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bunnybean posted:But those are all arguments based on feelings, not facts.  Yes, gently caress us for using our 'feelings' and 'emotions'. I wish everyone tackled every problem with stone cold logic and a complete disregard for how people might feel.
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Gnack posted:I wish everyone tackled every problem with stone cold logic and a complete disregard for how people might feel. 
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bunnybean posted:She has no obligations here. If she didn't then he'd be a productive member of society instead of crying here. Obligations don't disappear just you fail to fulfill them. His parents had a duty to prepare him to become an adult. Just because it's taken them over twenty-two (?) years to do so and they still haven't succeeded doesn't mean it's not their responsibility anymore.
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Sell your comics and buy a camera. If something like this happens again make some YouTube ad money, feel me?
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Aerofallosov posted:As far as jobs go, you might look into things like technical writing, teaching, data entry and all of that. Your campus may also have career services for alumni you can use. This. Morby posted:You and your brother both need to take your asses to the Department of Labor/Unemployment office. They will be able to help you leverage your skills into jobs that you might not have considered before. You should also go to any United Way agencies like GoodWill as they have job resources as well. Both places will provide free resume help and even interview clothes if necessary. And also this. ETA: I'm not saying the OP isn't working hard at the unpaid internship. It's probably great from a networking standpoint. I just also think that he and his brother should take some time to explore other avenues. Getting a job would probably do a lot to help deescalate some of the tension in the home. Morby fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Safe and Secure! posted:If she didn't then he'd be a productive member of society instead of crying here. Obligations don't disappear just you fail to fulfill them. His parents had a duty to prepare him to become an adult. Just because it's taken them over twenty-two (?) years to do so and they still haven't succeeded doesn't mean it's not their responsibility anymore. He's 22 his parents can't make him do anything at this point. If he was my kid he would either have a job, be in school (for something with prospects down the line), or out of my house at this age. Edit: And to the guy earlier who said it was really hard to get a McD's type job, unless he lives in the ruralest of rural small towns, theres plenty of work to be had at those wages the turnover is huge and theres a big demand for them even at the worst of the recession.
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gigawhite posted:Benny, you should get work as a grave digger. Aerofallosov posted:Volunteering while unemployed is a good way to keep gigantic holes off your resume. Hahahaha. Anyway, it sounds to me like the OP is making a good-faith effort to find work, but I think the sailing would be a little smoother if he sat down with his parents and had an adult conversation about his plans to get out of their house or at least contribute more to bills/rent. YOU may know you're working on it, but are they really aware that you recognize their sacrifice in this and are making it a priority to ease their burden here? I'm not convinced that's the case. Your parents aren't going to see you as an adult or treat you as one if they don't think that being either independent or a contributing member of the household is of any value to you.
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Hey, I'm just saying that giant holes of unemployment on your resume are considered red flags/checks against you. It's better to volunteer at something than do nothing at all. Unemployment gaps can be a pain to overcome. Folks don't realize that yeah, McD's had about 100,000 jobs open up... and over a million applicants. And talking to his parents about his plans is probably a wise thing to do.
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Aerofallosov posted:Hey, I'm just saying that giant holes of unemployment on your resume are considered red flags/checks against you. It's better to volunteer at something than do nothing at all. Unemployment gaps can be a pain to overcome. A farming firm couldn't get enough applicants to pick the harvest so a lot of it spoiled. My dumb anecdote cancels out your dumb anecdote. And OP I'm also speaking generally about McDs. If being a secretary is your thing you can probably get paid to be one on the side while you are volunteering.
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ClemenSalad posted:He's 22 his parents can't make him do anything at this point. If he was my kid he would either have a job, be in school (for something with prospects down the line), or out of my house at this age. And what if your kid was unemployed and had no money? They can't really go live on their own in that case. That's a big reality for a lot of people in their 20's right now. I live in Chicago, and I've known smart, college-educated people who have been applying to every place under the sun to get a job. It's not snobbishness. There just aren't enough minimum-wage jobs for people looking for something to do in the mean time.
