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pseudorandom name posted:Not for long, Jeff Atwood is poised to change the world with his revolutionary new forum software, Discourse! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5173443
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To be fair, around here if you fail to read FAQs and community guidelines you are very likely to earn a badge of some sort  edit: anyone have a link to the yospos thread? kitten smoothie fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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Feb 6, 2013 15:18
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Maluco Marinero posted:What is it that makes people feel this way? When I started up I glanced at Ruby but ended up settling with Python. What on earth are they talking about when they say omakase, I read the article but what is it exactly that has made the community so repellent for some, too opinionated, too resistant to change? nielsm posted:INI files are great for simple configuration stuff. For more complex configuration things like JSON or Yaml are better. (Never use XML.)
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Feb 6, 2013 16:04
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Pilsner posted:Just the natural indentation alone makes it more humanly readable than an INI file to me. You may be the only living human being that thinks XML is more readable than an INI file (incidentally, in the typical use case for an INI file there really isn't anything that benefits from indentation. If you like that sort of thing though, YAML may be for you! even though end users will gently caress it up and make a file that won't parse)
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Feb 6, 2013 16:15
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On the topic of language smugness: Scala people are very smug as well, but I can't determine whether the smugness is justified. I'm used to doing C++/C# and esp. on the C# side I'm already very  about LINQ and async/await. Should I ever need to build something on the JVM, would Scala make sense?
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Feb 6, 2013 16:25
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Bunny Cuddlin posted:I can't wait to see the insightful, high level exploratory articles that come out of this effort like "A Little Known SQL Feature: The Outer Join" and "What ARE Css Selectors?" What's the basis for comments like this? I guess haven't paid enough attention to Jeff Atwood to get the joke.
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Feb 6, 2013 16:36
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Look up his MVC tutorial to understand the depth of horror that is Jeff Atwood.
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Feb 6, 2013 17:06
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Munkeymon posted:What's the basis for comments like this? I guess haven't paid enough attention to Jeff Atwood to get the joke.
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Feb 6, 2013 17:27
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Pilsner posted:What's wrong with XML now? Sure you could say it's overkill, but for many situations, the tiny performance hit doesn't matter. Just the natural indentation alone makes it more humanly readable than an INI file to me. XML doesn't have natural indentation though, it's just unreadable if it's not pretty-printed, which isn't really a point in its favor. If you want "natural indentation", you should probably prefer YAML, which is far far better suited to configuration usage.
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Feb 6, 2013 17:31
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Sagacity posted:On the topic of language smugness: Scala people are very smug as well, but I can't determine whether the smugness is justified. I'm used to doing C++/C# and esp. on the C# side I'm already very
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Feb 6, 2013 17:36
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Sagacity posted:On the topic of language smugness: Scala people are very smug as well, but I can't determine whether the smugness is justified. I'm used to doing C++/C# and esp. on the C# side I'm already very HEY. That's mostly David Pollak. I'm not sure how bad you'd consider it being now. Any article written before around 2011 is pretty intolerable, but the smugness seems to have mellowed out. Sedro posted:It's very expressive and allows you to code in both a functional and a Java-like style. There is a CLR implementation but I think it's dead. Yeah, the last commit to that .NET project was a year ago, so I'm thinking dead.
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Feb 6, 2013 18:42
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Plorkyeran posted:Back when he was blogging daily a lot of his posts presented fairly basic things as if they were earth-shattering revelations that no one had thought of before. One of the reasons that many people expected SO to fail is that it would be populated with people who found Jeff Atwood's blog educational, and thus utterly unqualified to actually answer any questions. When I started reading it, I figured that MVC article Sandisky mentioned was backfill in that he figured that, since he has a popular programming blog, he should mention these popular patterns for the sake of form, or something, but then he goes and misrepresents it  At least the timing made sense when I realized he's just Microsoft-centric and was just mentioning it because there was finally a halfway decent web framework for microsofties.I know about FizzBuzz, but please tell me there actually is a post about left joins
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Feb 6, 2013 18:44
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Sagacity posted:On the topic of language smugness: Scala people are very smug as well, but I can't determine whether the smugness is justified. I'm used to doing C++/C# and esp. on the C# side I'm already very Scala is pretty sweet, and I hugely prefer it (and Clojure) for JVM work over Java. It has some nice concurrency features and plays well with existing Java libraries, too. The biggest problem I've had with it is that the compiler is slow and needs a lot of memory for any reasonably sized project, and if you don't feel like setting up stuff like sbt yourself you'll probably want an IDE to handle all of the build bullshit for you, which increases the footprint even more. I use IDEA for Scala work, which is nice, but does mean Scala development was basically impossible on my old laptop with 1GB of memory.
