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Anyone know if there are plans to release Eagles on mac? I thought Paradox was planning to release all their titles jointly from CK2 onwards but I must have hallucinated it.
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Zip posted:why? you think it's bad? Preorder it now you get 10 percent off and sengoku. There's just no real reason to preorder it. It's digital distribution, so supply isn't an issue obviously. But more importantly, I don't think there's any
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Feb 18, 2013 00:40
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Zip posted:why? you think it's bad? Preorder it now you get 10 percent off and sengoku. Because Sengoku is garbage and Paradox has a horrible track record with game releases? If $2 off is enough to sell you on a game you know nothing about be my guest. Please post your thoughts about it in the thread on release day so the rest of us can get some idea about how the game is.
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Feb 18, 2013 00:41
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Speaking of which, Paradox cancelled four games last year, promises no more “unplayable” releases Besides Magna Mundi, do we know which projects were canned?
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Feb 18, 2013 00:43
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I've preordered it to support paradox. You should too.
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Feb 18, 2013 00:44
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Baloogan posted:I've preordered it to support paradox. I'll support Paradox if they release a good game I want to play. I love wargames and I imagine I'll love MoE but no way am I giving them money for a game that's not out yet.
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Feb 18, 2013 00:46
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I didn't pre-order it because everything I've seen of it so far makes it look like Sengoku crossed with EU3 - and that includes their live streams of them playing it. Also because to punish you for doing so, they force you to forever have a Sengoku copy on your Steam account. I like Paradox games, and I generally like Paradox, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna hunt down a copy of Diplomacy or throw cash at Iron Cross just to "support them". When they make things that I think I'll like, I will buy them.
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Feb 18, 2013 00:49
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It's only £13, even if its crap as Baloogan said it's supporting the company.
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Feb 18, 2013 01:03
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I would get March of the Eagles but I really feel like it will be the Sengoku to what CK2 was for EU4. Just a test drive of new features that aren't fully implemented.
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Feb 18, 2013 01:07
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cadmaniak posted:It's only £13, even if its crap as Baloogan said it's supporting the company. Do you own Diplomacy, Iron Cross and HoI3?
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Feb 18, 2013 01:08
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What's the preferred mod for EU3? The game is starting to get stale between wars, and the Shogunate system is six different kinds of terrible. I've heard good things about MiscMods.
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Feb 18, 2013 01:39
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uPen posted:Do you own Diplomacy, Iron Cross and HoI3? Two out of three 
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Feb 18, 2013 01:41
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I hope March of the Eagles is a robust enough game where you can play to win the game and it doesn't become irrevocably broken because Paradox hasn't made a game that actually meets that criteria yet.
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Feb 18, 2013 01:44
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I've only preordered 4 Paradox games, those have been EU:R, HoI3, Victoria II, and March of the Eagles. 
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Feb 18, 2013 01:45
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I preordered March of the Eagles since I like Paradox games and the Napoleonic Era so I figure that I'll get my 18 € worth out of it even if it turns out to be completely horrid (which I doubt, it looks decent enough from the previews).
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Feb 18, 2013 01:46
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uPen posted:Because Sengoku is garbage
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Feb 18, 2013 01:49
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gradenko_2000 posted:Two out of three Same.
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Feb 18, 2013 01:51
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I wouldn't call Sengoku garbage, that's really excessive. It's certainly underwhelming, though. Also, don't pre-order games. The money you'll save by saving yourself from surprise bad games will outweigh the money you'd save from pre-order discounts. Also, pre-ordering is bad for the industry as it teaches companies bad habits, and promotes bad behavior with their press relations (embargoes, etc). Paradox is one of the good companies in this respect, but it's still a general thing I try to adhere to across the board. I make some really rare exceptions, but that's usually when I want to send a message when a company is taking a risk or doing something different (Dark Souls PC, for example).
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Feb 18, 2013 01:55
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I'd totally preorder MoE if I saw any signs that there was stuff to do other than fight neverending wars, but it just seems to be from the ground up, a game that is 100% about wars especially ones between Great Powers. I'm not saying that makes MoE a bad game, but I just can't get interested in it for the same reason I'm not interested in Total War games. I understand supporting Paradox but at the same time I'd rather support them by buying games they make that I like instead of buying their games even when the game in question isn't anything I'm interested in seeing made.