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Safe and Secure! posted:If she didn't then he'd be a productive member of society instead of crying here. Obligations don't disappear just you fail to fulfill them. His parents had a duty to prepare him to become an adult. Just because it's taken them over twenty-two (?) years to do so and they still haven't succeeded doesn't mean it's not their responsibility anymore. How do you know they didn't?
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Darth123123 posted:How do you know they didn't? Because he's a twenty-something-year-old man complaining about how his mommy doesn't like the TV shows he watches.
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ClemenSalad posted:A farming firm couldn't get enough applicants to pick the harvest so a lot of it spoiled. My dumb anecdote cancels out your dumb anecdote. Fortunately in the US we have something called an unemployment rate, which tells us that there are many college graduates looking for jobs with no success. The OP is hardly unique here.
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ClemenSalad posted:A farming firm couldn't get enough applicants to pick the harvest so a lot of it spoiled. My dumb anecdote cancels out your dumb anecdote. Too bad it's not a dumb anecdote and there may not be farms in his area. Oh, and I was wrong. Only 62000 jobs, most of them part time. Awesome. I honestly think it's sad that people don't realize the reality for a lot of new grads and young job seekers. Most of them don't want to live at home but don't have an alternative. There's so many more applicants than minimum wage or entry level jobs - including the lovely ones. Ultimately, the OP's situation sucks, but he'll have to tough it out until he can save up or relocate.
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in_cahoots posted:Fortunately in the US we have something called an unemployment rate, which tells us that there are many college graduates looking for jobs with no success. The OP is hardly unique here. I agree. I do want to reiterate what someone posted before, being that networking is probably the best way to get a job in this lovely economy. I've spent probably hundreds of hours applying for anything and everything during a few periods of unemployment in the last couple of years (with a college degree and plenty of work experience) and not even getting a callback from places like McDonalds and the local grocery store. It's not easy out there, and gently caress anyone who tries to pretend it is just because they got lucky or had work already. Getting a friend or acquaintance or relative or ANYONE really to put in a good word for you at their place of employment is a terrific idea and you should really look into that, OP. It can rocket you to the top of a stack of random-dude applications in a hurry. (It's how I got my current job)
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Aerofallosov posted:Too bad it's not a dumb anecdote and there may not be farms in his area. Oh, and I was wrong. Only 62000 jobs, most of them part time. Awesome. Anecdote doesn't mean "fake". In any case OP. Have someone at your office look at your resume and see about using those "connections" ASAP to get a paid position. Is there a timeline for this volunteer thing? Do you get some sort of certification at the end? What kind of skills/learning program are you learning about there? From what you said its unpaid generic office assistant/secretary work and if that's all it is you need to move on. In the meantime, getting a 10-20 hour part time job isn't out of the question and despite what some people here say I think we both know its doable if you really want it.
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ClemenSalad posted:I think we both know its doable if you really want it. This is the bullshit I'm talking about.
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And be sure to set up a LinkedIn, clean up any social media you use as well. Folks at your campus' career services can also likely put good words in for you and on top of that, you would know job postings from there would want folks with degrees.gigawhite posted:This is the bullshit I'm talking about. Pretty much.
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Darth123123 posted:So why aren't you writing? How does the party work your doing leverage that? Or advance that? Write user manuals, gently caress write fanfic on the side. Try eLance, DemandStudios, eHow, and About.com. DemandStudios pays about $10 per article. My friend who was also an English major is currently working from them and she makes around $40 a day after taxes. Not shabby for what is basically "Write us a 200-word article about the water cycle". Some people make their living/business entirely off of eLance. Explain to your mother that you are going to be applying for a job there and therefore need your computer. Or, you can become an erotica e-author since you like porn a lot. I'm being serious. Google more about it before you laugh. Captain Mog fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Check with nonprofits in your area, especially smaller ones. Someone who can write well and is good with social media might fill a niche for an organization wanting to raise awareness about their cause. Small nonprofits are probably not going to have a lot of money for fulltime staff but might have temporary part-time openings available.
