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RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Darkrenown posted:

you don't actually need to click on someone's provinces often/at all to fight them.

This is obviously a difference of opinion thing because I probably spend more time looking at province stats than anything else other than directing armies while fighting wars (checking fort levels and garrisons, supply limit, province revolt risk, etc.) and it makes the diplomacy view fairly awkward for actually fighting with.

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BigRoman
Jun 19, 2005
Viki 2 AHD question:

So Ive played Eu3 and Crusader Kings a ton and was able to pick things up pretty easily, but this game seems to have a much steeper learning curve.

I just started playing this game as the Netherlands, conquered Belgium at the start and established protectorates over Atejh, Johore and Brunei. At this point I would be completely content to build up my industry and colonies the East Indies, but since the start of the game France and Great Britain have been taking turns attacking me every 5 years. I was able to hold off the British for a war or 3 without making any concessions, and I was able to do the same with France (only because I was allied with Prussia and they came to my aid) but I've been in a state of constant defensive warfare for about 15 to 20 years my attrition is close to 100% and my militancy is a perfect 10 (because I've been refusing peace so often) resulting in Belgian, Flemish, and Jacobin rebellions that I have to put down like clockwork.

My question is how do I keep Great Britain and France from tag teaming me? I'm afraid Im not too familiar with the diplomacy in this game. Is it as simple as raising relations with them whenever possible? Or do they have set goals like the French acquiring Dutch Guyana and the English freeing/controlling Belgium? Why am I the only Western European Nation that seems to draw their ire? Does my high BB (its in the teens from establishing my protectorates, but well below the limit) play into this?

Speaking of militancy, will passing social reforms cut back on this? I don't see any reforms that cut back on Jacobinism or lessen nationalist sentiment. Is there any reason not to pass a reform as soon as it can get through the legislature (except for ones that will cost me money to perform) or am I better served to wait until over 50% of my pop wants it?

Zip
Mar 19, 2006

Fintilgin posted:

Deleting moneyin.wav and moneyout.wav - the best thing I've ever done for EUIII. :aaaaa:

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replace it with the cash register sounds from pink floyd's "Money"

Orv
May 4, 2011
So over in the CK2 thread we're attempting to set up a large CK2 multiplayer game. We're aiming for the max of 32 players but it's probably going to shake out to be more like 15-20ish. If you're interested, go and fill out the appropriate info in this google doc and come on over to the CK2 thread for more discussion. We're not sure on CK2+ or not, and I'm thinking we might limit it to ducal equivalent or lesser titles, but otherwise it's all up in the air.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Zip posted:

replace it with the cash register sounds from pink floyd's "Money"

Or just do what I do and listen to Money on loop while playing.

Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet
Mainz is being a maverick in this latest EU3+ game.

Crameltonian
Mar 27, 2010
I've seen things like that happen a fair few times in EU3+, there was also one time in Miscmods when the electors took the 'Holy' part a little too literally.



And he took over from the King of Cascadia, the electors apparently decided to conduct elections by getting drunk and voting for whichever candidate seemed most amusing at the time.

e: This was also the game which saw the Teotl Republic of Great Britain:



And Jewish Spain:


As the Papacy I probably should have brought them back to the True Faith but I found them far too adorable to crush. Miscmods could produce some pretty crazy poo poo at times.

Crameltonian fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Feb 10, 2013

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

:stare: dat Gotland. Was that you or did Sweden somehow manage to implode on its own? Also if I may ask, any tips for playing the Papcy like that? I could never manage to do better than securing a small North African colony in most of my games as them.



Random unrelated thing but has Paradox said anything about converting your state's culture in EUIV? I'm really hoping my Teutonic Order -> Russia games are still possible :ohdear:.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

DrProsek posted:

:stare: dat Gotland. Was that you or did Sweden somehow manage to implode on its own? Also if I may ask, any tips for playing the Papcy like that? I could never manage to do better than securing a small North African colony in most of my games as them.



Random unrelated thing but has Paradox said anything about converting your state's culture in EUIV? I'm really hoping my Teutonic Order -> Russia games are still possible :ohdear:.

They play a lot like any other OPM/tiny nation that can't trade. Mint to unhealthy amounts of inflation while conquering all your easy neighbors (southern italy/sicily) and leaping on any opportunities to expand against the harder targets (Italian HRE provinces.) Now you're 50-100 years into the game and you've conquered basically all of Italy and you're sitting at 10-20% inflation. Start paying down your inflation while conquering the rest of the world, you've won.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

uPen posted:

They play a lot like any other OPM/tiny nation that can't trade. Mint to unhealthy amounts of inflation while conquering all your easy neighbors (southern italy/sicily) and leaping on any opportunities to expand against the harder targets (Italian HRE provinces.) Now you're 50-100 years into the game and you've conquered basically all of Italy and you're sitting at 10-20% inflation. Start paying down your inflation while conquering the rest of the world, you've won.

