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veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

TWBalls posted:

Oh, okay. I was a bit worried it was something reliability wise that might have been a problem. I'm inclined to agree about the interior. I sprung for the premium package so that I could get the Fender Audio system and while it sounds nice, it does cause the door panels to vibrate at higher volumes. I'm hoping some Dynamat will help fix that.

I've noticed a few of you talking about MT TDI's. I had a hell of a time finding a dealership that had any in stock and when they did, unfortunately, none were offered with any premium features. I was looking forward to having a manual again after my last car, but the DSG sure seems a lot nicer than the AT that was in my older 3.2TL Type-S. Since I'm currently commuting about 123Mi a day, I really wanted a descent Stereo and at least some luxuries.

That's because the DSG is a manual transmission. It is just a dual clutch manual that shifts for you, no torque converter like a traditional auto. Finding a stick is getting harder and harder these days, I lucked out on mine. I went to 2 dealers and the 2nd one just happened to have a TDI with stick and sunroof that was ordered for someone else that backed out. I got the car for invoice and raked the dealership over the coals by making them take the custom stereo out of my trade and put it in the new car :) Cost them 1800 in labor and parts.

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NinjaTech
Sep 30, 2003

do you have any PANTIES
Well I heard back from the PO. He said the injectors are Titan 502's and it got tuned at InMotion Tuning in Portland. Also according to their site, I should be making about 140hp and 240ft/lbs with their tune and nozzles.

Opensourcepirate
Aug 1, 2004

Except Wednesdays

Shifty Pony posted:

Mechanic question: as long as a mechanic has VW experience they should be all good to work with the TDI correct? There are a number of dedicated diesel techs around but I think that they primarily work with truck engines a I don't know if they would be used to VWs um, unique, way of cramming poo poo in awful locations.

The safest bet is try to find a mechanic that's recommended by people on tdiclub.com. VW dealerships have actually been kind of notoriously bad for having techs that suck at working on Diesels, but maybe that's getting better as it seems like TDI's are becoming more popular.

milquetoast child
Jun 27, 2003

literally
I just got a 2011 335d and I've never driven diesels before. Are they not supposed to really accelerate down hill? It seems pretty weird, maybe I'm doing it wrong. I have the flappy paddles. I was getting a lot of engine noise and not much acceleration down hill at all.

milquetoast child fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Feb 18, 2013

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
How do you like it so far? They are finally getting under 30k.

milquetoast child
Jun 27, 2003

literally
I love it, but mine was not under 30k, it's in alpine white w/blk interior and aluminum trim with the m-sport package, premium, convenience AND cold weather packages 25k miles. So basically, somebody decided to lease a $56,000 MSRP bmw 3 series 2 years ago and turned it in. In the ~2 hours it took to do paperwork the sales guy got about 10 calls for it. It wasn't listed on their site until the morning, I only knew about it because I went in to look at a gray 2010 that was for sale and he told me about a white one that would be ready today. While I was wandering around the lot waiting on the paperwork, several people came to the other 335d and were asking where the white one was, it was pretty crazy. But that's silicon valley for you.

Only drove it the ~10 miles home so far, but it's pretty amazing. Got passed by a Honda Odyssey going up hill.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


What do you mean by not accelerating downhill? Diesels have more engine braking, is that what you mean?

Otherwise, if you're not getting any acceleration from it, it's either broken or you haven't found the accelerator yet. It's a 3-liter twin turbo diesel. It's got some grunt and a whole lot more top-end than single turbo diesels, give it some revs.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



KozmoNaut posted:

What do you mean by not accelerating downhill? Diesels have more engine braking, is that what you mean?

Otherwise, if you're not getting any acceleration from it, it's either broken or you haven't found the accelerator yet. It's a 3-liter twin turbo diesel. It's got some grunt and a whole lot more top-end than single turbo diesels, give it some revs.

Yes, this. The 335d pulls like a freight train once you get it moving.

I really want one. :(

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Bovril Delight posted:


I really want one. :(

If the prices on them had been lower I would have seriously considered one when I was looking. Was the only car with an auto I even considered.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

JosephStalinVEVO posted:

Only drove it the ~10 miles home so far, but it's pretty amazing. Got passed by a Honda Odyssey going up hill.