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Don't ever take a McJob. You'll get in a rut. Don't ever take an unpaid internship. Your time is money. And right now you're losing both. Use this time to spruce up the résumé, gutcheck it with the rés thread here we have in SA. Get a decent entry position job at some office that allows you to pay rent and think about your future. Also respect your mom bro edit: I still can't spare you much sympathy for living at home for so long with having to put in so little, I'm just saying, now that you may actually have the chance to fake-it-till you make it, take it. The gently caress are you doing walking around handing out résumés on the street? I think its tied to some romanticism you fall on like a crutch, which reflects how you hold comic book collecting in such high regard such as to suggest you experience it as a higher calling—using it to justify discretionary expenditures. You need to face reality. You have no fire under your rear end. Light it. Your mom/dad will be alot less stressed out and hating you if they see you going to interviews. You will get interviews with a proper résumé. Use indeed.com and craigslist. No way you can't make this happen. Never go back to that bar. double edit: It really should disgust you to be dependent on your parents. Grandpas a Racist fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Agro ver Haus doom posted:Sure it's not illegal, but you're allowed to do it. Your original argument is that it is not allowed to say whatever you want in your home (in this case, a bigoted phrase). Clearly, reality trumps your assertion that people aren't allowed to say things in their own homes. But by all means, keep telling people what they're allowed to say in the very homes they own. Show them who's boss.
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Grandpas a Racist posted:Don't ever take a McJob. Don't ever take an unpaid internship. Use this time to spruce up the résumé, gutcheck it with the rés thread here we have in SA. Get a decent entry position job at some office that allows you to pay rent and think about your future. Also respect your mom bro Listen to this man OP. But if hes never had a real job before he might just have to suck it up and do retail or something for a few years. I'd never hire some dude whos never worked at 22 for an important career-type job if I had other choices. And OP, the reason I'm grilling you about the unpaid internship is because those need to be structured with a goal. I did an unpaid internship for 8 months. Worked 40 hours a week for free. HOWEVER, I had a clear plan on what I would be learning every week, its skilled, technical work (not menial office work), it would allow me to take board exams and easily pass, and basically guaranteed me a job at that hospital or somewhere else. You need to have that level of confidence before you commit free time like that.
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You ever think about something like Americorps, OP? You've got volunteering experience, they house and feed you for 10 months, and it looks loving awesome on a résumé. Stash your comics at a friend's house, pack your crap, and get away from your uptight and physically violent family.
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ClemenSalad posted:I'd never hire some dude whos never worked at 22 for an important career-type job if I had other choices. You wouldn't hire a college graduate? Because a lot of them are 22 and haven't worked before. Also having "a few years of retail" on your resume proves nothing. It might even be a detriment, because "Why were you working in retail for so long? Couldn't you find a better job?" OP, I'm sorry about your situation. It's tough and you just have to deal with it for now. But you don't deserve this massive goon dogpile.
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WampaLord posted:You wouldn't hire a college graduate? Because a lot of them are 22 and haven't worked before. If I had two technically qualified people for the job and one of them had worked before (doing anything) as opposed to the other person doing nothing. I'd hire the former. It lets me know that they've been able to handle a structured work environment with others, thats not always a given. Since when did it become common to not work during high school or college? I can only think of one person I've ever met who actually graduated and didn't work, he was a football player. The only reason I suggested the OP work retail for a few years (if he couldn't get anything better) is because its better than doing nothing or volunteering doing menial work. This would also allow him to move out, a big plus in his book I'd guess. And OP your parents will be much more relaxed and amicable if their son is succeeding and doing something. ClemenSalad fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Grandpas a Racist posted:Don't ever take a McJob. You'll get in a rut. Don't ever take an unpaid internship. Your time is money. And right now you're losing both. Use this time to spruce up the résumé, gutcheck it with the rés thread here we have in SA. Get a decent entry position job at some office that allows you to pay rent and think about your future. Also respect your mom bro
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Safe and Secure! posted:Because he's a twenty-something-year-old man complaining about how his mommy doesn't like the TV shows he watches.
