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Egbert Souse posted:Technically, all Disney would have to do to bring high quality original cuts of the Star Wars trilogy would be to create new scans of the interpositives made in 1985. These are the elements used for the 1993 laserdiscs, which were re-used for the limited edition DVDs. The biggest problem will be a huge amount of printed-in dirt and scratches on every effects shot on the first film and a lot of the other two. Not only could Disney afford to do a complete clean up and restoration, it would likely pay for itself and then some when they re-issued (not to mention the goodwill it would generate among fans). It's one of the reasons that I've always thought that the notion of Lucas being driven most by money was wrong. Money was at best second behind his ego, because the money he could/would have made fixing and releasing the originals in non-special edition is huge. 95% of the people who swore off him and his franchise would still by the original.
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Does anyone think that the amount of people who are annoyed at Lucas for all the changes he made to the original trilogy is a bit overblown? Obviously devoted fans and certain parts of the media decry the loss of the original edits, but really don’t the majority of people who go out and buy blurays just want to watch some Star Wars, regardless of what has been edited in or taken out. Case in point, two of the blokes I sit with at work are casual Star Wars fans; my boss enjoys all the films, but his favourite is Ep. 3 for whatever reason; and my colleague only likes the Ep. 1-3 as he thinks the older films are a bit ‘old fashioned’. I could argue with their stupid opinions until I’m red in the face, but I never bother as they don’t care about the bastardisation of the franchise, and wouldn’t give two fucks about the despecialised versions. They did buy the Bluray boxsets though, and if Disney spends millions on a complete remaster in a few years they’ll just shrug and carry on. Really aren’t these guys the typical, silent majority of Star Wars fans? Disney could and should release original versions if they can, but with the films already just coming out on BR I doubt it would be worth the return on the investment to do a full clean-up, remaster, whatever to please niche fans. Or maybe I’m way off the mark and they’d sell like crazy.
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Raffles posted:Disney could and should release original versions if they can, but with the films already just coming out on BR I doubt it would be worth the return on the investment to do a full clean-up, remaster, whatever to please niche fans. Well the existing blu rays are all hosed up anyways. Even the bastardized editions need to be redone. And really the issue here is the theatrical cuts should be available right along side the Lucas editions using branching technology on disc. There is no excuse for it really. Like someone said earlier if some guy in his spare loving time can clean up the films and put them back to their original versions in pretty drat excellent quality on a macbook then there really is no excuse for them not to do this. I'll still never get what I really want which is the theatrical cuts, with the new CGI stuff left in except for the most obnoxious additions(greedo shoots first, robots fighting, ronto bucking jawas, and han talking to jabba I am looking at you). Oh and put back the original Jabba's Palace song.
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Jan 29, 2013 17:08
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Raffles posted:Does anyone think that the amount of people who are annoyed at Lucas for all the changes he made to the original trilogy is a bit overblown? Obviously devoted fans and certain parts of the media decry the loss of the original edits, but really don’t the majority of people who go out and buy blurays just want to watch some Star Wars, regardless of what has been edited in or taken out. But I could also see a release of the original films in their unrevised form to also be a hotseller, especially with the marketing you could attach to it. (See A New Hope just as it was in theatres in 1977, in full HD!!!! Quickly, before we put it back into the Disney Vault!!!)
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ApexAftermath posted:Well the existing blu rays are all hosed up anyways. Even the bastardized editions need to be redone. A few of the "special" additions are okay (updated Emperor hologram, extended wampa scenes), but no one will ever agree on what should stay or go, so the theatrical cut is the only real compromise.
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Red posted:A few of the "special" additions are okay (updated Emperor hologram, extended wampa scenes), but no one will ever agree on what should stay or go, so the theatrical cut is the only real compromise. Yeah I agree there. I just wish Lucas had a brain for what was obnoxious to begin with so we didn't have to be here having this conversation.
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In case anybody doesn't follow the BR deal thread: the complete Star Trek: TOS is down to $112. Holy CRAP that's cheap.
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The pHo posted:It's also hackable if that interests you at all. I've sung these guys praises multiple times just because I don't see them getting talked about much, so it was essentially a risk I had to take (only a $20 one however), but it worked a charm. Can change DVD and BD regions by just typing in a code on the remote and none of my library has failed me on my native Region B drive. It also sounds like it can override the PAL blackout on US models which is useful when you get a PAL menu on an All Regions disc that won't run. There's a bunch of other stuff, but I liked that it enabled MKV playback through the USB slot when my HTPC system drive failed on me. Just tried to do this but they ended up blacklisting my MAC address. 
