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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Nintendo pushed the ever loving poo poo out of Earthbound when it came out. You knew what it was because it had the BIGGEST BOX IN THE STORE. Seriously, with exception to Mario Paint (which came with a mouse and plastic mouse pad), Earthbound was a monster in the retail store. And every game magazine featured Earthbound ads. I was hyped for the game back when it was being called Mother 2 still in GamePro magazine and you couldn't avoid it. It got better promotion than Final Fantasy III. And it sold like poo poo. Because not only were JRPGs niché at the time but JRPGs were also the most expensive game. In Canada they were all over $100 to buy. This so much. It was EVERYWHERE. Everyone at least talked about it and Nintendo was pushing it as a really big thing. I played it at a friend's house and found it gimmicky. It was interesting but didn't grab me. However, they advertised the hell out of it and bought reviews and all that. The big problem with it amongst the people I played RPG's with was that everyone was either used to "serious" JRPG's like Final Fantasy, Lufia, Secret of Mana, etc or American RPG's that were even more serious in tone. Earthbound looked like some weird kid's game on the surface and it pushed gamers away. We know now underneath it was basically a JRPG with a wry sense of humor about itself, pop culture, and games in general. That said, I think this sort of thing would actually do well now that the genre has evolved and this sort of humor has more appeal amongst gamers. It sounds like the series creator is too unwilling to compromise on their vision of the game to actually do a re-release though. bloodychill fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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bloodychill posted:That said, I think this sort of thing would actually do well now that the genre has evolved and this sort of humor has more appeal amongst gamers. It sounds like the series creator is too unwilling to compromise on their vision of the game to actually do a re-release though.
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Feb 6, 2013 23:55
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theflyingorc posted:If the modern music industry is fine, then the music sampling in Earthbound should be fine. Mother 1/2 didn't "sample" anything, they straight-up lifted sections of very well-known songs, and the moment Nintendo says anything publicly that might suggest culpability they're gonna be sued for unpaid royalties, all in the name of a game that isn't really gonna make them much money either way.
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Feb 7, 2013 00:40
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Bobnumerotres posted:Imagine if they released Earthbound on the Wii U VC and it sold so well they started working on an HD modern Earthbound title. An HD Earthbound done by Monolith in a kind of Edward Gorey/Telltale take on the Windwaker style - I mean, since we're in fantasy land. theflyingorc posted:In his defense, the potential legal problems, if they're being shared accurately, are a bunch of nonsense that shouldn't matter. If the modern music industry is fine, then the music sampling in Earthbound should be fine. Ditto to "the one guy kinda looks like Mr. T". There's no reason that there can't be homages in games like there are everywhere else. I think it just boils down to that there's just enough there that could be problematic that it's not worth the risk for what they'd get back on it. Nintendo is ludicrously conservative in a lot of ways.
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Feb 7, 2013 01:20
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Neo Rasa posted:It's flawed but I do like it more than Twilight Princess personally. The game is bugged wherein it doesn't save that you've been told what a rupee is. So every time you load up your game again, you get to be told what every single item is the first time you pick it up in that session. Other than that the main flaw of the game for me is that they basically removed exploration completely. Also at one point where you do have the opportunity to do an area out of order, due to a glitch if you do it out of order a flag for another dungeon won't trigger and you'll have to restart the entire game. Have a nice day. You can fix your save with that channel in the wii shop
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Feb 7, 2013 01:26
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Mother 1/2 didn't "sample" anything, they straight-up lifted sections of very well-known songs, and the moment Nintendo says anything publicly that might suggest culpability they're gonna be sued for unpaid royalties, all in the name of a game that isn't really gonna make them much money either way. That is exactly what sampling is. I have also listened to every known example, and any references come with major changes. Skyrunner is clearly inspired by Won't Get Fooled Again, but it certainly isn't the same song. If P Diddy has a music career, Earthbound should be above reproach. I understand that it isn't worth it for Nintendo to deal with a suit, but it is ridiculous that the threat even exists.
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Feb 7, 2013 01:28
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Mods? I think it's safe to say that it makes sense to talk about Wii games in this thread, but SNES and Virtual Console talk would be better suited to the eShop thread.