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But the thing is you're using your biased feelings to say the mom is completely wrong for wanting to keep her beliefs in her own home. So lets change it up then. Mom is a total bleeding heart liberal who supports gay rights. Danny turns on Chicago Fire and there's a just happens to be a scene where one fireman is being harassed and attacked for being a homosexual. She demands Danny turn it off. Danny refuses and things escalate. He insults her, she gets belligerent, and then she rushes after him to take away his cellphone. The two of them rush into OP's room where he's typing away something for his blog and she starts getting violent. Dad comes in to hold her back and OP threatens to call the police if she doesn't calm down. Mom retreats to the living room while Danny stews away in the room. Is this family still crazy? Yes Is she all of a sudden now allowed to have these rules in her house because you now agree with her belief? Regardless of what she believes, she still has a right that it be respected in her own house. Edit: Add in spoilers. Ride The Gravitron fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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So everyone who's hounding the OP for not having a job even though he's clearly putting forth an effort, are you aware that there are literally less jobs than there are unemployed people and the gap is growing everyday? I've been employed my entire life (well 15+) and already have a fantastic lab position lined up after my grad degree this may, so I'm not being whiny on my own behalf but I don't get what's so complicated to understand about the idea that there are less jobs than there are people looking for jobs. Even if every unemployed person did everything right ever, there'd still be some. Personally my career success has pretty much everything to do with luck and incredibly little to do with hardwork, I've applied to like two things in my life and one of them was just a formality. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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It always surprises me how incredibly many people never think beyond "this is legal/illegal, therefore it is ok/not ok". The mom is doing nothing illegal except the occasional domestic abuse. This does not mean she is morally justified in her actions. It's the whole "my house, my rules" thing. It doesn't make any sense if you spend more than 3 goddamn seconds thinking about it (for example; how different would the general reaction here be if one rule was literally "no niggers or spics in the house"). I've been trying to find a way to say it right, but someone already beat me to it with the description that the inherit rules have to be 'reasonable'. The OP did not chose his situation in life (completely). It is not a choice not to have a job or no money. Furthermore he did not chose his parents. "You have to ethically be my clone" is not a reasonable rule. Legally, his parents are doing him a favor. Morally, they are doing the bare minimum. You put children into the world, you are (again; morally) responsible for them until they can be self-sufficient.
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ClemenSalad posted:Edit: And to the guy earlier who said it was really hard to get a McD's type job, unless he lives in the ruralest of rural small towns, theres plenty of work to be had at those wages the turnover is huge and theres a big demand for them even at the worst of the recession. Have you tried to get a minimum wage job recently? I have. I've been trying for eight months. Out of all that time, I've had maybe four good prospects and one interview. One. And I'm in a fairly large city that's close to another fairly large city. Learn what the gently caress you're talking about before you post. OP, your situation is hosed up. I'm of the opinion that since you're trying, and contributing, and you said you were either in school or a graduate, you should be given more leeway than most of the people in this thread have been. But, still, while you live in your parents' house, you should live by their rules. I'm not absolving your parents of all fault, because unless you have a criminal history or something you should be given a lot more freedom than it seems like you are. Right now, though, your only choices are to live with it or GTFO, and since you're trying to do the former and working on the latter, I say good on you. e: Somebody earlier mentioned Americorps, I'd like to second that and also recommend Job Corps (which might be the same thing, I'm not sure). razorrozar fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Namarrgon posted:It's the whole "my house, my rules" thing. It doesn't make any sense if you spend more than 3 goddamn seconds thinking about it (for example; how different would the general reaction here be if one rule was literally "no niggers or spics in the house"). I've been trying to find a way to say it right, but someone already beat me to it with the description that the inherit rules have to be 'reasonable'. The OP did not chose his situation in life (completely). It is not a choice not to have a job or no money. Furthermore he did not chose his parents. "You have to ethically be my clone" is not a reasonable rule. I don't like that his folks are homophobic and I wouldn't like it if his folks were racist, but realistically, controlling who has access to the house isn't wrong in and of itself and that's not something that you can force on someone in their own home. Saying who can enter the home that you pay for isn't unreasonable on its face. Extending that restriction to people of certain races is a horrible and lovely thing to do but how do you change that? You can't force someone to allow others into their home if they don't want to do that. I guess my point is that the rules his parents have are probably rules they've had the OP's entire life. It's not like these rules (horrible and ridiculous, though they may be) showed up out of the blue. He knew that continuing to live in their house meant having to abide by those rules. He made a choice to continue staying there. He is not going to change their views. They are not open to having them changed. If he doesn't like the rules, the only choice is to move. His folks likely will not change.