User more pedal.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



fknlo posted:

If the prices on them had been lower I would have seriously considered one when I was looking. Was the only car with an auto I even considered.

Same here. Clean low mileage ones with the sport or msport packages are still 30k. The diesel in the new 3 series is probably going to be pretty expensive too I'd wager.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

veedubfreak posted:

That sounds about right. I did 2000 miles round trip over the week of new years by myself from Denver to Huntsville, TX and got about that kind of mileage, but I was averaging 80mph the whole way. I don't get the best mileage in mine though because I have 19" wheels instead of the stock 17s.

I think we averaged about 77mph for the whole trip. I wonder how bad the mpg would have been if the rack attachment hadn't flown off? We got like 27mpg on the first tank with it up there for most of that tank. Winds were never really favorable either way either.

primitive
Mar 14, 2001


I AM A CHEAPSKATE WHO HAS HAD THE STUPID NEWBIE BABY AVATAR FOR 12 YEARS.

TWBalls posted:

I've noticed a few of you talking about MT TDI's. I had a hell of a time finding a dealership that had any in stock and when they did, unfortunately, none were offered with any premium features. I was looking forward to having a manual again after my last car, but the DSG sure seems a lot nicer than the AT that was in my older 3.2TL Type-S. Since I'm currently commuting about 123Mi a day, I really wanted a descent Stereo and at least some luxuries.

The reason is because on the A4 body style the AT is practically a wear item.

Now on the newer body styles the "AT" is the DSG gearbox, and as other people have said it's robust and fun. Especially with flappy paddles. The only drawback I can think of is the $300 fluid replacement every 40k miles, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think it's a bad deal.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


primitive posted:

The reason is because on the A4 body style the AT is practically a wear item.

Now on the newer body styles the "AT" is the DSG gearbox, and as other people have said it's robust and fun. Especially with flappy paddles. The only drawback I can think of is the $300 fluid replacement every 40k miles, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think it's a bad deal.

Service costs and the fact that it can take an extra second or so to shift if you shift in a manner it isn't expecting. Those really are the only complaints I've read about it, short of cases of catastrophic failure. When I test drove one you had to kinda work at it to get the shift delay to happen (slowly accelerating in 3rd so the trans is expecting the 3rd->4th shift, then downshifting to 2nd instead) and I imagine you would get used to how to let it know what gear you want next very quickly. I went with the MT because I missed driving one and all the DSG models in the area were loaded with the pricey navigation system, but the DSG was worlds better than the mushy thing which was in the Civic I was upgrading from and I think that I would have been perfectly happy with it.


fknlo posted:

I think we averaged about 77mph for the whole trip. I wonder how bad the mpg would have been if the rack attachment hadn't flown off? We got like 27mpg on the first tank with it up there for most of that tank. Winds were never really favorable either way either.

Putting on my roof rack with a bike on it will drop me from 45-50mpg to 35-40 or less, but I'm generally not a fast driver. I imagine the effect gets greater with more stuff and as you speed up.

milquetoast child
Jun 27, 2003

literally
I did a ride from ikea to my house yesterday with no traffic and about 95% highway. My trip odometer gave me a reading of 38.9 mpg for the 34 miles.

That's amazing.

TWBalls
Apr 16, 2003
My medication never lies

primitive posted:

The reason is because on the A4 body style the AT is practically a wear item.

Now on the newer body styles the "AT" is the DSG gearbox, and as other people have said it's robust and fun. Especially with flappy paddles. The only drawback I can think of is the $300 fluid replacement every 40k miles, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think it's a bad deal.

I'm not really much of a car guy, so I didn't really know much about DSG when I went in to look at the TDI's (I originally went in to look at a MT version, but went with my current car for the upgraded Stereo). I just figured they only put DSG in the sports type of cars (Like a GTI or something) and only knew about the 'flappy paddle' type. When the salesman suggested the DSG/Tiptronic option, I was a bit hesitant since the car I was trading in was an Auto w/ Tiptronic and that thing had quite a delay when shifting ('03 Acura 3.2TL Type-S). After driving though, I was quite impressed.

