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Dorroile posted:Don't forget SMT: Imagine, which takes place between SMTI and SMTII despite not really having anything at all to do with anything! I played a little bit of it and I always thought it was silly to put it there because canon dictates that it was the law faction who won. really should have done it after TDE from Nocturne.
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neongrey posted:The Hijiri/Aleph thing was a musing by an FAQ writer (a good one, but still) and disavowed not very long after, I'm amazed it's held on this long. This, a million times this. I was the FAQ writer in question and wrote that when I was working a lovely job with long periods of doing nothing and way too much time on my hands. I was never really serious about it in the first place and never expected people to latch onto it but welp. For content, the games that have direct connection are Megami Tensei 1&2, Shin Megami Tensei 1&2, Devil Summoner & Soul Hackers, and Majin Tensei 1&2. Dunno about Last Bible. There's also a cameo in Persona 1 that goes a little beyond cameo such that you can say that Shin Megami Tensei If... is probably connected to it. NINE is supposed to take place in between the gap in SMT1 but so is Giten Megami Tensei and they both contradict each other and were terrible games (the latter has some redeemable qualities) so can be safely ignored. Anything beyond that is fanwank and speculation. Also I don't think it's ever explicitly spelled out which faction is the canonical winner in SMT1. The history in the manual of SMT2 jives best with a Neutral win but the SMT1 endings are nebulous enough and the events between the two games are hazy enough that a plausible scenario could be conceived for any of them.
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neongrey posted:The Hijiri/Aleph thing was a musing by an FAQ writer (a good one, but still) and disavowed not very long after, I'm amazed it's held on this long. Masakado posted:This, a million times this. I was the FAQ writer in question and wrote that when I was working a lovely job with long periods of doing nothing and way too much time on my hands. I was never really serious about it in the first place and never expected people to latch onto it but welp. Well, part of the reason it might still be so prevalent is because it's mentioned in his entry over at the Megami Tensei wiki.
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Didn't the first Raidou Kuzunoha game end with a bunch of time travel loving up the continuity too?
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YggiDee posted:Didn't the first Raidou Kuzunoha game end with a bunch of time travel loving up the continuity too? It did! http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Akarana_Corridor I actually really liked that part.
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YggiDee posted:Didn't the first Raidou Kuzunoha game end with a bunch of time travel loving up the continuity too? Not exactly! You travel in a time/space corridor and peer into different decades. You see that the SMT 1 and 2 universe stems from the Kuzanoah universe, meaning that Raidou's adventures are all a precurser to the SMT 1 adventures. I believe the ultimate villain of DS:RK1 is from a further point in the future than SMT2, which is to my knowledge the furthest ahead that the series has gone. Nocturne is either a seperate universe (as explained in the Amala) or a predecessor to the first SMT game, which is unlikely since it seems that the True Demon ending is the canon outcome of Nocturne. Persona is unconnected, Soul Hackers is POSSIBLY connected (and would be in the mainline SMT universe if this was the case) and I don't know if the NES titles or Devil Survivor/Strange Journey matters. I assume those are all seperate universes.
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Honestly unless the game straight up says "Hey here is a thing that happened in the past" (P4 -> P3, P2 -> P1, SH -> DS, SMT2 -> SMT1, etc) it really, really isn't worth worrying about.Masakado posted:For content, the games that have direct connection are Megami Tensei 1&2 I'm still not clear on if MT1 is meant to be an actual event that happened or if it was supposed to be the Devil Buster game.
