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How do they prepare food? I've seen young people live in places this size in Boston and New York, but they're usually hipstery never-at-home-anyway types who eat takeout all the time. I can't imagine the elderly living that sort of lifestyle though. Also, is this considered a unit for 1 or 2 people? Almost all of them have a bunk bed (reminds me of mainland dormitories actually) but only one person in the picture.
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french lies posted:God that was annoying to translate. Sorry for any mistakes. That's because it's colloquial Cantonese (and written with typical Hong Kongers' character substitution). You got the main point but missed some details: french lies posted:Everyone pay attention!!!!! Even HK-bought milk powder can be fake! Today my sister opened a can of milk powder! She discovered it contained less powder than usual! She talked to me after that (more like told me nitpicky)! I compared it to another freshly opened can and it really contained much less! And then I (we, actually. 哋 is the Cantonese plural particle, like Mandarin 們) tried tasting it! And it really was fake! Really sweet! The milk taste was barely there! Really weak! And the powder was white! (white(er). "D" is the lazy replacement character for Cantonese 啲, which is a comparative particle)! (You missed a sentence here, which I would translate as 'bitches be crazy' or something equally angry about the perverse insanity of the situation) Deadly! Next time I'm going to the drugstore to get it (haha this sentence actually means exactly the opposite, 吾 is a stand in for 唔 which is the Cantonese equivalent of 不, it actually means "I don't dare buy from the drug store again")! My mom knows how to order good formula (comparative particle D again, "Mom will order better ones")! Really scary
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Jan 31, 2013 15:05
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hitension posted:How do they prepare food? I've seen young people live in places this size in Boston and New York, but they're usually hipstery never-at-home-anyway types who eat takeout all the time. I can't imagine the elderly living that sort of lifestyle though. Some of the places I've seen had external cooking areas that were sometimes shared among several residences. My wife lived in a small place like this for a long time and just cooked everything on a hotplate in the room.
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Jan 31, 2013 15:11
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Jan 31, 2013 15:47
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Lawman 0 posted:Whats the general Chinese opinion on North Korea? “Yesterday World" to reserve what China used to look like from 40 years ago.
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Jan 31, 2013 16:08
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Bloodnose posted:That's because it's colloquial Cantonese (and written with typical Hong Kongers' character substitution). You got the main point but missed some details:  As for the general Chinese opinion on North Korea, my impression from most of the younger Chinese I talk to is that it is regarded with a mixture of sympathy ("that used to be us") and good-natured derision. Chinese state media presents the DPRK in a much more flattering light than what we're used to in the West, which I think tends to color opinions a bit. It is a pretty remote issue, though. I don't hear it brought up a lot. Every now and then you'll get a NK-related meme, like this video of a newscaster that made the rounds a few years back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lILmn22lENM
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Jan 31, 2013 16:20
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whatever7 posted:“Yesterday World" to reserve what China used to look like from 40 years ago. I read a while back that tours were organised so people could go there and experience or relive what life was like during the Cultural Revolution.
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Jan 31, 2013 16:22
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hitension posted:How do they prepare food? I've seen young people live in places this size in Boston and New York, but they're usually hipstery never-at-home-anyway types who eat takeout all the time. I can't imagine the elderly living that sort of lifestyle though. Hong Kongers eat out more than any other place in the world, I believe. Right up at the top at least if not number one. Space makes cooking difficult. Also there are so many cheap, great places to eat so it is more doable than in the west. Best meal I ever had was at a Hong Kong barbecue joint and cost about $5 US.
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Jan 31, 2013 16:40
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Imperialist Dog posted:I read a while back that tours were organised so people could go there and experience or relive what life was like during the Cultural Revolution. And then gamble in the foreigner-only NK casino, most popular part of a Chinese organized tour.
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Jan 31, 2013 16:43
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Grand Fromage posted:Hong Kongers eat out more than any other place in the world, I believe. Right up at the top at least if not number one. Space makes cooking difficult. Also there are so many cheap, great places to eat so it is more doable than in the west. Best meal I ever had was at a Hong Kong barbecue joint and cost about $5 US. I'm not familiar with those estates but I think it's more likely that they have a communal kitchen.
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Imperialist Dog posted:Amusingly enough this post just landed on my Facebook wall, claiming (i think) fake milk formula has now been found in Hong Kong. Ok, but they are putting it on the wrong places. If hongkies want China to stop buying all their baby formula, instigating a fear of it being fake is the way to go.