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Raffles posted:Does anyone think that the amount of people who are annoyed at Lucas for all the changes he made to the original trilogy is a bit overblown? Obviously devoted fans and certain parts of the media decry the loss of the original edits, but really don’t the majority of people who go out and buy blurays just want to watch some Star Wars, regardless of what has been edited in or taken out. The way it seems to me is that anything Star Wars sells like crazy for a variety of reasons (not the least of which is the aforementioned internet spergs buying every loving release of these movies regardless of their quality or how they feel about the alteration). So between that and Disney's expertise in marketing poo poo, I really doubt they'd lose money on this. I'd be surprised if they didn't do some sort of blu-ray box set to hype the new movie they're making.
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CPL593H posted:The way it seems to me is that anything Star Wars sells like crazy for a variety of reasons (not the least of which is the aforementioned internet spergs buying every loving release of these movies regardless of their quality or how they feel about the alteration). So between that and Disney's expertise in marketing poo poo, I really doubt they'd lose money on this. I'd be surprised if they didn't do some sort of blu-ray box set to hype the new movie they're making. Stop getting our hopes up, you sadist! Don't you know there can only be misery and disappointment? What's Disney's track record for live action blu-ray restorations like? The only other live action film I can think of right now is the first Pirates of the Caribbean (which was gorgeous) but that's a new film. I can't imagine they'd drop the ball, but are there any good examples of their work?
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Jan 30, 2013 01:03
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Lizard Combatant posted:Stop getting our hopes up, you sadist! Don't you know there can only be misery and disappointment? Tron. And that's one that was never even as remotely popular as Star Wars. And what do you know, they reissued it to promote a new movie.
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CPL593H posted:Tron. I want to believe, CPL593H. I want to believe.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Stop getting our hopes up, you sadist! Don't you know there can only be misery and disappointment? They haven't released many, but they made Babes in Toyland look fairly amazing for being an inconsequential film that I doubt anyone was begging for a Blu-Ray release. From what I've read, the new restoration of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is stunning (probably a 2014 release for its 60th anniversary).
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VoodooXT posted:Just tried to do this but they ended up blacklisting my MAC address. Any idea what happened? It's been about 2 years since I did it, but I remember I had a CDR image I could burn for free which did the DVD region free to check you had the right MAC etc, then you made payment for the full thing. I'm not sure why they would blacklist you... did you give them any money? I hope I haven't cost you anything 
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The pHo posted:Any idea what happened? It's been about 2 years since I did it, but I remember I had a CDR image I could burn for free which did the DVD region free to check you had the right MAC etc, then you made payment for the full thing. I'm not sure why they would blacklist you... did you give them any money? I hope I haven't cost you anything I didn't get any e-mail indication, but the general idea I've been getting from reading forums is "You filled out one tiny detail wrong therefore YOU'RE WASTING MY TIME gently caress OFF PLEBE". Fake edit: No, you don't cost me any money... only my dignity. 
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Lizard Combatant posted:What's Disney's track record for live action blu-ray restorations like? The only other live action film I can think of right now is the first Pirates of the Caribbean (which was gorgeous) but that's a new film. I can't imagine they'd drop the ball, but are there any good examples of their work?
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kuddles posted:It's pretty mixed. For instance, the Blu-ray of Dick Tracy is amazing, but on a lot of other discs like Grosse Pointe Blank they literally just stick the DVD transfer uncompressed on it and call it a day. That said, I have a feeling Star Wars is a film series that would be worth the effort. I really can't see them being all apathetic and half assed about Star Wars. It's loving Star Wars!
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CPL593H posted:I really can't see them being all apathetic and half assed about Star Wars. It's loving Star Wars! Right, and, let's not kid ourselves, half assed will get them the same amount of money.
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Sheldrake posted:Right, and, let's not kid ourselves, half assed will get them the same amount of money. True but the flip side is that it will be their first release since aquring the rights and they might want some good PR for "doing it right".
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Lizard Combatant posted:True but the flip side is that it will be their first release since aquring the rights and they might want some good PR for "doing it right". This is why I remain hopeful.
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Sheldrake posted:Right, and, let's not kid ourselves, half assed will get them the same amount of money. Yet somehow the Star Trek blu-rays look fantastic and their fanbase is somehow more obsessive.
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Lizard Combatant posted:True but the flip side is that it will be their first release since aquring the rights and they might want some good PR for "doing it right". They just axed all those theatrical 3D re-releases, which made the fan base happy for some reason. I have fond memories of watching the re-releases in theaters in '98, so I'm sure it would have been cool for kids now.