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Feb 6, 2013 19:33
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kitten smoothie posted:To be fair, around here if you fail to read FAQs and community guidelines you are very likely to earn a badge of some sort the sh/sc thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3470954 the yospos thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3471311
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Feb 6, 2013 19:36
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He originally posted the sh/sc thread in qcs for some reason
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Feb 6, 2013 20:24
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ToxicFrog posted:The biggest problem I've had with it is that the compiler is slow and needs a lot of memory for any reasonably sized project So much memory, drat. The newer incremental compile stuff has at least helped with the slowness.
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Feb 6, 2013 23:14
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WHOIS John Galt posted:the sh/sc thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3470954 Holy poo poo. He spoke to my university's computer club a while back (like two years ago) and was talking about discussion, moderation, etc. and I'm pretty sure I explained SA moderation to him.
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Feb 6, 2013 23:33
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Suspicious Dish posted:How do these Rails guys write something like the Omasake post and go "hm, yeah, that's a worthwhile article that I should post on the internet" I'm curious about the author's reaction now that it seems as though it's widely mocked, complete with an exploit named after it.
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Feb 7, 2013 00:07
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Toady posted:I'm curious about the author's reaction now that it seems as though it's widely mocked, complete with an exploit named after it. If being widely mocked was going to stop DHH, he would have been gone a long time ago
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Feb 7, 2013 00:25
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Toady posted:I'm curious about the author's reaction now that it seems as though it's widely mocked, complete with an exploit named after it. As someone who has written posts on my blog which seemed like a good idea at the time, but which got badly mocked by hundreds of people when, say HN or reddit found them, I would say that the author probably hadn't thought it through as thoroughly as he claimed when he wrote the post. Basically, people start mocking, and you go through the "Oh gently caress, I must be an idiot" stage, then you realise that quite a bit of the mockery is from people whose ideas are worse than your own. You think about your own ideas a bit more and either go "Welp, I was wrong!" publicly, or you stick to your guns and go "I'm right and if you don't agree you're an idiot", or you try to burn your web presence, and hope that everyone goes away, or... you know... say "My opinion has changed, but it's still pretty much this: <blah blah blah>" No Safe Word posted:If being widely mocked was going to stop DHH, he would have been gone a long time ago DHH goes for the "I'm right and if you don't agree you're an idiot" approach to dealing with mockery
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Feb 7, 2013 00:31
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b0lt posted:I've heard of people who eat their own feces and enjoy it. quote:You must hate version control systems, we won't be using any. You must hate commenting and documenting code, it's redundant to anyone who can read the code. You must hate block-style css, it over-abstracts layout. You must hate optmizing code or writing efficient code, that's not the point. Everything we do here prioritizes the ability for the client to make changes. That's the only speed that counts. This is a troll, right? RIGHT? e: so where does how!! work? bobthecheese fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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Feb 7, 2013 00:54
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Toady posted:I'm curious about the author's reaction now that it seems as though it's widely mocked, complete with an exploit named after it. The exploit was named omakase, as it was a result of an "omakase" decision made by Rails core 3 years ago (let's not use the JSONGem because Yaji or Yaml gem already handles it!) https://github.com/rails/rails/commit/a87683fb38d6cf66f39a7bd3faa6c969c63b1f46 But if you want to know the context of the rails is omakase post. It was essentially dhh fighting with the rest of the Rails team and other well known ruby developers over a single line in .gitignore. https://github.com/rails/rails/commit/61b91c4c55bcbd5a2ec85d6e1c67755150653dff Basically if one developer doesn't use the same ruby version manager (rvm or rbenv) and doesn't use the same ruby eg. MRI (Ruby, JRuby) you're going to get a lot of commit changes in your bin/ folder which gets annoying. People working on Rails, rbenv and Bundler (gem version management) were arguing to ignore /bin. dhh said, "nope" Hence omakase.
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Feb 7, 2013 01:09
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b0lt posted:I've heard of people who eat their own feces and enjoy it. Hahah I just noticed this one that page: derp posted:Pay rate: 20'000 - 40'000 based on expertise This place is only a 40 minute drive from where I live. Maybe I should apply. :iamafag:
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Feb 7, 2013 01:20
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Optimus Prime Ribs posted:Hahah I just noticed this one that page: If there was an amount you could pay me to do that job, that is surely not it. Strong Sauce posted:But if you want to know the context of the rails is omakase post. It was essentially dhh fighting with the rest of the Rails team and other well known ruby developers over a single line in .gitignore. Ho-Le-poo poo So is he actually advocating putting compiled products into source control. or is /bin somehow different in the Ruby context? Edit: Ok, yeah, dear god
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Feb 7, 2013 02:13
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Sagacity posted:On the topic of language smugness: Scala people are very smug as well, but I can't determine whether the smugness is justified. I'm used to doing C++/C# and esp. on the C# side I'm already very Scala is very awesome. Its a really interesting time, macros are changing a whole bunch of things (trying to add compile-time checked enums with sane syntax or type-checking SQL queries against the live database schema)
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Feb 7, 2013 02:13
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ultramiraculous posted:Ho-Le-poo poo Stuff in bin is not necessarily a binary executable. But the files contents can change between different developer's environments.