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Pro-PRC Laowai posted:Ok, but they are putting it on the wrong places. If hongkies want China to stop buying all their baby formula, instigating a fear of it being fake is the way to go. It seems like paranoia anyway. The differences in weights can be due to settling. To make any sort of conclusion, she should probably weight the two cans.
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The latest on Japanese-Chinese tensions is that Chinese vessels locked on their fire control radars onto a Japanese ship and a Japanese helicopter. This poo poo is getting out of hand.quote:TOKYO—Japan accused China's navy of locking weapons-guiding radar onto Japanese naval forces twice in the past three weeks—a serious escalation in the two countries' long-running territorial dispute that has heightened fears of a looming military conflict between the two Asian giants. So I guess this is equivalent to if you are in a fighter jet in a dogfight and your instruments say someone locked onto you. You probably are starting your evasive maneuvers and countermeasures and are preparing to get blown up.
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Vladimir Putin posted:The latest on Japanese-Chinese tensions is that Chinese vessels locked on their fire control radars onto a Japanese ship and a Japanese helicopter. This poo poo is getting out of hand. To what gain? Are they even going for gain? Are they just loving around and waving their dick around as a message? 'cause this just looks like them acting like a idiot.
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It's not clear what type of FC radar was used, and I'm not taking a Japanese minister's word that the use of FC radar is "highly unusual behaviour" for the PLAN. I presume you need to point an FC radar at something to fire a warning shot at it.
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quote:Illuminating a Japanese ship with fire-control radar is a “risky” move by China because it could invite retaliation, said James Hardy, a London-based Asia-Pacific editor at IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly. “You are assuming the other guy isn’t going to react in a bad way.” I really hope it wasn't some dumbass Captain that lit the Japanese ship up without instructions from higher ups because that's how wars start.
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Paper Mac posted:It's not clear what type of FC radar was used, and I'm not taking a Japanese minister's word that the use of FC radar is "highly unusual behaviour" for the PLAN. I presume you need to point an FC radar at something to fire a warning shot at it. I wouldn't even fire a warning shot in this situation. A missed shot could be mis-construed as a hostile action and provoke a counter attack. And then after that, it's literally WWIII. In that situation, I'd rather go off to war than sit home all day without the internet (which will surely be under constant disruption/attack from China).
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Paper Mac posted:It's not clear what type of FC radar was used, and I'm not taking a Japanese minister's word that the use of FC radar is "highly unusual behaviour" for the PLAN. I presume you need to point an FC radar at something to fire a warning shot at it. According to the Washington Post report (which seems to just be a reiteration of Japan's official statements) Washington Post posted:The incidents mark the first time during the six-month maritime standoff that China has supposedly used such radar on Japanese ships or aircraft. According to Japan’s Asahi Shimbun newspaper, which cited Japanese Defense Ministry officials, the Chinese vessel and the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force ship were about 1.86 miles apart when the radar was used. Is that far for a ship to be? Is it close? Is it close enough that, when a Chinese ship sees a Japanese ship approaching with a helicopter deployed, the commander get nervous? I'm asking in earnest since I don't know how much 1.86 miles means in naval combat.
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flatbus posted:According to the Washington Post report (which seems to just be a reiteration of Japan's official statements) 2 miles is pretty goddamned close, the operational range of the SAMs on Chinese frigates is around 10-20 miles or better. Some CIWS systems have a range of around 2 miles, so even a gun radar could be a plausible threat. Paper Mac fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Feb 5, 2013 |
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flatbus posted:Is that far for a ship to be? Is it close? Is it close enough that, when a Chinese ship sees a Japanese ship approaching with a helicopter deployed, the commander get nervous? I'm asking in earnest since I don't know how much 1.86 miles means in naval combat. It's quite close. Missiles can go for dozens of miles, the main gun on a ship that size would have a range of 5-7 miles. They were almost inside machine gun range. Close ranges aren't anything unusual for this type of naval dick-waving incident though. Typically the ships will get close enough to physically yell at each other over a loudspeaker. The whole point is to show that you're patrolling these waters so they're yours, which involves both ships approaching each other and loudly instructing the other to leave. Illuminating the other with fire control radar isn't part of the standard script. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Feb 5, 2013 |
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I think some countries may equate being lit up by fire control radar as an act of war because it's really announcing an intention to shoot you. How are you supposed to react if you are on a vessel that's being locked on? Evasive maneuvers and fire back probably.