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Feb 7, 2013 01:34
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^^No, keep it in this thread, I don't want to have to read about it in two threads.theflyingorc posted:That is exactly what sampling is. "Sampling" involves getting clearance before you release the product, not paying royalties owed after you get caught out.
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Feb 7, 2013 01:39
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Sampling doesn't imply anything about legality or permission. You can sample something without permission and get reamed for it. You can sample royalty free libraries. You can sample licensed music. It's just taking a bit of something and putting it in another thing.
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Feb 7, 2013 01:42
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:^^No, keep it in this thread, I don't want to have to read about it in two threads. You're the virtual console guy, not me.
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Feb 7, 2013 02:28
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theflyingorc posted:That is exactly what sampling is. The one that always caught my ear was that one that sounds kinda like Johnny B Goode. Most of the questionable music tracks fall into that variety, at least in my opinion. At a glance they kinda sound like these other songs, but when heard next to each other you can really tell they aren't the same, although the Earthbound tracks are definitely inspired by these popular songs, hence the potential legal issues. Also, I think he just goes by Diddy now.
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Feb 7, 2013 04:38
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If Nintendo can't release Punch Out with Mike Tyson without running into potential legal issues, it certainly wouldn't be any different for Earthbound with a Mr. T likeness and potential royalty/copyright music issues. Are people forgetting what the big music industry is like? They have no problem trying to ruin peoples lives with lawsuits for illegally downloading the latest Brittany Spears album, imagine what they would try to do with Nintendo.
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Feb 7, 2013 05:45
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katkillad2 posted:If Nintendo can't release Punch Out with Mike Tyson without running into potential legal issues, it certainly wouldn't be any different for Earthbound with a Mr. T likeness and potential royalty/copyright music issues. I really doubt the Mr.T likeness will ammount to anything, especialy since there are far more obvious offenders.  He even talks like the Mr.T persona too. The Mike Tyson thing used his real name in the original title, it really had nothing to do with a cameo/likeness. Numerious sports games that used the name of the person had to change it later on for re-releases. If there was a sprite version of the character the majority of the time they just put sunglasses over the face to obscure the likeness(they did with with the Offroad series). It's not Earthbound:Featuring Mr.T or anything. The Taint Reaper fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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Feb 7, 2013 05:51
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katkillad2 posted:If Nintendo can't release Punch Out with Mike Tyson without running into potential legal issues, it certainly wouldn't be any different for Earthbound with a Mr. T likeness and potential royalty/copyright music issues. The point breaker with this of course is that Robo's theme in Chrono Trigger is "Never going to give you up" by Rick Astley and that game has been remade a half dozen times (counterpoint: that song has probably been played a billion times where royalties should have been asked and hasn't been) so why is Nintendo so afraid of EarthBound? I'd guess because they already got threatened before.
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Feb 7, 2013 05:57
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katkillad2 posted:If Nintendo can't release Punch Out with Mike Tyson without running into potential legal issues, it certainly wouldn't be any different for Earthbound with a Mr. T likeness and potential royalty/copyright music issues. The problem is that they re-released that version of Punch-Out without Mike Tyson around the late life of the NES along with other handful of classic NES game, and all they needed to do was just remove Nice Tyson's intro at the start and change the sprite to Mr. Dream. That probably took little effort to do on their part. The fact that they'd have to totally conive the creator to change the music, then write the music, then compose the music, then input said mucic into the game would take a lot more effort than Punch-Out!! had. I would love for a VC version of Earthbound in the US but until they can convince the creator to alter the music it probably won't happen. 
