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wukkar
Nov 27, 2009

From the dev diary. What is this?

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Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

wukkar posted:


From the dev diary. What is this?

Isn't that the same icon they use for colonization? Maybe it's some kind of measure of colonial power to tie into the new international crisis system or something, but if that were the case I don't know why it would be listed as a fraction.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
I'm so glad that there is DLC for V2. V2 is one of my favorite games of all time.

I like using it to talk about and think about politics. Not many games 'get' politics.

Myoclonic Jerk
Nov 10, 2008

Cool it a minute, babe, let me finish playing with my fake gun.
I'm enjoying March of the Eagles so far; it has a remarkably smooth interface for a Paradox title. Clearly Paradox has learned a lot over the last few years.

A quick noob question, though - how do I release countries? If I'm playing, say, Prussia, how do I release the Duchy of Warsaw? I know you can force other nations to liberate countries, but I can't find the button to liberate my own.

Thanks.

Chickpea Roar
Jan 11, 2006

Merdre!

Myoclonic Jerk posted:

A quick noob question, though - how do I release countries? If I'm playing, say, Prussia, how do I release the Duchy of Warsaw? I know you can force other nations to liberate countries, but I can't find the button to liberate my own.

Thanks.

You can't, unfortunately.

B B
Dec 1, 2005

This is what I want if I want to get into EU3, right? Any idea if this will validate on Steam? CK2 is my first Paradox game, and I've been playing the hell out of it for the past week. I really want to give EU3 a try.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade
If anyone wants to play CK2+ reign of princes multiplayer then join the ck2 channel on This mumble server before 10 gmt 5 est to join in.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

nutranurse posted:

Open question to anyone: would I be able to get these maps to play nicely with other mods, say... EU3+? Or is it just a vanilla thing?

Probably? You'd want some basic familiarity with Paradox modding. You might be able to swing it by carefully merging the two directories, overwriting (amongst other things_ directories like the mods \history and \map folder, but it might be kinda half-assed and have unintended bugs.

In one of the map generator folders there are two zip files 1399.zip and oldworld.zip. These are the root files that the generator uses to make the countries and events and such that go into the final mod. Ideally you would make one of these called EU3+ or MiscMods or whatever and build them based off what was in the 1399.zip. Then you could generate as many maps off that base as you wanted. But I suspect it would be a fair to moderate amount of work and would take some testing. Certain events (like colonial activity/revolers, national unifications) would have to be tweaked, etc.

It's sadly not just a quick fix. Most mods change too much. Some small event mods and such would probably work, and you could probably steal certain events/changes from something like EU3+ without too much trouble, but porting over the whole thing (and have it work well) would be a bit of a challenge and probably require some redesign/extensive tweaking.

B B posted:

This is what I want if I want to get into EU3, right? Any idea if this will validate on Steam? CK2 is my first Paradox game, and I've been playing the hell out of it for the past week. I really want to give EU3 a try.

Yep! You want chronicles. Don't know about Steam. \/\/\/\/


EDIT: Heh. 1 star review

Very boring game

A kid's review posted:

It looked like it is gunnar play like civlization 5 but it not. Very boring game and tutoral suxs. I am very confused about what to do. Also crash a lot on my computer which is a very good computer from 6 years ago. I am disapoint that I wasted fifteen dolars.

:saddowns:

Fintilgin fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 21, 2013

Chickpea Roar
Jan 11, 2006

Merdre!

B B posted:

This is what I want if I want to get into EU3, right? Any idea if this will validate on Steam? CK2 is my first Paradox game, and I've been playing the hell out of it for the past week. I really want to give EU3 a try.

Yep, that's the one. Doesn't look like it validates on Steam, though: http://www.amazon.com/Game-code-work-on-Steam/forum/FxP3CSG5CPZOL5/Tx28LYR4EXDFAZ/1/ref=cm_cd_dp_tp_t?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B004SCRFZE

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


B B posted:

This is what I want if I want to get into EU3, right? Any idea if this will validate on Steam? CK2 is my first Paradox game, and I've been playing the hell out of it for the past week. I really want to give EU3 a try.

It doesn't appear to register on steam. I'd still buy it though.

B B
Dec 1, 2005

Lord Lambeth posted:

It doesn't appear to register on steam. I'd still buy it though.

Yeah, it's a good enough deal and I'm antsy enough to give it a go that I'll buy it tonight when I get home. Thanks.