Huh, normally I treat inflation like the plague so I gather forces slower than my neighbors do, so I stay as close to 0 as possible. Guess that's why my OPM/Tiny Nation games go so badly :buddy:. I'll try minting more in the future, thanks!

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

DrProsek posted:

Huh, normally I treat inflation like the plague so I gather forces slower than my neighbors do, so I stay as close to 0 as possible. Guess that's why my OPM/Tiny Nation games go so badly :buddy:. I'll try minting more in the future, thanks!

10% inflation is nothing, 20% is where you need to start worrying a little. If you don't mint the gently caress out of the first decade as an OPM to gather an army/invest in merchants it tends to be a lot harder. One of the reasons I like Aachen so much, they have pretty drat nice sliders for trading, decently wealthy capital province, and after a decade I'm making more money than anyone else in the world.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Kavak posted:

To play devil's advocate, I've always been hesitant about instituting pure cognatic succession in my games because of this scenario:

1. Eldest daughter is married matrilineally, inherits throne.
2. Her daughter is eldest child and heir to throne, is not married matrilineally, children are of husband's dynasty.
3. Daughter's daughter dies and throne passes out of dynasty, game over.

There's probably something I'm forgetting that makes that scenario irrelevant and I'll be using Wiz's Equality Mod when I try CK2 again, but that's why I always stops at Agnatic-Cognatic.

A little old but I personally love cognatic succession and playing with a very Matriarchal noble House where its the women who are the powerful ones and the men are just there for babies and dying in droves to protect them.

I'm actually kind of shocked that society didn't really turn out that way.

Mechanically though I've been tended to cheat it and use feudal elective and just hand pick the girls to succeed, but that's because the RNG hates me with a passion and won't make my eldest Genius-Strong like the mom/dad, holy crap. 8 children and not one inherits the trait?

Crameltonian
Mar 27, 2010

DrProsek posted:

:stare: dat Gotland. Was that you or did Sweden somehow manage to implode on its own? Also if I may ask, any tips for playing the Papcy like that? I could never manage to do better than securing a small North African colony in most of my games as them.



Random unrelated thing but has Paradox said anything about converting your state's culture in EUIV? I'm really hoping my Teutonic Order -> Russia games are still possible :ohdear:.

Sweden actually managed to form Scandinavia before imploding all on its one, IIRC it and Britain managed to get into a mutually self-destructive war. As you can see most of the great powers in that game had... issues with rebels. Seems to happen a lot with Miscmods, Britain almost always implodes with or without my help.

The advice above is good, I'd also suggest joining the HRE so you don't get the Emperor stomping on you every time you want to attack a member. Also if you can get an alliance with Austria one Day one, you definitely want them on your side/at least not against you. Beyond that yeah, it's all a matter of opportunism so the first few decades may be a little frustrating.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Raenir Salazar posted:

A little old but I personally love cognatic succession and playing with a very Matriarchal noble House where its the women who are the powerful ones and the men are just there for babies and dying in droves to protect them.

I'm actually kind of shocked that society didn't really turn out that way.

I can't remember where I read it - it might have been a Rider Haggard book - but I seem to recall one bit of fiction where an old man explains that in their society, they have queens and pass on the crown matrilineally because that way, you can be damned sure the royal heir is of the royal blood.

BigRoman posted:

Viki 2 AHD question:

So Ive played Eu3 and Crusader Kings a ton and was able to pick things up pretty easily, but this game seems to have a much steeper learning curve.

I just started playing this game as the Netherlands, conquered Belgium at the start and established protectorates over Atejh, Johore and Brunei. At this point I would be completely content to build up my industry and colonies the East Indies, but since the start of the game France and Great Britain have been taking turns attacking me every 5 years. I was able to hold off the British for a war or 3 without making any concessions, and I was able to do the same with France (only because I was allied with Prussia and they came to my aid) but I've been in a state of constant defensive warfare for about 15 to 20 years my attrition is close to 100% and my militancy is a perfect 10 (because I've been refusing peace so often) resulting in Belgian, Flemish, and Jacobin rebellions that I have to put down like clockwork.