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Namarrgon posted:(for example; how different would the general reaction here be if one rule was literally "no niggers or spics in the house"). My opinion would be the same: She's a horrible bigot but it's her house, she should have a right to have her rules and beliefs respected.
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Volume posted:My opinion would be the same: She's a horrible bigot but it's her house, she should have a right to have her rules and beliefs respected. Yeah, this is the problem that's been pointed out above. At the most, she's got the right to have her rules respected-- i.e. followed, or she can kick the dude out with the justification that he wasn't following the rules. But she has no right at all, nor does anyone else, to have their beliefs respected. Her beliefs are bullshit stupid bigotry, and deserve not an iota of respect. If the rule of the house is "You can't disrespect my beliefs", then maybe he has to shut the gently caress up about them and stow it while he's there, but it still means she's a bigot with lovely opinions and it's also supremely lovely parenting to foist those assholic views (and make these constraining rules). I have the 'right' to kick anyone out of my apartment who doesn't heil Hitler. Doesn't mean that rule should be 'respected', just means literally, legally, I can enforce it. Obdicut fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Pragmatically, there are really only two options available to you: come to some accommodation with your parents, or find a different living situation. Obviously Option 2 is less viable at the moment without an income and transportation, so Option 1 is what you should be focusing on at the moment. This doesn't mean blindly accepting an unreasonable set of rules, but it does mean respecting your parents' wishes and, ideally, negotiating a set of reasonable shared expectations with them. And if they're not willing to be reasonable (by whatever definition), there's probably not a lot you can do about it aside from pursuing Option 2 all the more vigorously. (I'm assuming at this point that your parents are not Harvey and Val Denton from The League of Gentlemen. If they are, then I would advise moving out as soon as possible, nay, this very night, and also would not recommend applying for work at the Local Shop.)
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Volume posted:My opinion would be the same: She's a horrible bigot but it's her house, she should have a right to have her rules and beliefs respected. It is because I am not talking about legal rights. I am talking about moral obligations. Nobody is telling him he should sue his parents for legally wronging him. But there are a lot of people posting who seem to think the parents are morally (again; morally) justified in their actions. Morby posted:I guess my point is that the rules his parents have are probably rules they've had the OP's entire life. It's not like these rules (horrible and ridiculous, though they may be) showed up out of the blue. He knew that continuing to live in their house meant having to abide by those rules. He made a choice to continue staying there. He is not going to change their views. They are not open to having them changed. If he doesn't like the rules, the only choice is to move. His folks likely will not change. For the vast majority of human existence slavery was accepted. Does not mean we consider it the right thing to do now. I am not sure I agree with you saying it is his 'choice' to stay there. As opposed to what? Starving on the street? If you hand a mugger your wallet he can't defend himself in court by saying it was your choice to hand it over. His parents put him into the world. Now that apparently is backfiring on them because their children are not ethically carbon copies. Asking that of your children is an unreasonable demand. Asking your children, who you brought into the world and actually want to move out but can't to respect unreasonable rules then you are in the moral wrong. I can not stress this enough; I am purely talking about morality, not legality. It shocks me a bit to see so many here say that it is their house therefore they can do whatever the gently caress they want. I am pretty sure we left the feudal system behind a while ago.