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Vladimir Putin posted:I wouldn't even fire a warning shot in this situation. A missed shot could be mis-construed as a hostile action and provoke a counter attack. And then after that, it's literally WWIII. In that situation, I'd rather go off to war than sit home all day without the internet (which will surely be under constant disruption/attack from China).  Last time I checked China isn't in a position to wage war on anyone, rather less their 2nd and 5th biggest trading partners, at the same time. Their navy is poo poo, their airforce mediocre and I don't think it would work well to march to the Senkaku Islands. And nukes? Yeeeaahhhh. Maybe I missed the memo and China is now completely self-sufficient and losing access to the American, Japanese, European probably ASEAN market wouldn't worry them or we're thinking of a different kind of war.
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While I don't really disagree with any of this (and in fact wrote an academic paper on China's lovely navy), I also wouldn't put it past some delusional, nationalist-propaganda-sniffing PLAN captain looking to make a big statement by starting a shooting war without orders. I mean, I know I already alluded to it in this thread, but it's not like you have to really dig deep in the history books to find examples of China and Japan going to war without the full authorization of their governments. Or many other countries, for that matter- it's kind of why you don't a) feed your officers a steady diet of nationalistic dogma, and b) stick hostile armies who are at 'peace' next to each other whenever possible, because Accidents Happen.
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Let's play a little game. Two ships sink. One chinese, one japanese. Someone's fault. They blame each other. What happens next?
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Warcabbit posted:Let's play a little game. Two ships sink. One chinese, one japanese. Someone's fault. They blame each other. What happens next? Who knows, but nothing good. The Chinese government has enough trouble keeping a lid on violent nationalist sentiment (which is in turn is just a proxy for general social unrest that would otherwise be directed at that government) without adding actual martyrs to the mix. And there would be plenty of right-wing nationalism in Japan to match it. So, maybe, or even probably, nothing would come of it. But I doubt anybody wants to give it a shot just for fun.
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Warcabbit posted:Let's play a little game. Two ships sink. One chinese, one japanese. Someone's fault. They blame each other. What happens next? Seriously? I don't know. We already have a situation where both nations are arguing over something that neither has good proof for, the sunken ships would escalate that, but to what degree, I have no idea. I don't see anyone important siding with China and while they might side with Japan, they aren't going to start the war unless they really relish the idea of China making the bubble look like a minor quarterly loss, so, again, the ball would be in the Chinese court. Only now you'd have people on both sides out for blood. With both ships sinking, neither really gains anything and poo poo just gets more stirred. Still the same shits, still the same situation. Only more yelling and posing. I could very well be wrong but even if they fight they can't win. Neither can. So uhh, alternate would be a war where they both lose and so do the rest of us?
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Warcabbit posted:Let's play a little game. Two ships sink. One chinese, one japanese. Someone's fault. They blame each other. What happens next? This already happened. South Korea lost a ship out of mysterious circumstance. Nothing came out of it. Do you really think China and Japan will go to full scale war over 2 ships and three rocks you can't defend?
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I like to think not, but I'm just saying, okay, let's play this out. Nobody backs down. A rogue Chinese captain decides to go sinking Japanese ships. (I think it's a slightly more likely scenario.) After that, a right-wing Japanese cries the war trumpet. It's war... but what happens next? Somehow, I'm thinking it's not likely to be missiles.
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whatever7 posted:This already happened. South Korea lost a ship out of mysterious circumstance. Nothing came out of it. Depends how many people get killed. 47 were killed when North Korea torpedoed that South Korean frigate. However it was initially unclear whether it was an attack or an accident and the South is long inured to Northern provocations. Similar casualties on both sides between China and Japan would make it more difficult to pull back from the brink in my opinion. This is especially true if they are inflicted in an open firefight with multiple ships on each side.
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If a Chinese ship is sunk and people die, the government has to respond with force, otherwise they will be almost certainly be ousted. If the Japanese lose a ship, I don't feel that they will be compelled to start a war. If a war does start up, I think the US will side with the Japanese, as will Korea, and any countries within the "US sphere" in Asia. China will cripple the internet in America and disrupt electronic communications. America will send in robo-stealth bombers and just blow the gently caress out of everything in China. China and America will both suffer casualties, but China will be set back hundreds of years.
