck improvements I've noticed on my own WRX was picking up an aftermarket rear strut tower bar; although it's usually rice in the sedans it actually improves the wagons because the fold-down rear seat offers no bracing of its own. On sticky RS3s and autocross loads I was torquing the body hard enough to scrape the bottom of the hatch against the bumper, which was starting to rust. With the STI strut tower bar in the back it's much more planted and doesn't make the same awful noises under heavy load.

Next up on mine is 22mm swaybars and the roll centre kit that I bought from jamal oh so long ago. If I had to do it again I would have started with swaybars and then added the ALK.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Seat Safety Switch posted:

The Konis do make an enormous improvement. I have the comfort ALK (which is awesome), subframe lock bolts, a handful of bushings and RaceComp Engineering wagon springs on my '06 WRX.

One of the best bang for the buck improvements I've noticed on my own WRX was picking up an aftermarket rear strut tower bar; although it's usually rice in the sedans it actually improves the wagons because the fold-down rear seat offers no bracing of its own. On sticky RS3s and autocross loads I was torquing the body hard enough to scrape the bottom of the hatch against the bumper, which was starting to rust. With the STI strut tower bar in the back it's much more planted and doesn't make the same awful noises under heavy load.

Next up on mine is 22mm swaybars and the roll centre kit that I bought from jamal oh so long ago. If I had to do it again I would have started with swaybars and then added the ALK.

The problem with rear bars in a wagon is that it reduces the wagonness.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug
Right. I also fitted Paranoid Fabrications' quick release to the rear bar, which lets me pop the little bastard out and throw cargo in where it used to be.

Whiteline will also sell you a kit for it (but I was unable to get a reply from them about whether their quick release also worked for the STI bar).

You're up poo poo creek if you want, say, an Oswald triangle brace though.

The only long term problem I've had is that the stock Koni knob doesn't reach all the way to the adjustment tab properly; I've been working on 3D printing a replacement for it that should.

Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jan 27, 2013

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




The thing I really like about my car is how quiet and how good of a DD it is. I actually like the Saab version better as it has more sound deadening and lame stuff like that. I don't want a bunch of "race car" parts that make it ride hard or make it louder, or add clunks to it. Yep, I've gotten old. :corsair:

blk posted:

I've been thinking about the same thing my 06 Saabaru. We should compare notes. Which bars are you looking at?

:hfive:

I've been looking at a bunch of different ones. I like the adjustability of the ones that have it but haven't gotten much farther so far. I still need to search around for which would give me the stiffness I'd like, since a 22mm hollow bar is a lot different than a 22mm solid bar. I don't know which ones on the market are solid vs. hollow either yet. Statements that say "get a 22mm for front and rear" aren't very helpful when that little detail would completely change the stiffness of the bar. Off to nasioc to read up some more. :suicide:

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
The only hollow bars are cobb and RCE, which are 25mm. That is the equivalent of about a 22-23mm solid bar. I've seen a couple of broken cobb bars and RCE only does STi and new WRX fitment (I think). So what I mean is 22mm whiteline bars. You can save a bit by going with a non-adjustable front.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Hmmm. Interesting.

Suburban Dad fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jan 28, 2013

wilkenm
Jan 6, 2005
Well, I ignored common sense and placed an order for a 2013 WRX STI hatchback today. The standard WRX would have been plenty, but what the hell, you only live once, right? Unfortunately, it's about a 3 month wait for an ordered car, and my current lease is up in 2 months. A month of motorcycle-only transportation will be interesting.

Rontalvos
Feb 22, 2006

Alpine Mustache posted:

I have a 2008 Legacy, and a couple times this past week the Cruise light has started to blink, with no CEL coming on. Both times it happened, I had the cruise control set for about 5 minutes before it dropped out and the cruise light began blinking.

It hasn't happened when i wasn't in cruise, but its only happened twice so far.

Does anyone know what it might mean?

This happened to me this summer in a friend's car. Her CVT was overheating because she kept putting the cruse control at 80mph with a 20mph headwind for several hours.

Dielectric
May 3, 2010
I've got cruise issues too, on my '07 Forester. After some number of brake actuations, the cruise light starts blinking. Cruise doesn't set at all. At one point I had to replace the brake pedal switch because it wouldn't always shift out of P because of the interlock. I pulled the switch apart and one of the contacts was burned, so I probably really need to do some further troubleshooting. The worrying thing is that when that contact goes, the brake lights don't come on!

Mercury Ballistic
Nov 14, 2005

not gun related
My new-to-me 2009 WRX has what sounds like a bathtub full of water hiding under the passenger seat. I only hear it after the car has sat in the rain all night, and after a day it vanishes. I assume water is collecting somewhere, but a quick look at the trim panels under the doors revealed nothing. Anyone else have this issue?

Second, my wife drives a 2004 WRX, and at 88K I was starting to look into doing the Timing Belt Service on my own. I have done the brakes, changed coolant, transmission oil, engine oil, brake fluid and spark plugs. Is the timing belt/waterpump/tensioner/idlers doable for someone like me with limited experience?

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

Mercury Ballistic posted:

My new-to-me 2009 WRX has what sounds like a bathtub full of water hiding under the passenger seat. I only hear it after the car has sat in the rain all night, and after a day it vanishes. I assume water is collecting somewhere, but a quick look at the trim panels under the doors revealed nothing. Anyone else have this issue?
The sunroof drain hose comes out in front of that general area (closer to the front wheelwell if not in front of it), you should hop under there and go take a look and see if it's plugged.

Alpine Mustache
Jul 11, 2000

Rontalvos posted:

This happened to me this summer in a friend's car. Her CVT was overheating because she kept putting the cruse control at 80mph with a 20mph headwind for several hours.

Happened again today twice.
I'm not getting a CEL or the AT Temp warning lights, just the blinking cruise light, and it has so far only happened after using Cruise for a few minutes.
Trying to google this is a PITA because so far everything is Cruise + CEL.

Am I gonna have to get this scanned for a code or something?

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Mercury Ballistic
Nov 14, 2005

not gun related

Seat Safety Switch posted:

The sunroof drain hose comes out in front of that general area (closer to the front wheelwell if not in front of it), you should hop under there and go take a look and see if it's plugged.

No sunroof if that matters.

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