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Feb 18, 2013 02:00
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ulmont posted:Same. I own all of them.  So I've certainly learned my lesson about buying everything that has a Paradox logo on it to 'support' them.Paradox have made a number of excellent games but that doesn't mean they deserve our undying loyalty, because they've also been responsible for many games of... lesser quality. I'll buy March of the Eagles if it turns out to be a good game just as I'm sure many people here will but if we buy everything Paradox make regardless of quality it's not showing our support, it's showing that they can throw out any old crap and still make money off it. I'll definitely be getting EU4 because that genuinely looks like a drat good game but I'm a lot more sceptical about their other products these days.
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Feb 18, 2013 02:16
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Yeah don't just buy games to "support Paradox". Paradox is going well as it is, and blind loyalty is not a good thing; they should be rewarded by MotE if MotE turns out to be a good game, they shouldn't be receiving your money as if they need charity. And this is coming from someone who, for better or worse, chose to preorder MotE.
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Feb 18, 2013 02:17
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Kainser posted:I preordered March of the Eagles since I like Paradox games and the Napoleonic Era so I figure that I'll get my 18 € worth out of it even if it turns out to be completely horrid (which I doubt, it looks decent enough from the previews). This is pretty much my thoughts exactly. I just want to pretend to be Napoleon and march my armies all around Europe and as long as I can do that and the game isn't a horrendous unplayable mess, it'll be well worth the less than 20 bucks I spent on it. And I do think it will be really fun beyond that bare minimum. Really looking forward to playing it tomorrow.
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Feb 18, 2013 02:28
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Yeah I didn't pre-order MOTE just because I wanted to throw some money Paradox's way, I bought it because I play all Paradox games as Maximum Hitler anyway so a war-focused, Napoleonic version of Hearts of Iron appeals to me. Hell, instead of porting Sengoku over to CK2 I'd rather they port CK2's map over to Sengoku - the free CBs would certainly be nice.
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Feb 18, 2013 03:28
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fermun posted:I've only preordered 4 Paradox games, those have been EU:R, HoI3, Victoria II, and March of the Eagles. I'll probably czech out MotE at some point because there isn't a Paradox game I haven't played, but I'm not about to preorder it. I don't have nearly enough money to be that frivolous.
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Feb 18, 2013 03:30
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I wouldn't call Sengoku garbage, that's really excessive. It's certainly underwhelming, though. These are good points. Pre-ordering everything blindly because the company tosses you a five dollar discount isn't a good habit. But that's a derail there's probably already an argument about in some other thread somewhere. While I really regret buying Sengoku it certainly wasn't garbage, just a disappointment. I mean, the game still worked which is more than you can say about a lot of things out there. e: Mirdini I'm trying to think of a game I was more annoyed at myself for buying after the fact and I can't come up with one actually (don't buy Sengoku people) Mirdini fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Feb 18, 2013 |
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Feb 18, 2013 04:12
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I think Sengoku was garbage, and that it worked because there was so little in it in terms of gameplay and features that to not work would be impossible short of it crashing on load-up.
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Feb 18, 2013 04:23
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Gorgo Primus posted:I think Sengoku was garbage, and that it worked because there was so little in it in terms of gameplay and features that to not work would be impossible short of it crashing on load-up. I concede this point.
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Feb 18, 2013 04:25
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The best thing about Sengoku was that practically all of its data was in the demo, so Riso ported the whole thing to CK2. You'll never have to play Sengoku again.
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Feb 18, 2013 04:31
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Necroneocon posted:I would get March of the Eagles but I really feel like it will be the Sengoku to what CK2 was for EU4. Just a test drive of new features that aren't fully implemented. I am thinking about playing March of the Eagles, mainly because the time period is interesting and I tried to play Crown of Glory but I watched its tutorial videos and started to break out in hives. If this ends up midway in complexity between that and Napoleon: Total War, it might be worth it.