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Feb 7, 2013 05:58
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Not to backseat mod but we should get away from all the Earthbound talk. It's not going to happen and any discussion on the contrary is just nerd fantasy until NOA throws us a bone. I know it's the principle of it, but if you want to experience any of the games in the Mother series you can do so easily thanks to the dedicated fanbase. This probably contributes heavily to Nintendo's apathy on the subject! So anyhow, I can't believe I'll be sampling Monster Hunter two weeks from now. Picking up my Wii U in November and dicking around in Nintendo Land, March seemed so far away. It's such a pleasant surprise I'll get to try 80% of the reason I bought the loving console a month in advance.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:04
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The "great" thing about the legal system in the US is, it doesn't really matter if your intentions are lawfully just or not. I remember that EA got into some legal trouble when they had a Legends team with a lot of players who weren't named but could be identified as probably being those players. I just looked it up and apparently the lawsuit was dismissed but how much in lawyer fees did that cost EA? If Mr. T wants to sue someone for using his likeness I pity the fool! I imagine the profit to be made from putting Earthbound on the virtual console isn't probably worth the risk.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:10
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Bobnumerotres posted:Not to backseat mod but we should get away from all the Earthbound talk. It's not going to happen and any discussion on the contrary is just nerd fantasy until NOA throws us a bone. I know it's the principle of it, but if you want to experience any of the games in the Mother series you can do so easily thanks to the dedicated fanbase. This probably contributes heavily to Nintendo's apathy on the subject! Could this subforum afford to have a "All Things Nintendo" thread?
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Feb 7, 2013 06:17
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If you put a moratorium on boring circular played-out "arguments" then you might as well delete the entire thread and every thread like it.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:20
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Could this subforum afford to have a "All Things Nintendo" thread? There already have been a few "General Nintendo Stuff" threads and they bomb because ban threats get handed out when any of the following things come up: A. Nintendo is doomed B. Earthbound C. The poor quality of [insert series here] (usually Zelda) compared to its glory days. And it's honestly for the best because it'd just be a never ending spiral of  that amounts to nothing instead of insightful discussion.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:23
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Also part of the reason earthbound is so expensive on the secondary market is that there are people out there who own hundreds of copies. The game was not a low production run at all, it had around the same numbers as Mother 2 in Japan and was a full blown release. Meanwhile Mother 2 can be had for mere pennies, it's 20 dollars at the most but you can find it for around 5-10 bucks. People are hoarding it thinking it's going to go up like Gold Prices and they'll have enough to retire on, just like how people thought comics books and action figures would do the same in the 90's.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:29
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The other day I bought The Cave in a drunken stupor, and drat, do I regret it. Aside from the narration and and the quirky characters I don't find much of it very appealing. The gameplay is incredibly boring and the puzzles are overly simplistic. I know a lot of people commented on this already but I didn't know at the time, I just went ahead trusting DF without knowing anything about the game.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:30
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Chernabog posted:The other day I bought The Cave in a drunken stupor, and drat, do I regret it. Aside from the narration and and the quirky characters I don't find much of it very appealing. The gameplay is incredibly boring and the puzzles are overly simplistic. I know a lot of people commented on this already but I didn't know at the time, I just went ahead trusting DF without knowing anything about the game. From what I've heard a patch is in the works that'll fix the sometimes wonky physics and several game-breaking bugs/traps. If that isn't the issue you're having and you just think the game at its core is bad then I'm sorry dude. If it makes you feel better I've spent 1200+ dollars on steam games in total and all of my PC gaming is TF2, Dark Souls, SWTor, and Path of Exile. Only one of those games wasn't free.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:36
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I haven't experienced any bugs, really. I just think the mechanics are poorly conceived. Too much backtracking. Too much walking around with different characters. Then the characters don't even feel that different to each other. Compare it to Trine, where what character you pick actually changes how you play. In here, most of the puzzles can be solved with any character. If it happens to need a special character then their ability is basically just a way to get to the other side.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:45
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Chernabog posted:The other day I bought The Cave in a drunken stupor, and drat, do I regret it. Aside from the narration and and the quirky characters I don't find much of it very appealing. The gameplay is incredibly boring and the puzzles are overly simplistic. I know a lot of people commented on this already but I didn't know at the time, I just went ahead trusting DF without knowing anything about the game. I really like the game but the narration isn't good, it feels like it was written the the Zybourne Clock team.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:48
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Meh, it made me smirk a couple of times. It is no Portal or Bastion though.
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Feb 7, 2013 07:14
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katkillad2 posted:If Nintendo can't release Punch Out with Mike Tyson without running into potential legal issues, it certainly wouldn't be any different for Earthbound with a Mr. T likeness and potential royalty/copyright music issues.
