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Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

RuBisCO posted:

I guess now is a nice time to mention but I absolutely love the Pair Up system. Adds a ton of nuance to game in terms of who you should have out front, who you should pair with each other for stat bonuses, and swapping partners when necessary. I haven't played a single map where I don't pair up, and I'll miss it a ton if they don't decide to carry the mechanic into future titles.

I really miss Shove/Smite. Those skills added some very nice strategic elements to PoR/RD. Sad to see them missing in later games.

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ChiTownEddie
Mar 26, 2010

Awesome beer, no pants.
Join the Legion.
Stupid question...how do you pair up haha?

The non-demo prologue part :catstare: Man Im excited for this game.

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar
So when you pair up a unit, how do you get both of them to attack and receive XP? I don't want to pair somebody up just to have one of them not level up proper.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

ChiTownEddie posted:

Stupid question...how do you pair up haha?

The non-demo prologue part :catstare: Man Im excited for this game.

Turn off the tutorial, or wait until chapter 3. Either way it'll show up int he menu if you end movement adjacent to another unit.

e: ^^^^ it's random. The chance of getting a dual strike is based on the skl of the two people, as well as their support level. Note that the back member can never gain the exp for killing, only for damaging.

ee: VVVVVV you don't actually lose experience. In fact, you create some experience out of thin air. In every game you've had to decide who gets each kill. Pairing up your units doesn't reduce the number of kills or anything, it just means you can't have both of them active during the same enemy phase.

cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Feb 4, 2013

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


ImpAtom posted:

Pair Up is a great mechanic. Basically the only complaint I have is that there's often not a reason NOT to pair someone. On Lunatic you're basically asking to get doubled without some minor speed boosts.

I think I'm just not grasping how to best apply Pairing Up. If you Pair Up too much, don't you run the risk of losing out on some EXP for those characters? As far as the utility it provides, though, that truly is quite powerful.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

ImpAtom posted:

Pair Up is a great mechanic. Basically the only complaint I have is that there's often not a reason NOT to pair someone. On Lunatic you're basically asking to get doubled without some minor speed boosts.
The biggest tactical issue I could see is that Pair Up reduces the number of units you have taking up physical space, which could be disadvantageous if you're trying to block a healer off from getting killed.

On the other hand you could just make someone a bulky War Monk and pair them up with another bulky character and just use like 4-6 characters all paired up and camping forts. This works on Lunatic (indeed, it's probably the best idea in some cases on Lunatic).

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Louisgod posted:

So when you pair up a unit, how do you get both of them to attack and receive XP? I don't want to pair somebody up just to have one of them not level up proper.

Characters simply have a chance to duel attack. This chance is modified by the Skill of both units as well as the support level. At an A rank support a character has a base 50% Dual Attack chance.

Dr Pepper fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Feb 4, 2013

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Louisgod posted:

So when you pair up a unit, how do you get both of them to attack and receive XP? I don't want to pair somebody up just to have one of them not level up proper.


Chrom's first skill increases this by another 10%, so gets them fairly often.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Shadow Ninja 64 posted:

I think I'm just not grasping how to best apply Pairing Up. If you Pair Up too much, don't you run the risk of losing out on some EXP for those characters?
Not really? You can just switch the leader as needed, and both units get EXP during a dual strike. And the chance for dual strikes increases as they gain support levels. Which they gain quickly if the same two units are paired up a lot.

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar

Dr Pepper posted:

Characters simply have a chance to duel attack. This chance is modified by the Skill of both units as well as the support level. At an A rank support a character has a base 50% Dual Attack chance.

Terper posted:


Chrom's first skill increases this by another 10%, so gets them fairly often.