I'll take having to shell out $300. every 40k miles over having to have my Transmission rebuilt every ~30k-ish miles like on the Acura*.



*Long story short: Made it to 100k miles before the transmission poo poo the bed. Took it into a transmission specialist, had them rebuild it. About 30k miles later, it goes out again. They rebuilt it again, this time under warranty, but was still out money for the rental car while it was being worked on. It was coming up to 160k miles when I traded it in and it was already beginning to exhibit behavior of a bad gear or two.


^^^
It was nice & warm last week. I've been getting the best mileage I've ever gotten. Most of Winter, I've averaged about 48MPG (not bad for a car rated for 42MPG) but yesterday I was set to average 53MPG. Unfortunately, due to some construction there was traffic, so I ended up with 52.4MPG. So much better than the 30MPG I could average under the best of conditions in my previous car.

TWBalls fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Feb 20, 2013

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
That's because the DSG is an automated manual with two clutches.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

TWBalls posted:

I'm not really much of a car guy, so I didn't really know much about DSG when I went in to look at the TDI's (I originally went in to look at a MT version, but went with my current car for the upgraded Stereo). I just figured they only put DSG in the sports type of cars (Like a GTI or something) and only knew about the 'flappy paddle' type. When the salesman suggested the DSG/Tiptronic option, I was a bit hesitant since the car I was trading in was an Auto w/ Tiptronic and that thing had quite a delay when shifting ('03 Acura 3.2TL Type-S). After driving though, I was quite impressed.

I'll take having to shell out $300. every 40k miles over having to have my Transmission rebuilt every ~30k-ish miles like on the Acura*.



*Long story short: Made it to 100k miles before the transmission poo poo the bed. Took it into a transmission specialist, had them rebuild it. About 30k miles later, it goes out again. They rebuilt it again, this time under warranty, but was still out money for the rental car while it was being worked on. It was coming up to 160k miles when I traded it in and it was already beginning to exhibit behavior of a bad gear or two.


^^^
It was nice & warm last week. I've been getting the best mileage I've ever gotten. Most of Winter, I've averaged about 48MPG (not bad for a car rated for 42MPG) but yesterday I was set to average 53MPG. Unfortunately, due to some construction there was traffic, so I ended up with 52.4MPG. So much better than the 30MPG I could average under the best of conditions in my previous car.

My last 4 vw's have been manual and I've never had to rebuild any of them. Sounds like you just got a bad mechanic.

Dirk Funk
Mar 17, 2009
So, the transmission on my car needs to be rebuilt and I'm thinking about just getting a new car rather than paying the $3K or so to fix it. I'm still driving the car now but don't know how long I can keep it up for. Right now, as long as I don't go up any steep hills are start from a stop on one I'm okay.

I've been looking into picking up a TDI VW like a Jetta or something for the gas mileage (current car is a 2003 Civic Hybrid) but I keep reason various things stating the VWs have some reliability issues and often need expensive repairs which is a concern. Is there any merit to this? Are there any particular years or models I should avoid?

I would be looking at automatics if that matters.

primitive
Mar 14, 2001


I AM A CHEAPSKATE WHO HAS HAD THE STUPID NEWBIE BABY AVATAR FOR 12 YEARS.

Dirk Funk posted:

So, the transmission on my car needs to be rebuilt and I'm thinking about just getting a new car rather than paying the $3K or so to fix it. I'm still driving the car now but don't know how long I can keep it up for. Right now, as long as I don't go up any steep hills are start from a stop on one I'm okay.

I've been looking into picking up a TDI VW like a Jetta or something for the gas mileage (current car is a 2003 Civic Hybrid) but I keep reason various things stating the VWs have some reliability issues and often need expensive repairs which is a concern. Is there any merit to this? Are there any particular years or models I should avoid?

I would be looking at automatics if that matters.

Avoid the A4 body styles. That's pretty much the low point. You'll want to look at the A5 or A6 body style, which is 2006 and newer. Golfs or Jettas should all be fine from this date onward.

The real problem you're going to have is finding someone who's willing to sell.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

primitive posted:


The real problem you're going to have is finding someone who's willing to sell.