My question is how do I keep Great Britain and France from tag teaming me? I'm afraid Im not too familiar with the diplomacy in this game. Is it as simple as raising relations with them whenever possible? Or do they have set goals like the French acquiring Dutch Guyana and the English freeing/controlling Belgium? Why am I the only Western European Nation that seems to draw their ire? Does my high BB (its in the teens from establishing my protectorates, but well below the limit) play into this?

Speaking of militancy, will passing social reforms cut back on this? I don't see any reforms that cut back on Jacobinism or lessen nationalist sentiment. Is there any reason not to pass a reform as soon as it can get through the legislature (except for ones that will cost me money to perform) or am I better served to wait until over 50% of my pop wants it?

I'm by no means an expert on V2, so take this all with a grain of salt. But militancy is a general revolt risk thing - just indicates that they're pissed off. Social/political reforms can help, but only if the reason they're pissed off in the first place has to do with social/political issues to begin with. What exactly are France and Britain demanding, anyways? It may be easier to just pay them off and let your country recover by this point. If everyone's at 10 militancy, your country is already in terrible shape, anyhow.

As for Jacobins and nationalists, Jacobins seem to be the default "We Are Unhappy" rebels when they've got no better causes to rebel about. Reducing militancy in general should pare them down to more reasonable numbers. As for nationalists, I'm afraid that as long as you occupy foreign lands, you will have nationalists. This IS the age of revolution and nationalism. The best thing to do is to try and keep them so content they don't rise up, and even then you'll probably have to stomp on the occasional rebellion.

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go
I just wanted to make sure, Darkest Hour's latest patch is 1.03 RC2, and Kaisserreich's is compatible with said patch, correct?

Farecoal fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Feb 10, 2013

Chump Farts
May 9, 2009

There is no Coordinator but Narduzzi, and Shilique is his Prophet.

BigRoman posted:

Viki 2 AHD question:

So Ive played Eu3 and Crusader Kings a ton and was able to pick things up pretty easily, but this game seems to have a much steeper learning curve.

I just started playing this game as the Netherlands, conquered Belgium at the start and established protectorates over Atejh, Johore and Brunei. At this point I would be completely content to build up my industry and colonies the East Indies, but since the start of the game France and Great Britain have been taking turns attacking me every 5 years. I was able to hold off the British for a war or 3 without making any concessions, and I was able to do the same with France (only because I was allied with Prussia and they came to my aid) but I've been in a state of constant defensive warfare for about 15 to 20 years my attrition is close to 100% and my militancy is a perfect 10 (because I've been refusing peace so often) resulting in Belgian, Flemish, and Jacobin rebellions that I have to put down like clockwork.

My question is how do I keep Great Britain and France from tag teaming me? I'm afraid Im not too familiar with the diplomacy in this game. Is it as simple as raising relations with them whenever possible? Or do they have set goals like the French acquiring Dutch Guyana and the English freeing/controlling Belgium? Why am I the only Western European Nation that seems to draw their ire? Does my high BB (its in the teens from establishing my protectorates, but well below the limit) play into this?

Speaking of militancy, will passing social reforms cut back on this? I don't see any reforms that cut back on Jacobinism or lessen nationalist sentiment. Is there any reason not to pass a reform as soon as it can get through the legislature (except for ones that will cost me money to perform) or am I better served to wait until over 50% of my pop wants it?

Have you checked their Casus Belli for declaring war? Vicky 2 is pretty good about showing and limiting war goals (at least until a war is underway, then countries can become douchebags). What are they demanding each war? Generally if you hold cores of some country they will go full douche until you get too powerful or you give them back. My guess is they want you to release Belgium.

Frionnel
May 7, 2010

Friends are what make testing worth it.
So i have been doing a hands off game of Steppe Wolf Phoenix, behold the world, 2200 AD:



In North America the US and Canada were not prepared for the wave of rebellions in the early 21st century. The castillian population of Nevada chose to join Mexico, while the english people of Washington and Oregon joined Canada. Quebec voted for Haiti and Michigan was welcomed in the Kingdom of Bahamas;

Meanwhile in South America, Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina fight for pieces of the late Paraguayan Empire, which lasted most of the 22nd century;

Europe saw the rise of a brief French empire that occupied much of Spain, Belgium and the Netherlands. It soon collapsed allowing Germany and Switzerland to expand. Austria seems to be rebuilding their empire in the east, while Belarus preys on the remnants of Ukraine;

Asia saw many changes in the balance after Iran was toppled. Syria is the biggest winner here, having pacified much of Iraq and destroyed Israel. Kurdistan is free at last. The old Saud Monarchy was conquered by the ever growing Kuwait, but was incapable of taking Medina from Mexico. South Korea was successful in uniting the peninsula, and used it's momentum to conquer Manchuria as it seceded from Socialist China;

Nobody can explain what the gently caress is happening in Africa.

