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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

KozmoNaut posted:

Wasn't that just overhead cams, like Lamborghini originally wanted to add, but were told it was too expensive?

I was under the impression that they could still add multiair, even with the in-block cam.

Deedle posted:

MultiAir is basically VVT + VVL for the intake side. While it could be combined with an in-block cam for the exhaust that wouldn't make much sense, MultiAir heads are about as large as a normal DOHC head, if they went with an in-block cam because there isn't enough space for DOHC there wouldn't be enough space for the MultiAir head either.
And the lack of space sounds like the only reason to go with an in-block cam these days. Why bother with a relatively heavy and high-friction system like pushrods, if there is the possibility of using OHC?

I don't think size was really an issue. Here's some close up cutaways of the Multiair system.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/14.html


Here's the actual head itself posted by the Op of the FIAT 500 thread. It's not very big or tall at all, if anything it's just rather wide, which is an issue on a 1.4l engine but probably less so on an 8.4l one.



You have to spread your imagination a bit but the Multiair valves are already actuated by basically rockers from the exhaust side cam, now imagine that cam moved further away with pushrods connected to the rockers. I think it should be do-able.

Anyway, the Viper is a really low slung car, so even if it was too tall for the Viper there's no reason why you can't fit 2 of them on either side of a V8 or V6 in a truck or regular car.

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KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Shoveling snow? Bah, that's hard work. Bring out the pulse jet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpbKGvjqsxM

:black101:

Deedle
Oct 17, 2011
before you ask, yes I did inform the DMV of my condition and medication, and I passed the medical and psychological evaluation when I got my license. I've passed them every time I have gone to renew my license.

Throatwarbler posted:

I don't think size was really an issue. Here's some close up cutaways of the Multiair system.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/14.html


Here's the actual head itself posted by the Op of the FIAT 500 thread. It's not very big or tall at all, if anything it's just rather wide, which is an issue on a 1.4l engine but probably less so on an 8.4l one.



You have to spread your imagination a bit but the Multiair valves are already actuated by basically rockers from the exhaust side cam, now imagine that cam moved further away with pushrods connected to the rockers. I think it should be do-able.

Anyway, the Viper is a really low slung car, so even if it was too tall for the Viper there's no reason why you can't fit 2 of them on either side of a V8 or V6 in a truck or regular car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y-SVMgB6AQ

I am not ICE expert by any stretch of imagination, but what I gather from that video is that while there is a connection between the exhaust cam and the MultiAir unit, the hydraulic system can bypass the cam entirely.
The man explicitly states that the system could leave the intake valve closed for the entire intake stroke, and from what I've read on AMT.nl it can also open the intake valve during the exhaust stroke as a sort of EGR solution. It seems to me that the connection between the cam and the intake valves is more a back-up for when the hydraulic side of things fails.
But then I am probably completely wrong.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
The valves are still actuated by the cam, it's just that their action can be moderated by the amount of hydraulic fluid between the valves and the cam lobes. The Multiair head is basically just a set of metal chambers that hold the hydraulic fluid, like a hydraulic valve lifter that can be controlled on the fly.

Disgruntled Bovine
Jul 5, 2010

KozmoNaut posted:

Shoveling snow? Bah, that's hard work. Bring out the pulse jet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpbKGvjqsxM

:black101:

This is how railroads de-ice switches in the winter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr3CgFPYnv0

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Jalopnik has a nice selection of classic Russia vids today.

COWS OUT OF NOWHERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql7DvbZzq_E

SU-24 OUT OF NOWHERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Q7j5JGp5Q

BOAT OUT OF NOWHERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGaet9LSD-0

SHOOTER OUT OF NOWHERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1UQwtNCMFU

MI-8 OUT OF NOWHERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgBQlbiSoiM

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe
I wish I lived 1000 years from now and I could take a college class about russian 21st century history and just watch olde time dash cams mounted to silly little internal combustion fossil fuled vehicles.