This is the real problem, so few people let go of their TDI. They hold their resale value fairly well.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
Which is why the TDI is one of the few cars that makes sense to buy new :)

Dirk Funk
Mar 17, 2009
There are a few dealers around here selling used TDIs with low miles that are a bit cheaper that I've been looking at.

Apparently, the company my credit union does extended warranties through thinks 2011 TDI Jetta with 18,000 miles on it has a higher risk of needing repairs as the warranty for a Honda Civic of the same year and mileage is over 4 times less in cost.

Wouldn't really want to pay that but would like to have at least some coverage just in case.

Dirk Funk fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Feb 20, 2013

TWBalls
Apr 16, 2003
My medication never lies

veedubfreak posted:

My last 4 vw's have been manual and I've never had to rebuild any of them. Sounds like you just got a bad mechanic.

I think maybe I mis-stated something. The car that was having transmission issues was my Acura and it was an Automatic. My VW has been running like a champ (As it should be since it's brand new).


I seem to be having bad luck these last 2 weeks. First I have a rock hit my car that both scratched the paint on the hood and cracked my Windshield. Now, the wind blew a tumbleweed in front of my car which scratched up the front end. gently caress!

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
3m Clear Bra man, 3m clear bra.

I have close to 20k on my Golf and not a single mark on the front of the car. My windshield is already glittery as gently caress at night though. So many rear end in a top hat rock haulers out here in CO that throw poo poo on the road constantly.

qutius
Apr 2, 2003
NO PARTIES

veedubfreak posted:

3m Clear Bra man, 3m clear bra.

I have close to 20k on my Golf and not a single mark on the front of the car. My windshield is already glittery as gently caress at night though. So many rear end in a top hat rock haulers out here in CO that throw poo poo on the road constantly.

This is the one thing I wish my Golf had. So many rockchips, especially after a huge 8000 mile road trip :(

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Might be picking up a 2001 ALH TDI engine next week to swap into my 98 TDI

TWBalls
Apr 16, 2003
My medication never lies

veedubfreak posted:

3m Clear Bra man, 3m clear bra.

I have close to 20k on my Golf and not a single mark on the front of the car. My windshield is already glittery as gently caress at night though. So many rear end in a top hat rock haulers out here in CO that throw poo poo on the road constantly.

:aaa: How have I never heard of this? This sounds perfect. Thank You!

***edit***
Crap, it's a bit pricey and they said it'll take 2 days to install. I think I'm gonna go ahead and do it, but I'll need to save up a bit (and have the existing damage fixed)first.

TWBalls fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Feb 22, 2013

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

TWBalls posted:

:aaa: How have I never heard of this? This sounds perfect. Thank You!

***edit***
Crap, it's a bit pricey and they said it'll take 2 days to install. I think I'm gonna go ahead and do it, but I'll need to save up a bit (and have the existing damage fixed)first.

2 days? I had an 18" hood bra and full bumper coverage + headlights and all windows tinted in around 4 hours. It cost 900 for everything when I did mine, but was well worth it.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug
Yeah, it took under 2 hours to do clear bra + mirrors + hoodscoop on my WRX. Maybe shop around a bit, apparently different shops have different levels of experience with the 3M stuff which pays off if you have a brightly coloured car.

I got lucky and accidentally took mine to the best shop in town.

primitive
Mar 14, 2001


I AM A CHEAPSKATE WHO HAS HAD THE STUPID NEWBIE BABY AVATAR FOR 12 YEARS.

Dirk Funk posted:

Wouldn't really want to pay that but would like to have at least some coverage just in case.

A4 VWs were a really bad underwriting risk, and the 2011 probably doesn't have enough loss history for them to be able to tell that it's not crap.

solarNativity
Nov 11, 2012

Are there any particularly common issues with the Duramax LBZ engine? I may soon be acquiring a truck with that power-plant and about 50,000 miles on it. It's been well taken care of and from what I can see, in great condition.

solarNativity fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Feb 23, 2013

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

N is for Nipples posted:

Are there any particularly common issues with the Duramax LBZ engine? I may soon be acquiring a truck with that power-plant and about 50,000 miles on it. It's been well taken care of and from what I can see, in great condition.