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Feb 18, 2013 04:43
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The best thing about the politics of the Byzantine empire is that, once in a while, so many people will kill each other off that your sister who matriarchal-ly married a prince who was seventh in line to the throne will suddenly be an Empress. Now there's only one assassination/bishop appointment between my King of Poland and a new Eastern Roman Empire.
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Feb 18, 2013 04:49
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I'm excited for when MotE's map gets ported to EU4, and the rest of the world gets an equivalent province density(excepting siberia and desolate areas etc.) My precious micro-management 
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Feb 18, 2013 04:49
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Looking at various MotE dev diaries and the manual, it seems like it will avoid a few of the pitfalls of Sengoku. It seems to have decent diplomacy with coalitions and satellite states. It also looks like it will avoid another problem Sengoku had by making the different powers unique with special troops and national ideas. I pre-ordered it and I can say the only thing that bothers me it that it might be somewhat limited in scope with its clear cut goals. Regardless, I am interested in that time period and I think I will get at least 17 dollars worth of entertainment.
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Feb 18, 2013 05:18
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As long as I can extend the end date and mod the game enough to cause ridiculous poo poo, I think I'll be pleased. I play Paradox games so that I can murder plausibility.
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Feb 18, 2013 06:52
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Pre-ordering is ridiculous when you can get a digital copy of a game at your liesure once it comes out. Also, you can generally see an unedited let's play on youtube within a day or so of release. That way you can avoid terrible game media reviews and decide whether to hold off until a Steam sale or not.
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Feb 18, 2013 08:36
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Paradox should add a EU4 preorder to steam, bonus for preordering is access to alpha/beta RIGHT NOW this very minute because I don't want to wait.
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Feb 18, 2013 11:41
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Free copy of Gettysburg Armored Warfare with every pre-order! 
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If you pre-ordered MotE on Gamersgate, there's now a beginner's guide available, in addition to the big honking manual. That guide is the most goddamn precious thing I have read in a long time. I mean, look at this:quote:1.3 WHY WILL I ENJOY PLAYING THIS GAME?  I DO like having fun.Anyway, it really looks like Paradox enjoyed the near-universal "holy poo poo this is really accessible for a Paradox game" reaction that CK2 got. I'm honestly getting pretty pumped about MotE. e: wow, there's another quickstart guide, which is even more condensed. It contains a "Walkthrough of Walking Through Mecklenburg", plus the sentence "Play with these buttons a little". Smirr fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Feb 18, 2013 |
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Beamed posted:This isn't true and you're the first one to take such a violent opinion of it. Christ, it's mediocre, sure, and a test run for CK2, but it's not a bad game either. It was certainly fun enough when first released. My opinion of course, but Sengoku was boring as hell on release and remains so to this day. I don't buy Paradox games to play them for a few hours and say "Welp, that was fun." I buy them because they're rich on content and have lasting appeal. I know I'll want to play them for hours on end. Sengoku had none of this, and my opinion won't change regardless of how much I like CK2 or how long I've been playing Paradox games. I'll buy MOE if I learn that it's genuinely worth playing. Then I'll buy it to support a company the continually produces good games, even at $20. Nobody should be supported for putting out schlock.
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Feb 18, 2013 16:12
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In EU3 do you get ducats from blockading another country's rebel-controlled province?
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Ray and Shirley posted:My opinion of course, but Sengoku was boring as hell on release and remains so to this day. I don't buy Paradox games to play them for a few hours and say "Welp, that was fun." I buy them because they're rich on content and have lasting appeal. I know I'll want to play them for hours on end. Sengoku had none of this, and my opinion won't change regardless of how much I like CK2 or how long I've been playing Paradox games. I'll buy MOE if I learn that it's genuinely worth playing. Then I'll buy it to support a company the continually produces good games, even at $20. Nobody should be supported for putting out schlock. I'm not defending Sengoku as the greatest game in the world, but it's barely less fun than Rome. I don't even play it or like it very much, but calling it garbage and schlock is just too extreme.  Sorry for the derail, since making a decision on purchasing March of the Eagles based on Sengoku would be dumb.In other news two more hours why Beamed fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Feb 18, 2013 |
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