As for those two new countries in Siberia, well... have a look:



Now i just want to see which country will take over the world and i'm getting tired of patriot rebels, so i'm just going set the AI rebel risk to -100 or something and let this end.

Frionnel fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Feb 10, 2013

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
This is a slightly off-topic question, but what succession law does the UK currently use? Can it be described/captured by the terms used in CK?

BigRoman posted:

Viki 2 AHD question:
If your relations are higher than 100, a nation cannot "manufacture" a casus belli against your country, which means they cannot declare war. Gameplay nuance in this case stems from having to juggle which nations you'll try to maintain good relations with, as you will not have enough diplomatic points to be buddy-buddy with everyone.

However, in your case, it might not matter. You may have conquered Belgium, but Belgium's cores still exist. If Belgium still exists as a separate nation, they might be declaring war on you and dragging the UK and France into it, and they don't need to low relations nor to manufacture a CB because you holding their cored land is a natural CB.

If you completely conquered Belgium, UK and France might be declaring war anyway to make you release them, or because you've gone over the infamy limit of 25. You can also go to the Diplomacy screen, check the wars tab, and see what CB they're using against you.

As for militancy, different rebels want different things. Passing a reform will always reduce militancy by SOME amount, but how much reduction you get and how many rebels you appease depends on how many people support that particular reform. Jacobins want freer voting/election rights, so the closer you get to becoming a full Democracy, the happier they'll be. Later, you'll find Socialists will want social reforms, while Conservatives/Reactionaries want to roll them back. And so on for the various ideologies.

That said, reforms like health-care can be quite powerful, so some players (myself included) can do something like wait for militancy to reach such high levels that social reforms can pass, even if it's really just the Jacobins that are pissed, and then only make moves toward Jacobin-pleasing Democracy after your country's a socialist paradise. This might be considered a gamey tactic, though.

Nationalist rebels unfortunately cannot be appeased. Your only options are to either release these as vassals, or tough out the rebellions until you gain cores. Annexing whole countries is really quite difficult in Victoria until or unless you're a superpower that can fight off everyone else (and thus can ignore the infamy limit). Before you reach that point, most military adventures will either be to place whole countries into your Sphere of Interest directly, fighting over colonies since that land won't cause re-take-core CBs and won't generate nationalist rebels, or to use the Free People CB to balkanize a country (the newly created sub-country will be in your SOI, will be your vassal, and will not generate rebels against you, but you still removed a chunk of land from your enemy)

gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Feb 10, 2013

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Tomn posted:

I can't remember where I read it - it might have been a Rider Haggard book - but I seem to recall one bit of fiction where an old man explains that in their society, they have queens and pass on the crown matrilineally because that way, you can be damned sure the royal heir is of the royal blood.

Is that because the Queen directly gives birth with a dude you can never be too sure?

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Raenir Salazar posted:

Is that because the Queen directly gives birth with a dude you can never be too sure?

That was the argument, yes. I seem to recall the European character who heard out the explanation commenting that "He'd never quite considered things in that light before."

Jabarto
Apr 7, 2007

I could do with your...assistance.
I guess this hasn't been mentioned yet since it just came out yesterday -

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?666155-Septentrionalis-Universalis

It's an EU3 mod that crams 832 countries into a map of Scandinavia, Iceland, Greenland, the British Isles, and northeastern Canada.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Jabarto posted:

I guess this hasn't been mentioned yet since it just came out yesterday -

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?666155-Septentrionalis-Universalis

It's an EU3 mod that crams 832 countries into a map of Scandinavia, Iceland, Greenland, the British Isles, and northeastern Canada.

:stare:

How well does the game run at max speed, I wonder?

Defeatist Elitist
Jun 17, 2012

I've got a carbon fixation.

I have to hand it to Paradox, they've managed to cultivate a fan base that includes people with the most baffling dedication.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Farecoal posted:

I just wanted to make sure, Darkest Hour's latest patch is 1.03 RC2, and Kaisserreich's is compatible with said patch, correct?

Yeah, though you need a compatibility patch (the link to download it is right under the link to download the mod in its thread in the Pdox forums).

Shorter Than Some
May 6, 2009

gradenko_2000 posted:

This is a slightly off-topic question, but what succession law does the UK currently use? Can it be described/captured by the terms used in CK?

I think in CK terms in would be Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture, though there has been talk of it changing to Absolute Agantic.

