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You are being petty in semantics, but then again the actual court ruling was also petty in semantics, so it's probably appropriate.
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Point out that the ruling itself tosses out the Constitution. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/business/court-rejects-recess-appointments-to-labor-board.html?_r=0 It goes far beyond Obama's "You're in recess, even if not technically" thing. The ruling effectively gets rid of recess appointments entirely, because the Constitution was written when it could take weeks for Senators to arrive in Washington from farflung colonies. E: Also, point out that it's an appeals court ruling, which will be appealed also. It means nothing.
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I would be correct in saying it's the Supreme Court that truly decides what is Constitutional right? I just want to make sure before I finish this post.
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SalTheBard posted:I would be correct in saying it's the Supreme Court that truly decides what is Constitutional right? I just want to make sure before I finish this post. Correct. The Supreme Court's job is to interpret law as it applies to the Constitution, which is why a case before them is so important because whichever way they vote is the final say on the matter. The appeals court ruling is meaningless because if it goes to the SC, they will just point out Article II and the case will be over.
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SalTheBard posted:I would be correct in saying it's the Supreme Court that truly decides what is Constitutional right? I just want to make sure before I finish this post. They are the final say for the entire nation on what is or isn't law, but they're not the only say. Things have to work up the chain to them. At this moment, people in different federal court districts can and are living under different constitutional law. For example, one district court I believe has ruled the police can search the cell phones of people being arrested without a warrant, another has ruled the opposite. Both those rulings stand in their districts until appealed to circuit courts, or SCOTUS can decide to take up the case if the appeals process reaches them and possibly set a national legal standard.
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That ruling appears to say that almost every recess appointment since 1820 has been illegal. I have a feeling that's the sort of thing the Supreme Court would rule on.
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XyloJW posted:That ruling appears to say that almost every recess appointment since 1820 has been illegal. I have a feeling that's the sort of thing the Supreme Court would rule on. Actually, only a strategically selected three judge panel of the DC circuit heard it, it's entirely likely that when the case returns to be heard en banc by the whole group of the circuit court judges, they will overturn the panel's ruling.
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Jan 26, 2013 19:40
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BrotherAdso posted:Actually, only a strategically selected three judge panel of the DC circuit heard it, it's entirely likely that when the case returns to be heard en banc by the whole group of the circuit court judges, they will overturn the panel's ruling. It's also entirely likely it won't be covered with nearly the same fervor by the media. Therefore it is unconstitutional now and forever as far as anyone is concerned on facebook.
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Well, my mom posted this on my wall: Not very interesting, but I noticed at the top it said this was "far right of left's" photo. So I checked out the facebook page it came from: http://www.facebook.com/FarRightOfLeft This is the header:  My mom is mostly a-political, but she leans hard left on most subjects. For example, she loves Obama, she is all for gay rights and most dramatically she believes in a 100% tax for anyone making over 10 million dollars a year. I have no idea how she could go to a page like that and not realize that they do not agree with her opinions. Does anyone else know someone like this?
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The way Facebook works, she probably never went to the page. A friend probably shared it, and she shared it from them. Sometimes it credits the person shared from, sometimes it credits the source, depending on what format it was originally posted. I'll often tease my mother-in-law, because she's very business-oriented on Facebook and never curses. Every now and then, she'll share a picture of a kitten or something, and not notice it's tagged to "loving FUNNY PICTURES" or something.
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A friend got into an argument with these fuckheads on facebook:- https://www.facebook.com/HeterosInspiringPride  Apparently there is a gay agenda that doesn't let them be bigots any more. Bless.
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Jan 26, 2013 22:16
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Mr Darcy posted:A friend got into an argument with these fuckheads on facebook:- Love and Tolerance? Huh. I'll bet it's pretty hard out there for a conservative brony. Other than that the message is pretty funny. Tolerate my intolerance of your intolerance for my intolerance!
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Mr Darcy posted:
"You can't hate us just because we hate you. That's like a reverse hate crime."
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Mr Darcy posted:A friend got into an argument with these fuckheads on facebook:- Holy gently caress, you found a goldmine of playing the victim. The images are just a non-stop deluge of terrible memes, horrible "quotes" (I couldn't find anything about Morgan Freeman and "heterophobia" despite the image saying so), appeals to authority and so on. At first I was amused by how terrible they were, then a bit peeved. Then I got to this image:  gently caress you homosexual adoptive parents you don't get the special happiness we have. 
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What's that, people who made a conscious educated decision to bring a child in to your life? I'm sorry, you'll never understand love and happiness the way a couple of teenagers who accidentally got pregnant after the prom do.
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Mo_Steel posted:
Hell, this is a big "gently caress you" even to heterosexual adoptive parents, since it specifies "a child they made together".
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They'll also never know the magic of aborting a fetus because they made a conscious educated decision not to have a child. But possibly due to medical complications if they do that invetro stuff. And even then it won't be the same. e: Mornacale posted:Hell, this is a big "gently caress you" even to heterosexual adoptive parents, since it specifies "a child they made together". haha.
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Mornacale posted:Hell, this is a big "gently caress you" even to heterosexual adoptive parents, since it specifies "a child they made together". It also implies that all births are made out of love.
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Mo_Steel posted:Holy gently caress, you found a goldmine of playing the victim. The images are just a non-stop deluge of terrible memes, horrible "quotes" (I couldn't find anything about Morgan Freeman and "heterophobia" despite the image saying so), appeals to authority and so on. At first I was amused by how terrible they were, then a bit peeved. Then I got to this image: Why is the kid Buddhist? The message is clearly Christian (although still misguided as angels are inferior to and less loved by God than humans), so why is the kid in saffron robes? Man, gently caress you, homophobic facebook images.
