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Well, it's not so much recoil... I mean it _is_ so much recoil, but it's not the kickback, it's the kick. That moment of when you pull the trigger and oh look multiple Gs applied directly to your wrist. I've seen it break cheap digitals, I've seen it break phones, and I know one guy bitching at his dial watch that stopped working, but it wasn't that expensive, because people _know better_. It's kind of how G-Shock watches got their name. Remember the old Timex 'It Takes A Licking' ads?
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Feb 4, 2013 22:59
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It's amazing, really, how otherwise sane and rational people simultaneously believe that the evil NOBONGOMER is an evil mastermind dragging the USA down the path of socialism and yet, a bumbling incompetent overwhelmed by his job.
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Feb 4, 2013 23:25
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:It's amazing, really, how otherwise sane and rational people simultaneously believe that the evil NOBONGOMER is an evil mastermind dragging the USA down the path of socialism and yet, a bumbling incompetent overwhelmed by his job. It's much more likely that one group believes one viewpoint, another believes the other, and the media/politicians pander to both groups.
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Feb 4, 2013 23:36
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I personally know people who believe and espouse both positions vocally. Umberto Eco even said that it's a part of the fascist mindset - constant re-framing of the message creates confusion in the minds of the cult's followers, leading to a belief that enemies of the state are both incredibly strong (thus requiring eternal vigilance) and incredibly weak (and are thus doomed to lose against the people). In Obama's case, I think them labeling him as a bumbling fool somehow makes them feel better about losing to him badly twice. I know it doesn't make sense but I think it's more of a defense mechanism than anything else.
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Feb 4, 2013 23:39
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:It's amazing, really, how otherwise sane and rational people simultaneously believe that the evil NOBONGOMER is an evil mastermind dragging the USA down the path of socialism and yet, a bumbling incompetent overwhelmed by his job. That's kind of a prerequisite for conspiratorial thinking. The government has to be both overwhelmingly powerful and scary competent (BUSH DID 9/11!!!!) but also stupid enough to leave a billion loose threads and witnesses behind for the rag-tag non-sheeple to discover THE TRVTH!!! In the end, it's really all just a massive cushion for small minds and fragile egos. A bunch of non-notables who cling to the sort of bullshit peddled over on prisonplanet and by Alex Jones as a way to make their boring lives meaningful.
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Unzip and Attack posted:I personally know people who believe and espouse both positions vocally. Umberto Eco even said that it's a part of the fascist mindset - constant re-framing of the message creates confusion in the minds of the cult's followers, leading to a belief that enemies of the state are both incredibly strong (thus requiring eternal vigilance) and incredibly weak (and are thus doomed to lose against the people). In Obama's case, I think them labeling him as a bumbling fool somehow makes them feel better about losing to him badly twice. I know it doesn't make sense but I think it's more of a defense mechanism than anything else. I was told that I didn't understand "modern communism" the other night at the bar when I called someone out about "the 47%" who don't pay income tax. I think I'm going to buy a copy of the communist manifesto on payday.
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If anyone needs an example of the true nature of the right-wing mindset, just read any article about the statewide ban on public nudity coming out of my home state of NC. Suddenly, the "libertarian conservatives" are very much for this and I honestly haven't read a single blurb about it where they haven't supported such a ban by emphasizing how it stops hippies in Ashville from going topless. And what's wrong with going topless? IT'S GROSS, EWWW. FREEDOM BUT ONLY IF IT'S HOT. Is this sort of hippie-bashing still a cornerstone of right wing media? Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of the doubt as far as being mature.
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Feb 4, 2013 23:59
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De Nomolos posted:If anyone needs an example of the true nature of the right-wing mindset, just read any article about the statewide ban on public nudity coming out of my home state of NC. The nipple ban bill is more about Asheville's mayor and city council taking their cue from developers and trying reorient the town toward Florida snowbird retirees than it is about hippie-punching specifically.
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De Nomolos posted:Is this sort of hippie-bashing still a cornerstone of right wing media? Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of the doubt as far as being mature. You need only look at the political cartoons thread to see that, yes, hippie-bashing is still very much an important facet in the right-wing media. The McCoys, Lester, Ramirez, Allie, and all the other poo poo cartoonists just love drawing liberals as long haired, sandal wearing, free lovers.
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watt par posted:The nipple ban bill is more about Asheville's mayor and city council taking their cue from developers and trying reorient the town toward Florida snowbird retirees than it is about hippie-punching specifically. The first time I went to Asheville, there was a cop on every corner along the main drag. Even then I was like, "welp, guess Asheville's gonna get shut down."
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FlamingLiberal posted:Well Google did blur out the Naval Observatory during the period Cheney lived there, so maybe he just doesn't hunt The Most Dangerous Game on an island? Tragically, Ford ended the Presidential Most Dangerous Game Preserve after Nixon overdid it, risking exposure.