50k on one of those is barely even broken in.

They have had a glowplug circuit issue that I believe was resolved with a reflash. The EGR likes to get shitted up, but most people end up blocking it off anyway. The trans cooler lines are known to be a weak link, and the water pumps seem to poo poo themselves in 100k miles (easy job). Depending on what you're doing you'll probably need front hubs around that time too.

All in all, it's a pretty solid power plant with some relatively minor issues on the associated platforms you'll typically find it in.

You can also juice pretty close to 450 HP/750 ft lbs out of it with little more than the right turbo and exhaust (and reflash, obviously). At that power level you'll have to try very hard to limp the trans or otherwise get anywhere close to damaging things. If you want to go further than that it gets a bit messy, as you're into injectors, lift pumps, intake changes, bigger intercooler, etc.....and you're putting down enough power that you'll start breaking driveline components without other upgrades.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Motronic posted:

50k on one of those is barely even broken in.

They have had a glowplug circuit issue that I believe was resolved with a reflash. The EGR likes to get shitted up, but most people end up blocking it off anyway. The trans cooler lines are known to be a weak link, and the water pumps seem to poo poo themselves in 100k miles (easy job). Depending on what you're doing you'll probably need front hubs around that time too.

All in all, it's a pretty solid power plant with some relatively minor issues on the associated platforms you'll typically find it in.

You can also juice pretty close to 450 HP/750 ft lbs out of it with little more than the right turbo and exhaust (and reflash, obviously). At that power level you'll have to try very hard to limp the trans or otherwise get anywhere close to damaging things. If you want to go further than that it gets a bit messy, as you're into injectors, lift pumps, intake changes, bigger intercooler, etc.....and you're putting down enough power that you'll start breaking driveline components without other upgrades.

I thought they came paired with an Allison transmission? Those things are supposed to be bulletproof.

solarNativity
Nov 11, 2012

CommieGIR posted:

I thought they came paired with an Allison transmission? Those things are supposed to be bulletproof.

They do. Allison 1000, if I'm not mistaken. The vehicle in question appears to have the six-speed.

solarNativity fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Feb 24, 2013

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

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Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib

CommieGIR posted:

I thought they came paired with an Allison transmission? Those things are supposed to be bulletproof.

Bulletproof, yes. Invincible, nope. You put 1500 ft-lbs through one without proper cooling or torque converter, and they'll break things. Plus the axles and whatnot break before then.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

sharkytm posted:

Bulletproof, yes. Invincible, nope. You put 1500 ft-lbs through one without proper cooling or torque converter, and they'll break things. Plus the axles and whatnot break before then.

1000 ft/lbs is plenty to kill one when driven with a heavy foot consistently.

And just because you "limped it" doesn't mean you hurt it. In fact it's usually quite the opposite. It's a great trans that does a pretty good job of protecting itself but yes....not invincible. There are known weak points (internal) when you start running more power through it than stock and there are several rebuilders that can go a great job of addressing those. Add the right TC and cooling and you're golden to....well, I don't know.....just over 1000 ft/lbs is the highest I've gone on anything that's been driven regularly for more than 6 months at this point.

solarNativity
Nov 11, 2012

sharkytm posted:

Bulletproof, yes. Invincible, nope. You put 1500 ft-lbs through one without proper cooling or torque converter, and they'll break things. Plus the axles and whatnot break before then.

It's always a mixture of funny and scary to see both front wheels toe-in sharply when you're watching Work Stock pulls. Definitely not what I plan to do with the truck, but it happens.

TopherCStone
Feb 27, 2013

I am very important and deserve your attention
I think this spring/summer I'm going to replace my current car with a diesel. I want something with decent mpg, but also comfortable and presentable (not to mention cheap!). So far I've been drawn to the Mercedes 190D. How do I know if I've found a good one? Are there any comparable cars I should check out?

I will likely get a manual. I learned to drive manual one weekend from my uncle, but I was pretty bad at it so I guess I'll have to take some time to practice before using a manual car daily

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veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
Does mercedes even make manuals?

Did you just say cheap and Merc in the same sentence?

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