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KillerJunglist posted:Why is the kid Buddhist? The message is clearly Christian (although still misguided as angels are inferior to and less loved by God than humans), so why is the kid in saffron robes? The waiting list for souls waiting for reincarnation as a human is really backed up. A lot of the time, people who are karmicly entitled to reincarnate as a human have to settle for being an ox or something. It's your duty to produce as many human bodies as you can for these souls, so if you're a homo, buck up and get to it with a member of the opposite sex.
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I got some dogwhistle racism in my inbox the other day, haven't really had the chance to read it over until now. The person who sent it to my is my aunt, who's pretty smart actually (she's a biologist), but she's suffering from multiple sclerosis. I can't help but wonder if racism is a symptom of MS. Some formatting (highlighted/bold/underline text) is lost but who cares quote:The new breadwinner in the family
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I'm trying to explain progressive taxation to a lolbertarian on Facebook. How is this explanation? quote:Say you have a flat income tax of 20%, and a post-tax living wage of $40k a year for two adults and one kid. You have one family that brings in $45k a year pretax and another that brings in $100k pretax. The one bringing in $100k after 20% tax has $80k, still double the living wage, but the one bringing in $45k now has $36k, $4k below the living wage. They both paid the same percentage, but the $45k family was affected much more heavily, and might have to go without heat in the winter, or cut down on food, etc. Now in a progressive taxation situation, say 10% on the $45k family and 30% on the $100k family, the $45k family has $40.5k and the $100k family has $70k. This time both families are above a living wage and the state has brought in more money. Sure the $100k family might have to wait a couple more months more to get a new car, but compared to the $45k family going hungry or cold that's really not that much of a sacrifice. So to sum it up, the closer you are to the poverty line, the more important a single dollar is in keeping you away from it.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I'm trying to explain progressive taxation to a lolbertarian on Facebook. How is this explanation? Be prepared for the "lower wage earners need to live within their means" response.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Be prepared for the "lower wage earners need to live within their means" response. That's when you reply with  . Kind of hard to live within your means when your means won't allow you to live at all.
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Argh hell, my band leader just posted the "and that student was Albert Einstein"story (entirely in Chinese but it was pretty easy to spot as it keeps the giant chalkboard image). What page is the rebuttal on?
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Segmentation Fault posted:I got some dogwhistle racism in my inbox the other day, haven't really had the chance to read it over until now. You know, if it's so easy and glamorous life to live on welfare, then more people would do it.
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No one has parsed the fact that Clinton's welfare reform happened. They're still using the exact same racist southern strategy poo poo they did before it happened.
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I would also add that the tax rate itself is not complex at all. In the US, that "complexity" is literally seven lines of text http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#Marginal_tax_rates_for_2013 Instead, what makes the tax code take up thousands of pages is discussion over exactly what income should be taxed and what shouldn't. And since there are powerful special interests behind every single tax deduction, there is absolutely no way you can get rid of those without pissing off every single person in the country, most of them several times over. So even if you did introduce a nonprogressive tax, all you'd accomplish is to boil those 7 lines down into 1, and the rest of the thousand pages of tax code would be left exactly as they were before.
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Segmentation Fault posted:I got some dogwhistle racism in my inbox the other day, haven't really had the chance to read it over until now. http://m.factcheck.org/2010/05/a-mythical-florida-mom-and-other-false-claims-about-immigrants/
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CheesyDog posted:Guys, I'm scared... I think Facebook is leaking: So thats why the Vietnam war failed, we should've disarmed them all first and THEN conquered them
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Imperialist Dog posted:Argh hell, my band leader just posted the "and that student was Albert Einstein"story (entirely in Chinese but it was pretty easy to spot as it keeps the giant chalkboard image). What page is the rebuttal on? Just respond "你懵"。 Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Be prepared for the "lower wage earners need to live within their means" response. I had already said that flat taxes hurt the poor more than progressive taxes and he asked me how. Like, he didn't even get the basic concept. That was my response to explain how.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I'm trying to explain progressive taxation to a lolbertarian on Facebook. How is this explanation? http://sa.peteyproductions.net/effort/2011/08/24/how-are-taxes-formed-marginal-income-tax-rates-educational-thread/ I always just link them to that and let them read an excellent primer written by Petey.
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If he is unable or unwilling to understand/accept the marginal utility of the dollar you're going to have trouble making any headway.
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CheesyDog posted:Guys, I'm scared... I think Facebook is leaking: Have you ever been to Missouri? I swear half the billboards here could be posted in this thread.
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pug wearing a hat posted:Have you ever been to Missouri? I swear half the billboards here could be posted in this thread. I moved here from oregon 3 years ago and I hate this loving place.
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:That's when you reply with Help me out here, I don't understand. It can't be saying you have to work 138 hours a week to live in New Jersey.
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Segmentation Fault posted:I got some dogwhistle racism in my inbox the other day, haven't really had the chance to read it over until now. Wow, that's a whole lotta made up poo poo for one fwd:fwd:fwd email. Nice of them to include so many things that old white republicans are scared of tho.
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pug wearing a hat posted:Have you ever been to Missouri? I swear half the billboards here could be posted in this thread. I'm from Tennessee... this one caught my eye as it was the first time I'd seen a 12-foot-tall glowing Hitler overlooking the parking lot of a Mexican restaurant.
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