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Feb 7, 2013 08:06
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We could always use the Wii U thread to talk about its games, its miiverse, the modern face of Nintendo operations, and sweet sweet Xenoblades new baby. Frankly the most interesting thing is that Nintendo is restructuring their game divisions not out of emergency like Sony but out of a perceived inefficiency. I find that interesting as heck. Nintendo is often seen as a slow dinosaur since they have been making games for over 30 years. They beat Atari's rear end with a cheaper faster machine and a president that thought marketing shouldn't be telling its developers what games to make. This is the Nintendo most of us grew up loving. That Nintendo changed to me with the start of the Ds and the Wii. I can't put my finger on it yet. But this Iwata Nintendo is different. They are breaking from the pissing contest of hardware power and risking it all on innovative hardware. And its working. And as of late they are restructuring and collaborating like never before. I haven't been this excited about Nintendo since I saw my baby sitter play super Mario for the first time. Oh and whatever this is...  I am honestly surprised they didn't doctor it up to look like Fludd. Upsidads fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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Feb 7, 2013 08:32
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Looks like Google Maps? Mapping out the Nintendo HQ?
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Feb 7, 2013 08:42
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Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Japan's getting the Streetview app thing today, that pic is from Iwata Asks.
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Feb 7, 2013 08:48
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I hate to belabor the point about Earthbound, but I have a feeling there's more to it than just copyright issues with specific songs. In Brawl, absolutely no music originating from Mother 2 appears at all. I'm fairly certain Fourside's music was the only track from Melee that wasn't carried over to Brawl, but a reference to the track appears internally in the code. There's also references to new renditions of Mother 2 songs that just never got made for the game. I'm fairly certain Fourside isn't one of the pieces that had copyright issues, so it's always been suspect to me.
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Feb 7, 2013 16:33
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Looks like Rayman Legends is delayed until September. It's also coming to 360 and PS3 which I mention because you could infer that Murphy levels must not be a major focus of the game if it's getting ported to other consoles. http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/07/rayman-legends-delayed-to-september-also-coming-to-xbox-360-and/
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Feb 7, 2013 17:32
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Atomicated posted:Looks like Rayman Legends is delayed until September. It's also coming to 360 and PS3 which I mention because you could infer that Murphy levels must not be a major focus of the game if it's getting ported to other consoles. Haha, well it looks like I won't be buying a U this month like I planned. Guess I'll be waiting 'til MonHan comes out.
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Feb 7, 2013 17:38
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Atomicated posted:Looks like Rayman Legends is delayed until September. It's also coming to 360 and PS3 which I mention because you could infer that Murphy levels must not be a major focus of the game if it's getting ported to other consoles. Who the gently caress delays a game by seven months the very month it's supposed to come out? This is ridiculous.
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Feb 7, 2013 17:40
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Jesus Christ, they're sending that thing to die. GTA 5 comes out in September!
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Feb 7, 2013 17:41
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I was really banking on being able to play that this month. Oh well, some money saved at least?
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Feb 7, 2013 17:42
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Atomicated posted:Looks like Rayman Legends is delayed until September. It's also coming to 360 and PS3 which I mention because you could infer that Murphy levels must not be a major focus of the game if it's getting ported to other consoles. The more people who have the opportunity to play the game, the better. However, delaying what appeared to be a nearly complete game for the sake of having a simultaneous launch rubs me the wrong way. As an aside, given the game's new release date, I wouldn't be surprised if it joins Orbis and Durango's respective launch line-ups later in the year. The Operative fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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Feb 7, 2013 17:43
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Paying Nintendo to host/promote that eShop demo this far out probably feels a little silly now.
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Feb 7, 2013 17:45
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Well, this is kind of a blessing I guess? At least we know now it's coming to multiple platforms, unlike the poor saps who got suckered into NG3: Razor's Edge only to just find out an even more expanded version of that is coming to PS3 and 360.The Operative posted:As an aside, given the game's new release date, I wouldn't be surprised if it joins Orbis and Durango's respective launch line-ups later in the year. Yeah, I just thought of that. Durango and Orbis are supposed to be November-Decemberish right? I could see it joining up, like people think GTA 5 is, to their lineups.
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Policenaut posted:Jesus Christ, they're sending that thing to die. GTA 5 comes out in September! I think the audiences for GTA and Rayman are made up of different demographics even if there's a good amount of overlap. Now if Nintendo commissioned a New Super Mario Bros. U2 title for release in September just to spite Ubisoft, then that would be sending the game out to die at retail.
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