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Feb 7, 2013 02:16
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quote:It's imo an anti-pattern to have developers working on the same app use different tool chains like that. I don't think he understands what an anti-pattern is besides 'a bad thing'.
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Feb 7, 2013 02:30
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Strong Sauce posted:Stuff in bin is not necessarily a binary executable. But the files contents can change between different developer's environments.
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Feb 7, 2013 02:47
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bobthecheese posted:This is a troll, right? RIGHT? http://www.g-sin.com/ http://gsin.holophrasticenterprises.com/ (both point to same IP) since it sure looks like they're developing websites for corporations that have references to pipes/pipelines in the source
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Feb 7, 2013 03:03
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yaoi prophet posted:I don't think he understands what an anti-pattern is besides 'a bad thing'. This bizarre linguistic overreach is more common than you think (eg. a guy on hn called Harvard expelling the guys they caught copy&pasting an exam an "anti-pattern"). I think it's part of a more common pattern(  ) of nerds using technical language in non-technical contexts to make an assertion, as if using jargon to do so made it impossible for people to call them on their bullshit. Paul Graham does something similar with the phrase "it turns out".
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Feb 7, 2013 03:27
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Plorkyeran posted:They really shouldn't, though. One of the main points of using bundler + rbenv/rvm is to have as close to identical environments as possible. I've only used rvm but apparently the whole problem comes down to the shebang generated by this file in bundler https://github.com/carlhuda/bundler/blob/master/lib/bundler/templates/Executable.standalone If you read further down the thread, wycats (creator of bundler) even advises against putting binstubs into repo since they are not portable.
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Sang- posted:macros are changing a whole bunch of things (trying to add compile-time checked enums with sane syntax or type-checking SQL queries against the live database schema) Or the fact that the compiler is so slow you need an additional compiler service up and running, just to get any performance out of it. Or the fact that everyone seems to hate sbt. Sure, these are things that can be worked around, but these are issues that probably need to be solved soon. I'm guessing otherwise Scala will be one of those languages that everyone finds cool and interesting, but nobody is actually using in production.
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Feb 7, 2013 10:51
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Sagacity posted:This is why I asked the question here: I am personally not so sure I find compile-time checks of SQL queries all that awesome. Whats wrong with compile checks of your SQL? You want to know that "select avg(age) from users;" will return a float, rather than a List[String] right? Or that "select username from users;" will return a List[String]? Seems like a pretty handy feature to me  For 99% of what you want to do, sbt config is about 6-10 lines, and for bigger things like Play, the play command will create the sbt config for you. And plenty of people (Twitter, LinkedIn, Morgan Stanley, FourSquare etc) are using Scala in production.
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Feb 7, 2013 15:18
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Re: Coding horrors: post the code that makes you laugh (or cry) I want to post the whole code of osCommerce. Is the horror incarnated. Is very complex, but actually is only one layer (mix sql, html, css and php freely). It uses lots of function that call other functions, but achieve not separation of logic and style with it, more like ofucating where all these "<td>" and "<tr>" come from, that you can't change it. Of course, the creators had a crush with global variables and probably developed the whole thing with magic_quotes on. Most "plugins" for osCommerce are actually patch that you must apply manually searching and replacing / inserting code in random files.
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Feb 7, 2013 17:20
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Here's a language you should never learn: WebDNA.code:pre:loldb=jokes.db]Error: Error: expected [/FUNCTIONSPACE], but found [/search] instead[/search]
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Feb 8, 2013 00:09
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http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14790550/i-want-to-write-an-app-for-my-gf-any-suggestions Maybe not a coding horror in the traditional sense (or maybe it is) but it sure made me pull the  faceVVV Ah, basically the thread title was "I want to write an app for my gf any suggestions" And the first line was "Well, she's my ex actually. I wanted to write an app for her to show her how much I missed her" NtotheTC fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 9, 2013 |
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Feb 9, 2013 19:50
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Any info beyond the URL? It seems to have been removed.
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Feb 9, 2013 20:26
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Seems like he regrets it already. Good.
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Feb 9, 2013 20:35
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Here's google's cached version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...any-suggestions
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