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RentCavalier posted:Persona is unconnected, Soul Hackers is POSSIBLY connected (and would be in the mainline SMT universe if this was the case) and I don't know if the NES titles or Devil Survivor/Strange Journey matters. I assume those are all seperate universes. Wait, how is Soul Hackers connected? It's a sequel to Devil Summoner which I guess you could say is an alt-history version of SMT1 (there's an announcement on the radio at one point about Ambassador Thorman dying of a heart attack, and he's a major character in SMT1) but other than that it's pretty self-contained. There's not really anything to explicitly connect it with the rest of the series as far as I can remember. TurnipFritter posted:I'm still not clear on if MT1 is meant to be an actual event that happened or if it was supposed to be the Devil Buster game. I can answer this one--Devil Buster was programmed by Nakajima to imprison Pazuzu after the events of MT1--you see it in the "good" ending. (i.e. the one where you side with Lucifer) MT1 actually happened since Lucifer is stuck in a block of ice after his defeat at Nakajima's hands, until he gets freed by the main character's friend mid-game. I think. I haven't played MT2 in a real long time but I remember that point sticking out to me. Genpei Turtle fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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Genpei Turtle posted:Wait, how is Soul Hackers connected? It's a sequel to Devil Summoner which I guess you could say is an alt-history version of SMT1 (there's an announcement on the radio at one point about Ambassador Thorman dying of a heart attack, and he's a major character in SMT1) but other than that it's pretty self-contained. There's not really anything to explicitly connect it with the rest of the series as far as I can remember. I know that Hazama and... that one elf chick from SMT2 are people you can trade demons with at the pet shop, and Hazama is still kind of cartoonishly evil, so take that minor cameo as you will. Genpei Turtle posted:I can answer this one--Devil Buster was programmed by Nakajima to imprison Pazuzu after the events of MT1--you see it in the "good" ending. (i.e. the one where you side with Lucifer) MT1 actually happened since Lucifer is stuck in a block of ice after his defeat at Nakajima's hands, until he gets freed by the main character's friend mid-game. I think. I haven't played MT2 in a real long time but I remember that point sticking out to me. Ah, ok, thanks.
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RentCavalier posted:Persona is unconnected, Soul Hackers is POSSIBLY connected (and would be in the mainline SMT universe if this was the case) and I don't know if the NES titles or Devil Survivor/Strange Journey matters. I assume those are all seperate universes. Persona follows off of Shin Megami Tensei If. . ., so it's another alternate timeline (in which SMT1's apocalypse doesn't happen). The female protagonist of If appears in Persona 1 and 2.
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Agnostalgia posted:Persona follows off of Shin Megami Tensei If. . ., so it's another alternate timeline (in which SMT1's apocalypse doesn't happen). The female protagonist of If appears in Persona 1 and 2. Also one of the guys from Devil Summoner (the original Saturn one) works with her at a detective agency where you spread rumors that become reality... Which seems pretty in line for SMT, right? But then again trying to figure out the MegaTen timeline is like trying to defuse a bomb while colorblind. Fraught with danger and misinformation, all because we can't read Japanese.
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FauxGateau posted:Also one of the guys from Devil Summoner (the original Saturn one) works with her at a detective agency where you spread rumors that become reality... Which seems pretty in line for SMT, right? But then again trying to figure out the MegaTen timeline is like trying to defuse a bomb while colorblind. Fraught with danger and misinformation, all because we can't read Japanese. Wait, who? Is this in EP only? (I've only played IS) There's a Kuzunoha Detective Agency in IS which has the same name as the detective agency, but nobody from there is also from DS. Unless of course you want to argue that Kuzunoha Kyoji inexplicably ditched his (much superior) body in Soul Hackers in favor of the fatass that runs it. I always figured that was more of a cameo than anything else, since Devil Summoner was the concurrent thing around the time P2 came out.
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After a month long shipping comedy of errors I finally got Devil Survivor 2. Is the protagonist's hood supposed to be distorted as hell when he faces right or did I get a bootleg copy or something?
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The Moon Monster posted:After a month long shipping comedy of errors I finally got Devil Survivor 2. Is the protagonist's hood supposed to be distorted as hell when he faces right or did I get a bootleg copy or something? He just has a really loving stupid hood.
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All of the characters in DS2 have terrible designs, for the record. I like the bosses but the characters are terrible.
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Cityinthesea posted:All of the characters in DS2 have terrible designs, for the record. NPC Concerned Woman is great, I will fight you.