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Zwabu posted:It's funny about right wingers making a total nothing issue like the shotgun photo into some kind of tempest in a teapot, when Sarah Palin wasn't even able to work the bolt on her own drat rifle (her DAD does it for her) in the "caribou hunting" scene on her own drat reality show, suggesting the whole thing about her being a hunting, moose skinning mama is possibly complete bullshit and that she may possibly have not even ever held or fired such a weapon before. Whatever the reality of the situation with Palin, you'd think they'd at least get as excited about something that sets off the bullshit meter so much if they care so much about things being fake: Not only did she not know how to work the drat rifle, she couldn't hit the drat caribou with it. Even more hilarious was that she was shooting .225 at the drat thing, which isn't really a type of cartridge that's capable of killing a caribou (properly, and without making a holy mess of things). While the .225 is slightly better than the .223 rounds everyone is currently freaking out over, shooting .22 anything at a deer (let alone a caribou which is larger) is considered idiotic. Odds are you won't kill it cleanly, you'll simply wound it and it will run the hell away, which is a fiasco for you and the animal. She actually did get called on it. There were more than a few articles at the time, which are still easy to google, where people pointed out that she didn't bring nearly enough gun to be humanely taking down caribou. And should she have managed to hit it, she would have ended up chasing a wounded caribou all over the place trying to put it out of it's misery. They even had various Alaskan park people talking about how you'd want 308 Winchester, or 30-06, or .338 if you wanted to kill a caribou and how shooting .22 at them wasn't exactly a great idea.
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Iron Crowned posted:I was told that I didn't understand "modern communism" the other night at the bar when I called someone out about "the 47%" who don't pay income tax. Somethings not right here. 
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Somethings not right here. I thought Comrade Obama has given a copy to everyone?
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Those commies at Gutenberg and LibriVox have copies. The first ten minutes (that I have had time to listen to) are oddly traditionalist sounding. It's weird thinking of this sort of thing as communist. I seem to recall someone mentioning without first hand experience of the Cold War, young people are going to turn out socialist because right wing media calls everything remotely positive "Socialism" Healthcare? Socialist. Education? Socialist. Food safety inspection? Socialist? Edit:Oh right, young people. Sexual freedom? Socialist. Edit: hosed up the URL tags. Rockopolis fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Feb 5, 2013 |
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So on the one hand I'm reading about how Chris Wallace grilled Wayne LaPierre over some of the NRA's more outlandish claims re: gun control, even going so far as to say (though not in so many words) that the NRA was deliberately misleading the public; and on the other hand, apparently Ann Coulter went on a tirade on Hannity's show regarding Obama's planned "extermination" of 2nd Amendment rights. Am I reading too much into this, or does the left hand literally not know what the right hand is doing at Fox News anymore? I can't imagine they would have splintered this much on the gun control front on purpose, with one of their people grilling the head of the NRA about their "ridiculous" (Wallace's term) ad featuring Obama's daughters, while another of their people continues to push the NRA's message that Obama is coming for ARE GUNS.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:So on the one hand I'm reading about how Chris Wallace grilled Wayne LaPierre over some of the NRA's more outlandish claims re: gun control, even going so far as to say (though not in so many words) that the NRA was deliberately misleading the public; and on the other hand, apparently Ann Coulter went on a tirade on Hannity's show regarding Obama's planned "extermination" of 2nd Amendment rights. Is Coulter actually a Fox "person" as opposed to a frequent guest?
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Rockopolis posted:It's weird thinking of this sort of thing as communist. I seem to recall someone mentioning without first hand experience of the Cold War, young people are going to turn out socialist because right wing media calls everything remotely positive "Socialism" Seriously, that's really going to backfire on them. The word "socialism" may be a  -button for old people, but I've already seen some people (young and old) who seem to have come to the conclusion "So I guess I'm a... socialist, then?  "They're basically redefining the word in the public consciousness to mean "things that are good for people".
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Coriolis posted:Seriously, that's really going to backfire on them. I find this happens most often when I'm discussing pro sports with conservatives. They seem to really resent the large amounts of money the players make and really get pissed off when they hold out or re-negotiate a contract. When I point out that the players should get all they can, that the free market is basically determining their salaries and that the people who pay them are 100 times richer than the players are, they sort of have like a...like a glitch or something. A moment where they're trying to add it all up but all they're getting is the little MAC rainbow pinwheel for a moment. They'll say stuff like "no way those players should be making that money. They're not They're not worth it. There should be a limit". There is. It's called a salary cap. There's also revenue sharing among teams, which is socialism. I'm not sure how they rationalize a "get all you can" mentality on one hand and then claim that players are overpaid. Maybe because most of them aren't white.
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BiggerBoat posted:Maybe because most of them aren't white. Uh, duh? Same reason it's OK for a CEO to get paid orders of magnitude more in options and other compensation than any sports star would ever receive.
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Radbot posted:Uh, duh?
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Zwabu posted:Is Coulter actually a Fox "person" as opposed to a frequent guest? I believe she is merely a guest. She went off the rails years ago and gained Glenn Beck status with FOX, just too crazy to handle but still a draw for certain topics.
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radical meme posted:I believe she is merely a guest. She went off the rails years ago and gained Glenn Beck status with FOX, just too crazy to handle but still a draw for certain topics. If she was deemed too crazy for Fox News she'd be banished to FBN to dwell in the forest alongside Lou Dobbs, Don Imus, and "Judge" Napolitano.