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Installation of. Ma Ying-jeou as President of the United Republic of China?
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Vladimir Putin posted:If a Chinese ship is sunk and people die, the government has to respond with force, otherwise they will be almost certainly be ousted. If the Japanese lose a ship, I don't feel that they will be compelled to start a war. Or, you know, the Chinese government can just choose not to pursue. It's not like the Chinese navy hasn't fought naval battles before involving several ships damaged and dozens killed without going to war, or in the case of war, hasn't ended wars quickly when they're limited in scope to begin with. Sorry to sink your fantasies, but this idea that some rogue hyperaggressive Chinese captain can plunge the entire nation into a catastrophic war implies an extreme lack of agency on behalf the Chinese foreign ministry and the PLA. Also, someone brought up the Marco Polo Bridge as an example of individual captains sparking a war - that's substantially different from this situation, because Japan was occupying a large portion of China, had plans to invade China anyway, and the officers involved were pretty high rank. If I remember correctly the original claim was that Chinese troops killed a soldier who actually took a piss break and was 'lost' for two days until the incident was over. Imperialist Dog posted:Installation of. Ma Ying-jeou as President of the United Republic of China? No luck, Taiwan claims the Diaoyu islands as well. Remember when the Japanese shot at Taiwanese coast guard ships with water cannons when Taiwan sent its ships there?
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Vladimir Putin posted:If a Chinese ship is sunk and people die, the government has to respond with force, otherwise they will be almost certainly be ousted. If the Japanese lose a ship, I don't feel that they will be compelled to start a war. If China goes to war with the US, it stops selling them poo poo. Poof. Then it gets rid of all of its dollars. Poof. Those poofs were the sounds of the American economy totally breaking down. The Chinese one would follow shortly, but they'd have a chance to rebuild? Sorta?
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I am sure the Chinese civilians will go to the street and do another round of patriotic "Japanese car" wracking.
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whatever7 posted:I am sure the Chinese civilians will go to the street and do another round of patriotic "Japanese car" wracking. Maybe they will fly to Narita Airport and buy out all Japanese baby formula in the duty-free shops, then engage in traditional street-making GBS threads ceremonies a few meters away from airport restaurants. Why reserve the best punishment for Hong Kong?
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Vladimir Putin posted:If a Chinese ship is sunk and people die, the government has to respond with force, otherwise they will be almost certainly be ousted. If the Japanese lose a ship, I don't feel that they will be compelled to start a war. I suspect that the chances of Japan "accidentally" sinking a Chinese vessel is on par with the chances of the Americans accidentally sinking one, which is to say not high. I agree it would take more than a ship to get Japan into a shooting war. ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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flatbus posted:Sorry to sink your fantasies, but this idea that some rogue hyperaggressive Chinese captain can plunge the entire nation into a catastrophic war implies an extreme lack of agency on behalf the Chinese foreign ministry and the PLA. The issue is more that an incident of some kind triggers a brief shooting war, China takes casualties, and then the kind of lunatic nationalist dipshit who spends his days pining to burn more Toyotas loses his loving mind and hits the streets yowling for blood. Then the government is in a pickle about how to deal with mass social unrest that isn't directed against them per se, but which goes against their rational interests. It is hard enough to back down from military casualties in the best of circumstances, and China hardly enjoys those. I doubt it would turn into some Alex Jones global war porn, but it will definitely suck to deal with and be a much trickier situation than you're making it out to be. The CCP is pumping people full of nationalistic garbage for a reason, after all.
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flatbus posted:Maybe they will fly to Narita Airport and buy out all Japanese baby formula in the duty-free shops, then engage in traditional street-making GBS threads ceremonies a few meters away from airport restaurants. Why reserve the best punishment for Hong Kong? I would  the kickstarter project.
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Vladimir Putin posted:If a Chinese ship is sunk and people die, the government has to respond with force, otherwise they will be almost certainly be ousted. Hahahaha. No. Seriously why does this argument keep popping up? The Chinese government brutally represses citizen aspirations to everything from democracy to land use rights to reproductive freedom. Why do some people seriously believe that it's suddenly going to quail at repressing pro-war demonstrations? What would actually happen would be a few days, maybe even a week or two, of tacitly accepted rage in the streets, and then the riot police come out. It would hardly be the first time something like this has happened, it would just be the biggest in recent memory.
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