Great to know, thanks for the heads up since this wasn't easily apparent on the demo and I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

KoB
May 1, 2009
I'd buy this on the eshop in a heartbeat if Nintendo's online system wasn't the worst thing ever. Ill probably just wait out my amazon order. :(

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Gamestops website still lists my damned bundle as Open. Not pending, not processing, no update whatsoever :argh:

Roguelike
Jul 29, 2006

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Come watch me be bad as I am unable to get past chapter 4 on Lunatic. Archer guy, horse guy, and axe guy are already dead :(

http://www.twitch.tv/roguelike

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"
The music for random skirmish maps should not be this good.:stare:

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

To chime in on Pair-Up chat, it's downright essential. I haven't played normal so maybe you can ignore it there, but on Hard enemies are numerous and strong enough that you need the bonus stats/chance of a Dual Guard saving your rear end to stand a chance. Technically, you do sacrifice the amount of actions you can take, but non-paired units aren't gonna ORKO or tank very well, so...

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Has anyone with an amazon order heard anything yet ? My order is still showing delivery for Wednesday.

Slate Action
Feb 13, 2012

by exmarx

Roguelike posted:

Come watch me be bad as I am unable to get past chapter 4 on Lunatic. Archer guy, horse guy, and axe guy are already dead :(

http://www.twitch.tv/roguelike

A Level 3 enemy Mercenary with 31 HP, 13 Strength, 15 Skill, 13 Speed :stare:

Handsome Ralph posted:

Has anyone with an amazon order heard anything yet ? My order is still showing delivery for Wednesday.

Mine still has not shipped, and is still saying it will arrive on Wednesday.

e:

Slate Action fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Feb 4, 2013

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!
Screw waiting for the preorder.

Went out and bought it during lunch. I was always getting another copy for a friend anyway, so I don't feel bad about it at all!

Started on Normal Classic because I've heard it's around FE8 Hard in difficulty (i.e. pretty easy) and I want my first run to be blind with silly pairings so this seems about right!

Doctor Hospital
Jul 16, 2011

what





Handsome Ralph posted:

Has anyone with an amazon order heard anything yet ? My order is still showing delivery for Wednesday.

Mine is also still showing Wednesday.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

KoB posted:

I'd buy this on the eshop in a heartbeat if Nintendo's online system wasn't the worst thing ever. Ill probably just wait out my amazon order. :(

Took me less than an hour to download it on unreliable Internet in a third world country so there's no excuse.

DrakePegasus
Jan 30, 2009

It was Plundersaurus Rex's dream to be the greatest pirate dragon ever.

Local Gamestop wasn't told until TODAY that their copies wouldn't make it until the 8th. :gonk:

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Goddamn Gamestop this is the worst release I've ever seen. <:mad:>

edit: I honestly don't have that much experience with releases--I normally only preorder things with big midnight releases and unambiguous street dates.

marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Feb 4, 2013

IronDoge
Nov 6, 2008

Roguelike posted:

Come watch me be bad as I am unable to get past chapter 4 on Lunatic. Archer guy, horse guy, and axe guy are already dead :(

http://www.twitch.tv/roguelike
That's neat, how do you stream from your 3ds?

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


Ironsights posted:

That's neat, how do you stream from your 3ds?

http://www.3dscapture.com/

Porndwarf
Dec 23, 2003

Have you seen me?

Roguelike posted:

Come watch me be bad as I am unable to get past chapter 4 on Lunatic. Archer guy, horse guy, and axe guy are already dead :(

http://www.twitch.tv/roguelike

Just looking at the stat differences between attackers and defenders paints a grim picture. :(

Can we get a "That's Fantasy XCOM" smiley?

Porndwarf fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Feb 4, 2013

Slate Action
Feb 13, 2012

by exmarx

Porndwarf posted:

Just looking at the stat differences between attackes and defenders paints a grim picture. :(



I was thinking we need a Fire Emblem version of :darksouls:

Vegastar
Jan 2, 2005

Tigers will do anything for a tuna sandwich.


Cancelled the gently caress out of my GS preorder and converted it to eshop bucks. Downloading now, excited as hell. What a mismanaged launch, but I guess I'd rather pay Nintendo directly anyway.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Is there anything important about Anna and the village in Sidequest 2 or can I just let both of them get wrecked and not worry about getting to them quickly?