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.
Smellrose

Shorter Than Some posted:

I think in CK terms in would be Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture, though there has been talk of it changing to Absolute Agantic.

No, there's been talk of changing it to full cognatic. Absolute Agnatic would mean women could never inherit.

LP97S
Apr 25, 2008

Friend Commuter posted:

No, there's been talk of changing it to full cognatic. Absolute Agnatic would mean women could never inherit.

I'm sure there's been some talk of that too by the crazier monarchists.

Shorter Than Some
May 6, 2009

Friend Commuter posted:

No, there's been talk of changing it to full cognatic. Absolute Agnatic would mean women could never inherit.

Sorry yeah I always get the two confused that's what I meant.

oxford_town
Aug 6, 2009
There's also the proviso that Catholics are specifically excluded from the line of succession. I thought they changed that a few years ago, but apparently not.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Crameltonian posted:


And Jewish Spain:


This is hilariously ironic :allears:

Clapham Omnibus
Nov 11, 2006

Pretty shortly it looks like it will be changed to allow elder daughters to inherit over sons, mainly because ~Wills and Kate~ are going to have a baby: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21119034. Still not allowing any dirty papists however.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Clapham Omnibus posted:

Pretty shortly it looks like it will be changed to allow elder daughters to inherit over sons, mainly because ~Wills and Kate~ are going to have a baby: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21119034. Still not allowing any dirty papists however.

They keep talking about "unintended consequences" of allowing eldest daughters to inherit. What exactly do you suppose they mean by that? Do they mean the crown passing out of the House of Windsor if the eldest daughter should marry and take her husband's name? Also, why would it even matter anymore whose family held the crown in a constitutional monarchy where Parliament decides things?

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

DrSunshine posted:

They keep talking about "unintended consequences" of allowing eldest daughters to inherit. What exactly do you suppose they mean by that? Do they mean the crown passing out of the House of Windsor if the eldest daughter should marry and take her husband's name? Also, why would it even matter anymore whose family held the crown in a constitutional monarchy where Parliament decides things?

That I can tell you in one word.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Clapham Omnibus posted:

Pretty shortly it looks like it will be changed to allow elder daughters to inherit over sons, mainly because ~Wills and Kate~ are going to have a baby: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21119034. Still not allowing any dirty papists however.

Isn't the monarch of England the head of the Anglican church? It would be mighty awkward if a Catholic rose to the throne.

A Tartan Tory
Mar 26, 2010

You call that a shotgun?!

YF-23 posted:

Isn't the monarch of England the head of the Anglican church? It would be mighty awkward if a Catholic rose to the throne.

Also, can you imagine 'fun' effects that would have in Northern Ireland and parts of Scotland?

cadmaniak
Nov 21, 2006

Le God

DrSunshine posted:

They keep talking about "unintended consequences" of allowing eldest daughters to inherit. What exactly do you suppose they mean by that? Do they mean the crown passing out of the House of Windsor if the eldest daughter should marry and take her husband's name? Also, why would it even matter anymore whose family held the crown in a constitutional monarchy where Parliament decides things?

I doubt it would be any different to the Queens marriage (matrilineal to Prince Philip).

StrifeHira
Nov 7, 2012

I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.
So recently decided to try my hand at an Ikko-Ikki -> Republic of Japan game (first time I've ever dealt with a Shogunate game in EU3+). I've been managing it well, saved Korea from the Manchus and put up a puppet state there, started up a few colonies, and then I check to see Europe...



...I really hope Italy can keep Espanha occupied, because... Christ, that's a lot of colonies. :psyduck:

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.
Smellrose

StrifeHira posted:

So recently decided to try my hand at an Ikko-Ikki -> Republic of Japan game (first time I've ever dealt with a Shogunate game in EU3+). I've been managing it well, saved Korea from the Manchus and put up a puppet state there, started up a few colonies, and then I check to see Europe...



...I really hope Italy can keep Espanha occupied, because... Christ, that's a lot of colonies. :psyduck:

Iberians colonise South America, film at 11. Come on, that's not even them in India.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Is that Ethiopia riding all the way to Zanzibar?

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Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet

StrifeHira posted:

So recently decided to try my hand at an Ikko-Ikki -> Republic of Japan game (first time I've ever dealt with a Shogunate game in EU3+). I've been managing it well, saved Korea from the Manchus and put up a puppet state there, started up a few colonies, and then I check to see Europe...



...I really hope Italy can keep Espanha occupied, because... Christ, that's a lot of colonies. :psyduck:

That's the first time I've seen AI Portugal do so well. And yet Galicia still revolted/was released by them. Galicia and Cornwall, man, there's something about those guys.

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