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Namarrgon posted:It always surprises me how incredibly many people never think beyond "this is legal/illegal, therefore it is ok/not ok". The mom is doing nothing illegal except the occasional domestic abuse. This does not mean she is morally justified in her actions. I think most people agree with you, I don't think that many people are defending the parents because they are bigots. It's more that we all have the luxury of standing back and saying poo poo is hosed up and his parents have awful beliefs. Thing is, the OP doesn't have that luxury, he is dependent on them so taking the moral high ground and standing up to bigotry will seriously cost him. "My house, my rules" isn't RIGHT but it's what OP has to deal with, he can't make them into reasonable non bigoted people. I advised him to patch things over with his mum, keep the peace, respect her wishes and try to restore the previous truce. I didn't tell him that because I think it is the morally correct thing to do, I told him that because I think it's the best chance he's got of living a somewhat normal, non stressful life until he can move out. If I personally knew these people I would call them out on their bigotry and I would absolutely not cater to their homophobia. However I would be able to wash my hands of them, walk away and never talk to them again. The OP can't walk away and will have to live with the fallout from any arguments. This could lead to a very stressful situation quite easily and he is under no obligation to sacrifice his mental well being for morality. I completely agree that any rules of the house should be reasonable and that the OPs mother is in the wrong. If this were an ethics debate question it would be pretty clear cut but it isn't, it's the OPs actual life and the correct answer based on the way things SHOULD be won't help him deal with the way things actually ARE. The people who are giving him advice for living in unreasonable conditions aren't making a moral argument to support those conditions, they are trying to help OP make the best of a lovely situation by making the only improvements he actually can. That's why so much advice is directed to the OP seeing things from his mum's point of view and taking the initiative to patch things over. It is not because it's fair but because it's the only thing he can definitely achieve.
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Darth123123 posted:He's working at a volunteer position that 80 year old retirees do. He's doing 'work' for a cause, not to further his earning. He has a eng lit degree. And blogs don't count when you don't make money. Nor does a book that. He's been writing since he was a freshman. And people wonder why I asked what his job/skills included, before we start singing the economy blues. People seriously get degrees in English Lit, go on to do "busy work" for a volunteer position, put in a half assed effort at finding a real job and then wonder why they don't get hired. So many E/N threads follow this pattern. They blame the economy and then we come to find that there are a million untapped resources that the OP hasn't even considered. gigawhite posted:It can take people months to find work, and it's frustrating how quick people are to blame the individual for being lazy. It's a terrible attitude to have towards the unemployed. Every time "unemployed" pops up, we dig maybe an inch deep to find that the OP isn't utilizing as much as a quarter of the resources that are available. "Post your resume in BFC" is baseline poo poo, yet no E/N OP has ever thought to do it. About 10 people parrot the phrase, "post your resume in BFC" yet the OP still doesn't do it. I don't even consider it laziness. I have no idea what the hell it is. It's more a lacking in common sense, than anything. Fact of the matter is, I'm yet to see someone come here complaining about unemployment, while able to provide us with a nice long list of steps they've taken to find a job. The exceptions being a hand-full of threads where the OP had a disability which prevented him/her from performing certain tasks. I'm not saying the OP isn't trying to find a job. It's just a scenario in which someone could ask the OP, "What are you doing in efforts to find a job?" with the answer being, "I've got some stuff going on. I'm doing volunteer work and applying all over the place." It's like the ordinary shlub approach. Just sorta show up at your internship and toss around a few applications when you have time. I'd be willing to bet the OP isn't exactly going nuts with the internship and/or knocking on his boss's office door every Friday to see if he/she has any leads available, or if they've heard of any openings. Ok, so let's give THIS OP a shot at the old jobs effort. Gnack posted:He's trying to find a paying job - what is so hard to understand about this that people keep ignoring it? OP, since Gnack says you're trying to find a job, let me ask, what are you doing in efforts to find a job? Don't reply with "I'm applying all over the place!" We need a real answer, if we're gonna help you. 1) Have you contacted an unemployment center, placement agency, your college's carer office? 2) Have you looked for any job fairs? 3) Have you had your resume checked over by a professional? 4) How many cover letters do you have? 5) How long do you wait before you follow up and press for an interview? Do you have a calendar set up saying what you applied for/when with reminders that alert you when to follow up? 6) What steps do you take to ensure that your resume winds up in the hands of an employee as opposed to a stack in the HR department? Let's say you submit a resume online or hell, even on location. What type of conversation do you have when you hand the resume over/hit the submit button? You sure as hell shouldn't be walking away, expecting a call back within the next week to two weeks! Any/all information about your process would help us help you. I know the economy sucks, but that's all the more reason to put on your war face and get competitive. How many years ago did people actually apply to jobs the way which was set fourth by the hiring company? Did people ever just take things for face value and trust that the application will be placed in the hands of a hiring manager and then carefully looked over? waste of internet fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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