V for Vegas
Sep 1, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Fuligin posted:

"HEED! HEED! A storm is coming!"

If this is a Bronzestabbed reference then hats-the-gently caress-off to you, sir.

'This unlawful aggression will not stand' was the best line

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

B B posted:

This is what I want if I want to get into EU3, right? Any idea if this will validate on Steam? CK2 is my first Paradox game, and I've been playing the hell out of it for the past week. I really want to give EU3 a try.

Yep, that's the one. I have the same thing, as well as the Steam version. Since you'll want to be using the 5.2 beta patches anyways, the downloaded version from Amazon is just as good.

Also, don't install it into Program Files, use C:\games\eu3 or something like that.

Bastastic
Jun 20, 2010

EU3 Chronicles Steam key EGR6X-3P07L-ZPPM2

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Bastastic posted:

EU3 Chronicles Steam key EGR6X-3P07L-ZPPM2

Grabbed this one (I think) to give to my brother who is comming for spring break. Cheers man :)

Chump Farts
May 9, 2009

There is no Coordinator but Narduzzi, and Shilique is his Prophet.

Baloogan posted:

Grabbed this one (I think) to give to my brother who is comming for spring break. Cheers man :)

I'd input it quickly due to lurkers.

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Janissary Hop posted:

You should be farming other countries for prestige and resources. Even a poo poo heap like Krakow can be getting poo poo done early on, although that's an extreme display of abuse.

edit: oh you're playing v1. nvm then

That Krakow LP is incredible. I love the way that he self-evaluates. "Sure, I conquered 85% of the world as Krakow, but I could've gotten 90% if I'd played better!"

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

Jesus Christ, I just searched the Paradox forums for information on a Vicky 2 mechanic and found this incredible post:

quote:

Originally Posted by Rangergxi
People won't turn to Facism until Socialism and Liberalism have failed them, or have appeared to fail them. It's an ideology created from failure.


Ironically it is the only feasible political system that has yet to fail in Europe on its own

I would have thought a post like that would be beyond the pale even for that terrible place, but welp.

Anyway, guess I'll ask here: my people just voted the fascists into power. Will that do anything to my form of government or will the fascists be content with ruling in a constitutional monarchy where they might be voted out? Or would I manually have to rescind political reforms for that to happen? There's not a lot of time left in this rather unspectacular game and I kind of want to see that swanky Greek fascist flag in-game. v:shobon:v

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...
I think you need to start repealing political rights; have no voting, an appointed upper house, and no parties and then I think if you are fascist it makes you into a dictatorship.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

DrProsek posted:

I think you need to start repealing political rights; have no voting, an appointed upper house, and no parties and then I think if you are fascist it makes you into a dictatorship.
Keep in mind that in a vanilla democracy, this is essentially never possible to do, because you'll never have enough reactionaries/fascists in the upper house to roll back reforms unless it's already a fascist dictatorship.

Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Feb 22, 2013

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Had a go of MOTE as Russia. Steamrolled Persia, made them a satellite state.

The Ottomans were at war with Austria, so I declared war on the Ottomans and took over a bunch of dominance targets from them - they barely even sent any troops my way.

Then I made peace with the Ottomans, let my war exhaustion go away, declared war on Austria and took my dominance targets from them as well.

I guess Sweden and Prussia won't be too tough to deal with.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

Strudel Man posted:

Keep in mind that in a vanilla democracy, this is essentially never possible to do, because you'll never have enough reactionaries/fascists in the upper house unless it's already a fascist dictatorship.

Yeah true. You can make it a bit faster by chipping away at the upper house first; if it becomes Ruling Party Only, then at the start of the next year it will turn 100% fascist and then you can pass some more reforms before the % of conservatives in the upper house gets too high.

E: Also, random thing I hope we see in a future Victoria 2 patch/expansion/whatever is more local names for parties. I remember in a game as Krakow, I had 1 party with a non-generic name (the conservative Catholic Party) and then the rest were generic names, but when I refounded Poland, all the parties just had their generic names like "Conservative party", "Socialist party", etc. I'd gladly pay money for (an) expansion(s) that add more local names, so like I pay $5 or something and now my Polish Fascist party is called the White Eagle Society or something.

burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Feb 22, 2013

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

DrProsek posted:

I think you need to start repealing political rights; have no voting, an appointed upper house, and no parties and then I think if you are fascist it makes you into a dictatorship.