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Jan 30, 2013 06:05
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Disney school of marketing: starve the fan base before a major release
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computer parts posted:Yet somehow the Star Trek blu-rays look fantastic and their fanbase is somehow more obsessive. Star Trek and Kurosawa remasters are the two things I don't even think about when a new release comes out on BR. They're worth every penny that I spend at the pre-order price. Everything else I just wait and see what the general reception is or for the price to fall. Edit: Speak of the devil, not 3 minutes after posting I got notification that Star Trek TNG - Season 3 is now available for pre-order. Fryhtaning fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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Sheldrake posted:Right, and, let's not kid ourselves, half assed will get them the same amount of money. Given how Disney's treated every other big name property they have (and hell, most of their medium-name properties as well), is there any reason to think this way beyond blind pessimism?
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Also I really really doubt they're gonna pull the Disney Vault poo poo, they only ever do that for things that are both branded as Disney (i.e. not Marvel or any of the other studios Disney owns now) and part of their "animated canon." And even then, stuff like The Emperor's New Groove never got stuck in the Vault.
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Lizard Combatant posted:True but the flip side is that it will be their first release since aquring the rights and they might want some good PR for "doing it right". Yeah but only a small minority of fans on the internet think they've "done it wrong".
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computer parts posted:Yet somehow the Star Trek blu-rays look fantastic and their fanbase is somehow more obsessive. The Star Trek movies also look bad - very waxy, especially the classic 6 (minus Khan). They just aren't as divisive because they haven't also had ridiculous changes to the actual content of the movies the way Star Wars has had.
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sethsez posted:Given how Disney's treated every other big name property they have (and hell, most of their medium-name properties as well), is there any reason to think this way beyond blind pessimism? The last 15 years worth of Star Wars video releases.
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CPL593H posted:The last 15 years worth of Star Wars video releases. Which were managed by a different company, which is the entire point of this speculation in the first place.
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sethsez posted:Which were managed by a different company, which is the entire point of this speculation in the first place. I understand that entirely. But I was pointing that out as the reason why people are just assuming that if they do anything it's going to be poo poo.
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Alright so I'm just posting that I purchased the Criterion of Brazil and am about halfway through watching the Love Conquers All cut of the picture and can absolutely understand all the venom that gets spewed at it. Also it deeply saddens me that for all the international classic cinema that gets restored Mexico seems to largely be ignored despite having great stars. If there was a Cantiflas movie with a touch-up, I'd purchase it in a heartbeat.
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EMZ998 posted:Also it deeply saddens me that for all the international classic cinema that gets restored Mexico seems to largely be ignored despite having great stars. If there was a Cantiflas movie with a touch-up, I'd purchase it in a heartbeat. I realized, we never talk about Mexican cinema. They even got Toshiro Mifune to star in a movie of theirs! If that's a sign of a great cinematic culture, I don't know what it is then. So what are some good Mexican movie to view?
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Cemetry Gator posted:I realized, we never talk about Mexican cinema. They even got Toshiro Mifune to star in a movie of theirs! If that's a sign of a great cinematic culture, I don't know what it is then. For Cantiflas particularly my favorites are Por Mis Pistolas, El Senor Fotografo and Ni Sangre Ni Arena. Unfortunately I personally have never been able to find them on any other format outside of VHS. Any movie of his your guaranteed a laugh tho, his wit can be Groucho level at times and if you can find anything subbed I say watch it without hesitation. As far as others go, start off with anything starring Pedro Infante, Jorge Negrete or Javier Solis. A lot of people still know the songs from their pictures these days too. Nosotros Los Pobres, the whole trilogy is pretty much seen by everyone with a traditional Mexican background.
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Sony put out a dozen remastered Cantinflas DVDs in Region 1 a few years ago, including El Padrecito. It's a great movie - not just funny, but incredibly well shot and directed. http://www.amazon.com/El-Padrecito-Cantinflas/dp/B0000B1A4A/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1359601903&sr=8-6&keywords=cantinflas+dvd DVD Beaver did reviews of the entire series Sony released and all seem to be quite good, with all having English subtitles. American audiences barely know of him anymore, despite his part in the '56 Around the World in 80 Days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjU_fnQr-cc
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EMZ998 posted:Alright so I'm just posting that I purchased the Criterion of Brazil and am about halfway through watching the Love Conquers All cut of the picture and can absolutely understand all the venom that gets spewed at it.
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Are there any Hayao Miyazaki box sets kicking around?
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bowmore posted:Are there any Hayao Miyazaki box sets kicking around? This is what's out so far: Nausicaa Castle in the Sky Whisper of the Heart Ponyo The Secret World of Arrietty Harlock fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Wait what? Howl's Moving Castle is out? drat, I thought I was all caught up.
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I would like to get Howl's Moving Castle but it's $38 on Blu-Ray which is insane.
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