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Cityinthesea posted:All of the characters in DS2 have terrible designs, for the record. Yamato is the biggest badass and so is Jungo. They both have great designs. vv Also what that person said. Freak Futanari fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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Jan 31, 2013 23:00
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Don't sass the bunny hood. It's cute.
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So counting all spin offs, how many apocalyptic events that snuffed out most of humanity have happened throughout the series?
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How do we count games with more than one apocalypse ending?
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Also, do we count the ones were you undo the apocalyptic event?
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The canonical endings for all the games are where everything goes b oom and also I get to play a gamee after it.
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Screw the apocalypse, I want another game themed around cannibalism.
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Iceclaw posted:How do we count games with more than one apocalypse ending? Add as many apocalypses as they have. Fiend Computer posted:Also, do we count the ones were you undo the apocalyptic event? Yes, with an asterisk. Why does SA have the plural for apocalypse in its spell check?
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Arbite posted:So counting all spin offs, how many apocalyptic events that snuffed out most of humanity have happened throughout the series? I think it's quicker to name the ones that don't have apocalypses. The only one I can be sure of there is SMT: Imagine. I don't think the first two Personas had any full-on apocalypses, but I could easily be wrong.
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Cleretic posted:I think it's quicker to name the ones that don't have apocalypses. Hrm... does Catherine count as a Mega Ten game?
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Cleretic posted:I think it's quicker to name the ones that don't have apocalypses. Both of the first Personas basically had mini-apocalypses. Major spoilers for P1 and P2 Like 1 dealt with a weird dream world created by a sickly teenager, where a guy used it to become a god to destroy the real world. Whereas Persona 2 dealt with rumors becoming reality to trigger an apocalyptic scenario. Also Hitler's in it. Both of them are potentially world destroying events, so I suppose that they could count as apocalypses.
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Speaking of Megaten canon, I came across this image today: I don't know how much that's actually canon, but still neat. Edit: Er... images usually have a clicky box so you can make it bigger if you want to see it, I don't know why it isn't doing that now. vvvv Thanks! Snix fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Change the img tags to timg.
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If Hijiri isn't Aleph, then who is he? It seems weird that they'd include such an oddly specific fate for him, this whole curse and the like, for him NOT to be Aleph. Of course, all that poo poo is only revealed in what was the "special edition" anyway, so god knows but...I mean it seems weird, doesn't it? That timeline is pretty neato though.
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SMT's timeline is about as complex as Zelda's, but at the same time somehow more comprehensible.
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Cleretic posted:SMT's timeline is about as complex as Zelda's, but at the same time somehow more comprehensible. It would be neat to get a SMT encyclopedia that explains the timeline and several of the odds and ends of the series like the Hyrule Historia. Will probably never happen.
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gently caress, I'd buy that for my coffee table. It'd go right alongside the Japanese strategy guides for Devil Summoner 1, IS and Nocturne that I have for no real reason. e: Also, for some reason or another, people actually want to hire anti-gravity-tit-man for their games? Why? kirbysuperstar fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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kirbysuperstar posted:e: Also, for some reason or another, people actually want to hire anti-gravity-tit-man for their games? Why? My theory is that there is a lot of overlap between video game players and people who like breasts.
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Handgun Harlot posted:My theory is that there is a lot of overlap between video game players and people who like breasts. No fan of breasts enjoys the horrors that man has unleashed. 
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:No fan of breasts enjoys the horrors that man has unleashed. Ia C'levaj!  Also, in fairness, the Hijiri/Aleph thing is a pretty cool idea, so I can see why people would jump on it so readily.
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My fundamental problem with devil survivor is that their eyes are too far apart. It's like he spliced the characters with cows. He does put a shitload of effort into colouring and linework but there's only a limited amount you can do to polish a strangely proportioned turd.
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Phobophilia posted:My fundamental problem with devil survivor is that their eyes are too far apart. It's like he spliced the characters with cows. That WOULD explain the udders.
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