Also, if fascist, reactionary, communist, or anarcho-liberal parties are elected to the government it's possible for them to launch a coup and reorganize the government into a dictatorship of their type. Not sure exactly what influences that, but I've seen it happen with all four ideologies.

Oh, and gently caress anarcho-liberals. It's hard enough trying to keep a Communist America together without having to deal with free-market-worshiping glibertarian assholes launching uprisings in the name of liberty every couple of years, and if they take over they repeal every single one of your social reforms. It is pretty funny when they reorganize a country into a Bourgeois Dictatorship, though.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Mister Bates posted:

Oh, and gently caress anarcho-liberals. It's hard enough trying to keep a Communist America together without having to deal with free-market-worshiping glibertarian assholes launching uprisings in the name of liberty every couple of years, and if they take over they repeal every single one of your social reforms. It is pretty funny when they reorganize a country into a Bourgeois Dictatorship, though.

Gibertarian is a political doctrine I can follow

V for Vegas
Sep 1, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER

DrProsek posted:


E: Also, random thing I hope we see in a future Victoria 2 patch/expansion/whatever is more local names for parties. I remember in a game as Krakow, I had 1 party with a non-generic name (the conservative Catholic Party) and then the rest were generic names, but when I refounded Poland, all the parties just had their generic names like "Conservative party", "Socialist party", etc. I'd gladly pay money for (an) expansion(s) that add more local names, so like I pay $5 or something and now my Polish Fascist party is called the White Eagle Society or something.

The thing I always ask for in every V2 addition conversation is company names. Call factories 'the Paris Glass Co.' or the 'New York Machine Parts Co.'. This was the time of great corporate innovation in limited liability companies, it would be great to see that reflected a bit more.

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

Well, I managed to roll back all that stuff and institute a very feasible fascist dictatorship with 8 months to spare. Now I feel terrible.

Good to hear there's a coup event, too. All I got were events that raised the fascists' militancy and/or made more of the little guys. But even at the height of their power, they would have raised only 8 regiments, which they never did. It was really weird having to roll back all the reforms one by one, which also highlighted again that I don't understand what the upper house system is supposed to represent. When it goes from 100% Fascist to 80% Fascist and 20% Conservative, did 20% of the MPs go "oh no, now that we've gone back to non-secret ballots, we've gone too far!"?

Anyway, here's an event with delightful flavor text I had never seen before:



Thanks for all the answers, by the way!

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Smirr posted:

When it goes from 100% Fascist to 80% Fascist and 20% Conservative, did 20% of the MPs go "oh no, now that we've gone back to non-secret ballots, we've gone too far!"?

More or less. Say you are about to pass a social reform; some of the upper house members are considered socialists because they are in favour of that. Once you achieve the new status quo they become satisfied and do not wish for further change; since they favour the status quo they no longer are socialists but conservatives.

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

YF-23 posted:

More or less. Say you are about to pass a social reform; some of the upper house members are considered socialists because they are in favour of that. Once you achieve the new status quo they become satisfied and do not wish for further change; since they favour the status quo they no longer are socialists but conservatives.

OK, that makes sense with an actually functional upper house. But in my case, it was Ruling Party Only and every January 1st went back to being 100% fascist. Surely those guys should know that if they want to turn the country into a fascist dictatorship, which they do once the proper 'reforms' are in place, they need to go all the way. It feels silly that 20% of them would suddenly decide that Weighted Universal Voting is close enough to their goal of no one getting a vote.

But I guess fascism is kind of a special case in this game, since it appears very late and you're probably going to be well down the line of political reforms anyway, which makes a democratic transition to a fascist dictatorship stand out that much more. When your country turns into a presidential dictatorship 10 years down the line because for some reason the reactionaries got voted into power, you don't notice it that much because everything is already in place for the transition.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Mister Bates posted:

Oh, and gently caress anarcho-liberals. It's hard enough trying to keep a Communist America together without having to deal with free-market-worshiping glibertarian assholes launching uprisings in the name of liberty every couple of years, and if they take over they repeal every single one of your social reforms. It is pretty funny when they reorganize a country into a Bourgeois Dictatorship, though.

It seems like a significant problem with Vicky II that the only way people can express their discontent is by rebelling, which leads to poo poo like the bourgeoisie manning the barricades. I guess that's possible, but we'd probably see political pressure, attacks in the media, attempted coups, terrorism, etc., all before mass rebellions. The present mechanics work ok gameplay-wise, but they don't make much sense.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


A Srb Divided Deluxe Beta Edition Mk. IV

Download.