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watt par posted:If she was deemed too crazy for Fox News she'd be banished to FBN to dwell in the forest alongside Lou Dobbs, Don Imus, and "Judge" Napolitano. Napolitano was a Superior Court judge in NJ so I'm not sure what's with the "Judge"? Former governors, Presidents, etc. are sometimes referred to by their public office title (see "Governor Romney" during the Presidential debates, for example).
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It's a joke, yo.
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This is kind of to go along with those posts about Janet Mefferd many pages ago, but the Word FM has some crazy people on it, some of whom I can't remember anymore what their name is and wish I did. I mean, they have the ACLJ on every day, and at least once a week they have a program called The Invisible War which is basically a crazy old man ranting. Then they have XServatives Talk which stars a black conservative man who can't figure out why other African-Americans can't stand the Republicans. And then there's two I wish someone could help me with. One was a guy whose schtick was that his dad was apparently a friend of Al Capone's and how he was the only religious person out of his family. And then there was this late who had this very stoned New Age way of speaking and was mostly pretty much trying to talk about bettering yourself and love and stuff and stuck out like a sore thumb in that there was no hate to turn me off from listening to it after a few minutes.
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BiggerBoat posted:I find this happens most often when I'm discussing pro sports with conservatives. They seem to really resent the large amounts of money the players make and really get pissed off when they hold out or re-negotiate a contract. When I point out that the players should get all they can, that the free market is basically determining their salaries and that the people who pay them are 100 times richer than the players are, they sort of have like a...like a glitch or something. A moment where they're trying to add it all up but all they're getting is the little MAC rainbow pinwheel for a moment. You should also point out that ex-Football players and ex-Hockey players are hitting their mid-life crisis with severe head trauma. With 20 odd years of getting smacked around I'd want as big a salary as possible.
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Lord Lambeth posted:You should also point out that ex-Football players and ex-Hockey players are hitting their mid-life crisis with severe head trauma. With 20 odd years of getting smacked around I'd want as big a salary as possible. Look at where Muhammad Ali is today. 
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Coriolis posted:Seriously, that's really going to backfire on them. They've been redefining socialism for so long that they came all the way back round to the correct definition.
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This was rather interesting, and revealing about Fox news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZMdlgVZl8
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Lord Lambeth posted:You should also point out that ex-Football players and ex-Hockey players are hitting their mid-life crisis with severe head trauma. With 20 odd years of getting smacked around I'd want as big a salary as possible. Avoid the concussion/quality of life after playing discussion entirely because a conservative will just say "What are they whining about? They knew the risks, and got paid ridiculous amounts of money for it!" But if you're already down that path, you can say "Yea, coal mining is dangerous too, but that's no reason not to give miners hard hats or some basic equipment to survive cave-ins"
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Bye bye, Dick Morris
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Unfortunately, Dick just released a statement saying he was 100% sure not only would the contract be renewed but he would also be given a very large raise.
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Lord Lambeth posted:You should also point out that ex-Football players and ex-Hockey players are hitting their mid-life crisis with severe head trauma. With 20 odd years of getting smacked around I'd want as big a salary as possible. I have no pitty for them, they make millions. But if you want to stir the pot you should point out that football only exists because it's socialism (only a few teams actually make enough to exist on their own, the NFL is socialism) and they are unionized to get those high payments. To boot, it's only due to government subsidies their stadiums even exist. Football is nothing more than a government paid for, union run, socialist organization.
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Doctor Butts posted:Avoid the concussion/quality of life after playing discussion entirely because a conservative will just say "What are they whining about? They knew the risks, and got paid ridiculous amounts of money for it!" SilentD posted:I have no pitty for them, they make millions. As if on cue. SilentD posted:But if you want to stir the pot you should point out that football only exists because it's socialism (only a few teams actually make enough to exist on their own, the NFL is socialism) and they are unionized to get those high payments. To boot, it's only due to government subsidies their stadiums even exist. Football is nothing more than a government paid for, union run, socialist organization. If it were actual socialism the government would own the teams and receive all the tv revenue. The NFL's racket is just basic crony capitalism.
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SilentD posted:I have no pitty for them, they make millions. But if you want to stir the pot you should point out that football only exists because it's socialism (only a few teams actually make enough to exist on their own, the NFL is socialism) and they are unionized to get those high payments. To boot, it's only due to government subsidies their stadiums even exist. Football is nothing more than a government paid for, union run, socialist organization. Every single NFL team is one of the top 50 most profitable sports franchises in the world. They do split all the money, but that doesn't mean that any one team isn't extremely profitable by itself.
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SilentD posted:I have no pitty for them, they make millions. But if you want to stir the pot you should point out that football only exists because it's socialism (only a few teams actually make enough to exist on their own, the NFL is socialism) and they are unionized to get those high payments. To boot, it's only due to government subsidies their stadiums even exist. Football is nothing more than a government paid for, union run, socialist organization. I don't pity them exactly, but I empathize. I don't really give a gently caress about the owners.
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