7of7
Jul 1, 2008

I can't afford a $50k car but after watching this whole thing I really want to live in a world where their "stage 3" cheap electric car exists alongside plenty of charging spots for us plebs who live in apartments and don't have the ability to hook up a charger in our garages.

Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy
Megafactories: Gumpert Apollo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rH4GqrDjcA

Edit: found the same thing in HD.

Anarchist Mae fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Feb 16, 2013

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Some hellaflush rear end in a top hat trying to navigate speedbumps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjgIqxQ63Bw

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Throatwarbler posted:

Some hellaflush rear end in a top hat trying to navigate speedbumps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjgIqxQ63Bw

What a vagina. Here is a lambo owner navigating a similar speedbump(at the end)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg79_mM2CNY

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

This is insane and they're lucky they didn't die in that heap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpRhkT5bVp0

Sadi
Jan 18, 2005
SC - Where there are more rednecks than people

Powershift posted:

What a vagina. Here is a lambo owner navigating a similar speedbump(at the end)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg79_mM2CNY

I love how you can hear after he lands he just says gently caress it and powers off.

Vitamins
May 1, 2012


RX-7 vs GT-R vs Camaro

The exhaust note on that RX-7 is just savage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOw_3wUmljg

Tekne
Feb 15, 2012

It's-a me, motherfucker

Watch a Top Fuel dragster in super slow motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VObE2lcfipk

mykel
Aug 27, 2006

Let it bleep.

Powershift posted:

What a vagina. Here is a lambo owner navigating a similar speedbump(at the end)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg79_mM2CNY

So what's the alternative? Say "I'm not a pussy" and pay for a new front bumper every time you go over a speed bump?

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

mykel posted:

So what's the alternative? Say "I'm not a pussy" and pay for a new front bumper every time you go over a speed bump?

The alternative is not to modify your car to the point where it's undrivable on the street.

To be fair, it's more understandable than the people who do the same thing (though slightly faster) in their SUVs on a street near my house. I take my car over the "speed humps" at 30 mph (the speed limit) while they will take one wheel at a time at 15 mph.

Uthor fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 17, 2013

mutt2jeff
Oct 2, 2004
The one, the only....

Tekne posted:

Watch a Top Fuel dragster in super slow motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VObE2lcfipk

There are lots of videos of dragsters taking off in slow motion, but this is the first I have seen of them at the end of the run, the amount of tire deformation at speed is amazing. The water vapor coming of the wing is cool too.

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe

Uthor posted:

The alternative is not to modify your car to the point where it's undrivable on the street.

To be fair, it's more understandable than the people who do the same thing (though slightly faster) in their SUVs on a street near my house. I take my car over the "speed humps" at 30 mph (the speed limit) while they will take one wheel at a time at 15 mph.

Thats a stock Veyron so your post has me really confused.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Chinatown posted:

Thats a stock Veyron so your post has me really confused.

Is it? The OP said it's "hellaflush", so I assumed it was slammed. My bad.

sixide
Oct 25, 2004
Youtube comments say he failed to figure out how to adjust the ride height? Apparently it's pretty trivial on a Bugatti, but this guy couldn't manage to figure it out.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
That guy with the immaculate custom garage expounds on the purpose of his custom 911 RSR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC5-MoDUuRg

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

kimbo305 posted:

That guy with the immaculate custom garage expounds on the purpose of his custom 911 RSR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC5-MoDUuRg

The part I love most about that Porsche is how many times it's been crashed and come back from the dead.

The Napa Valley Roadsters one from there is good too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5hBKDNvRqw

Puddin
Apr 9, 2004
Leave it to Brak
You backflipped a what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry-ofJHatGs

Savington
Apr 9, 2007
I'm not Stinkmeister, this title is here so waar can tell the difference between Stinkmeister and myself in mafia games.

kimbo305 posted:

That guy with the immaculate custom garage expounds on the purpose of his custom 911 RSR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC5-MoDUuRg

I want to tape his goddamn hands to the steering wheel. No wonder he's crashed it twice.

Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy

Seat Safety Switch posted:

The part I love most about that Porsche is how many times it's been crashed and come back from the dead.

The Napa Valley Roadsters one from there is good too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5hBKDNvRqw

It's a fantastic Datsun! Or, Dahtsun because he cannot pronounce 'a' correctly.

Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvH1fhihOlk

I like this man. Smell fumes (and it's not moonshine)?

Synonamess Botch
Jun 5, 2006

dicks are for my cat

Measly Twerp posted:

It's a fantastic Datsun! Or, Dahtsun because he cannot pronounce 'a' correctly.

He's pronouncing Datsun correctly, or near enough as counts. Are you British or Australian? Those guys can't pronounce anything Japanese worth a drat.

Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy

Synonamess Botch posted:

He's pronouncing Datsun correctly, or near enough as counts. Are you British or Australian? Those guys can't pronounce anything Japanese worth a drat.

Australian, and you shouldn't try to pronounce things the Japanese way because it makes you sound like an idiot, or racist. The Dahtsun guy sounds like an idiot.

Synonamess Botch
Jun 5, 2006

dicks are for my cat

Measly Twerp posted:

Australian, and you shouldn't try to pronounce things the Japanese way because it makes you sound like an idiot, or racist. The Dahtsun guy sounds like an idiot.

It's also the American way to pronounce it, although I suspect you know that and are just being an rear end in a top hat for the sake of it.

Viggen
Sep 10, 2010

by XyloJW

Measly Twerp posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvH1fhihOlk

I like this man. Smell fumes (and it's not moonshine)?

Scotty is an incredible douche. Check out his other vids. There's one where he scrapes off a gasket INTO the intake. He's also an opinionated rear end in a top hat who was 'given' a Ford. Hence, the new intro and dealer plates.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

West SAAB Story posted:

Scotty is an incredible douche. Check out his other vids. There's one where he scrapes off a gasket INTO the intake. He's also an opinionated rear end in a top hat who was 'given' a Ford. Hence, the new intro and dealer plates.
Try this gem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy7dC45eqNk&t=87s

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I like this latest Koenigsegg video from Drive. It's a great example of how Koenigsegg isn't just about flashy fast cars, they've got some serious engineering going on as well, and may actually be putting individually controlled pneumatic valve actuation in their next car. They have a Saab 9-5 running pneumatic valves as a prototype car, even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bch5B23_pu0

KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Feb 20, 2013

kylej
Jul 6, 2004

Grimey Drawer

KozmoNaut posted:

I like this latest Koenigsegg video from Drive. It's a great example of how Koenigsegg isn't just about flashy fast cars, they've got some serious engineering going on as well, and may actually be putting individually controlled pneumatic valve actuation in their next car. They have a Saab 9-5 running pneumatic valves as a prototype car, even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bch5B23_pu0

Wow.

Viggen
Sep 10, 2010

by XyloJW

KozmoNaut posted:

They have a Saab 9-5 running pneumatic valves as a prototype car, even.

What could have been. :sigh:

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Like how the guy just starts to laugh

angryhampster
Oct 21, 2005

KozmoNaut posted:

I like this latest Koenigsegg video from Drive. It's a great example of how Koenigsegg isn't just about flashy fast cars, they've got some serious engineering going on as well, and may actually be putting individually controlled pneumatic valve actuation in their next car. They have a Saab 9-5 running pneumatic valves as a prototype car, even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bch5B23_pu0

Holy cow this is a great looking video. Drive's production crews are getting better and better.

Ziploc
Sep 19, 2006
MX-5
Well, this is a thing.

http://vimeo.com/57941515

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


angryhampster posted:

Holy cow this is a great looking video. Drive's production crews are getting better and better.

They really are. They've taken a huge page from Top Gear's production crew, without overdoing it IMO.

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The King of Swag
Nov 10, 2005

To escape the closure,
is to become the God of Swag.
I'm impatient and tired of continually waiting for the next episode of Mighty Car Mods; does anyone have recommendations for other cool car modding shows?

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