Update Mk. IV - Feb 22nd 2013
-Some localization fixed, I guess;
-Some OOBs, I honestly can't remember, it was a long carnival;
-Miscelaneous bug fixes;
-Several map changes;
-Added Syncrethic religion;
-Srbgyptian, Damnatian, Afrikan, Srbmerican and Serbo-Byzantine cultures added;

I believe this will be the last release before A Heart of Darkness comes out, unless some major bug is found.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Smirr posted:

OK, that makes sense with an actually functional upper house. But in my case, it was Ruling Party Only and every January 1st went back to being 100% fascist. Surely those guys should know that if they want to turn the country into a fascist dictatorship, which they do once the proper 'reforms' are in place, they need to go all the way. It feels silly that 20% of them would suddenly decide that Weighted Universal Voting is close enough to their goal of no one getting a vote.

But I guess fascism is kind of a special case in this game, since it appears very late and you're probably going to be well down the line of political reforms anyway, which makes a democratic transition to a fascist dictatorship stand out that much more. When your country turns into a presidential dictatorship 10 years down the line because for some reason the reactionaries got voted into power, you don't notice it that much because everything is already in place for the transition.

It makes sense. Just because you appoint them doesn't mean they'll agree with you 100% on everything. They might not want a full fascist dictatorship, maybe they just want to disenfranchise the unwashed proles. But it's moot because you purge replace them at the end of the year.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...
To be fair though, it does seem a bit strange for example in Germany's case where apparently some Nazis are going "Woah woah woah, I mean I was all set with the whole "Jews are an inferior race" thing, but... changing how the upper house is assembled? Naw man that poo poo's hosed up I didn't sign on for this :stare:". At the very least a smaller number of Fascists and Communists should defect (like only a 10% drop instead of 20).

ZearothK posted:


-Srbgyptian, Damnatian, Afrikan, Srbmerican and Serbo-Byzantine cultures added;

I believe this will be the last release before A Heart of Darkness comes out, unless some major bug is found.

:allears: That's from when that really amazing Serbian noble just went and conquered Egypt on his own so to sate his bloodlust/get him to not try to become King of Serbia, he was given the Kingdom of Egypt, right?

Also A Sjrb Divided is my favourite V2 mod. If vanilla HoD makes V2 vanilla totally enjoyable I'll basically jump between ASD and sometimes Napoleon's Legacy.

Jygallax
Oct 17, 2011

Every human being deserves respect. Even if if they are a little different.
Can anyone link the lp a srb divided is based on? I can't find it on the internet and it sounds amazing.

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing

Jygallax posted:

Can anyone link the lp a srb divided is based on? I can't find it on the internet and it sounds amazing.

Yeah, here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MuyLraUsh4

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT


Apparently ship combat gets a huge overall down to individual torpedoes (!!!) in EvW

E: I can't even feel my tables, oh and customizable ships.



Trick it out anyway you want, Pimp my Nimitz.

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

Top Hats Monthly posted:



Trick it out anyway you want, Pimp my Nimitz.

Yes but can I build one 20 as Belgium and become the world's third superpower?!

a bad enough dude
Jun 30, 2007

APPARENTLY NOT A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO STICK TO ONE THING AT A TIME WHETHER ITS PBPS OR A SHITTY BROWSER GAME THAT I BEG MONEY FOR AND RIPPED FROM TROPICO. ALSO I LET RETARDED UKRANIANS THAT CAN'T PROGRAM AND HAVE 2000 HOURS IN GARRY'S MOD RUN MY SHIT.
Well that just made me super worried about EvW being obsessed with hot war over cold war...

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

On the bright side it'll be fun to see how this inordinately complex system catastrophically breaks down. Who wants to bet there'll be some sort of bug regarding ai restrictions on what weapons to use and we'll constantly see nuclear torpedos flying all over the place at defcon 4?

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


So I grabbed that EUIII Chronicles game posted earlier, is there a instructive LP to give me a clue about how to play?

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reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

Stairmaster posted:

On the bright side it'll be fun to see how this inordinately complex system catastrophically breaks down. Who wants to bet there'll be some sort of bug regarding ai restrictions on what weapons to use and we'll constantly see nuclear torpedos flying all over the place at defcon 4?

My bet is there will be a super easy way to make powerful ships without breaking whatever equivalent to naval treaties they have and players will all have a navy where 2 ships can take on the rest of the world.

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