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Slate Action posted:



I was thinking we need a Fire Emblem version of :darksouls:

Nah, :xcom: would be more appropriate :colbert:

EDIT: Kinda sorta beaten.

RuBisCO
May 1, 2009

This is definitely not a lie



Sex_Ferguson posted:

Is there anything important about Anna and the village in Sidequest 2 or can I just let both of them get wrecked and not worry about getting to them quickly?

Nope. Anna is recruited in Paralogue 4, don't fret too much about Paralogue 2. You get some bonus items if you save everything, though.

Rock Epidemic
Mar 17, 2001

A general heads up for anyone who is looking to get their hands on a physical copy! I didn't want to have to hog our single XL all of the time, so after deciding against the impulse to just grab the eShop version, I actually ended up having some luck at Target during lunch today. As of this morning, about 2 or 3 of the stores in the Kansas City area seemed to have gotten at least few copies in stock, and it looks like as the day has gone on more of them are reporting inventory. The situation might not be the same for everyone, but it's at least an alternative.

http://www.target.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/p/fire-emblem-awakening-nintendo-3ds/-/A-14411717


cheetah7071 posted:

Turn off the tutorial, or wait until chapter 3.

Also, even though that was directed to other people asking, thanks for that! Even though I really didn't need it on anyway, I admittedly didn't consider that leaving the tutorial on would disable Pairing Up, and was very confused when I couldn't do it.

Zurai
Feb 13, 2012


Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

I'm only playing on Hard, but holy poo poo Donnel with Kellam backing him up is a total loving beast once he gets a couple levels. I had a stupid-hard random Risen fight which was my 9 dudes vs about a dozen Pegasus Knights (half of which had short spears, the other half of which had iron and steel lances), a knight, and some sort of sword dude. There was absolutely nothing I could do to prevent everyone from dying ... except Donnel+Kellam, who took no damage from the short spears or iron lances and barely any from the steel lances and basically demolished the entire level by themselves. I think Donny ended up at half hp after about half a dozen rounds where I had only one active unit against 6 or so to start out with.

Fortunately I'm playing on Casual for this first time through. I still reset for "deaths" in story chapters, but I gave up resetting for these goddamn all-aggro all-flying Risen encounters. Love the experience, but drat they're hard on any unit with less than 15 or so defense.

KoB
May 1, 2009

Calaveron posted:

Took me less than an hour to download it on unreliable Internet in a third world country so there's no excuse.

No, its mostly that I would rather own the game myself, instead of my 3DS owning it. Once Nintendo rolls out the unified Nintendo ID stuff I might actually use it for full price releases.

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.
Ugh. Called my local Target and was cheerfully told that yes! They do have copies of Awakening in stock! Also they're not allowed to sell it to me until Wednesday.

From the sounds of things the guy literally had a copy in his hands but the register refused to let him ring it up. What the gently caress Target your website says it's released already. :mad:

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?
So the neoGAF rumormill is saying that most stores won't get their bundles until the 8th.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me :suicide:

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
I don't know why the gently caress am I still using Virion, the guy's only level 10 (no reclass) and I'm on Chapter 12 and the rear end in a top hat's still only has 6 speed which might as well be "doubled by literally anything" territory at this point. Please tell me he's not actually needed for the plot.

Tipme
Oct 30, 2009
Hi. I'm a Chelsea fan since 2010. Please murder me with a piece of pipe. thanks.
I don't even know why I chose Classic when I reload everytime someone dies anyway. I should suck it up and play this like I played X-Com but...I can't. :negative:

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Tae posted:

I don't know why the gently caress am I still using Virion, the guy's only level 10 (no reclass) and I'm on Chapter 12 and the rear end in a top hat's still only has 6 speed which might as well be "doubled by literally anything" territory at this point. Please tell me he's not actually needed for the plot.

No characters except Avatar and Chrom are really needed for the plot.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?

ImpAtom posted:

No characters except Avatar and Chrom are really needed for the plot.

Well, and that other guy. You know who.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Yep! Only Chrom and the Avatar are plot-required, you can dump everyone else any time you like.

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