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notsowelp posted:I just posted this in the food thread, but thought I'd offer it up for more ~general debate~ - I don't know how much of this has made it to America, but right now there is a ~scandal~ in the UK/Europe about 'beef' products intended for humans containing horse meat. Things like ready-meal lasagnes, bologneses, burgers and things like that - and some products have actually been found to be 100% horse meat. What I've taken away from all of this is i) apparently horse is delicious! and ii) you can't trust ingredient lists for poo poo. If this is what the situation is like with human-intended products, I imagine it's much 'worse' in dog and cat foods - basically I'm going to be reeeally skeptical of named meats in ingredient lists from now on and assume that everything in my dogs' food is donkey ._. . I don't know how others feel about this - would it bother you if you found there was e.g. horse in your dogs kibble? I just fed my dogs loving kangaroo so I'm pretty sure I'd be fine with horse. E: They're getting antelope soon too. E2: And what super said, if you're gonna label food you need to label it properly. I don't give a gently caress if someone wants to eat a horse, as much as I  love horses, but say it's horse on the label.E3: Oh, and that scandal stuff was everywhere for about a week then it vanished. Fluffy Bunnies fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Feb 23, 2013 |
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I would be fine if it flat out said it was horse but when it is advertised as other meat I want it to be that meat. Plus horses are generally not expected to be eaten so they get all manner of questionable medications that I would prefer not to be eating or feeding to my dog and here in the US there are no slaughter houses set up for horses so there's no way they were butchered in any way even vaguely resembling something humane. If I went out and shot a free range horse I would totally eat it and feed it to my dog though. More shepherd fun, I hope you guys don't mind me complaining because all the sheep forums are super lame and uptight. The lady with the prolapsed ewe sent me an urgent message that another of her ewes had been in labor for 4 days and what should she do. At first I was like holy poo poo that ewe needed to be at the vet 3 days ago. But as I talked to her she explained that the ewe wasn't dilated, wasn't having contractions, hadn't lost her mucous plug, and didn't even have a fully developed udder. The sheep wasn't in labor she was just morbidly obese, carrying a huge lamb and was hot because she hasn't been sheared yet so she spent all day loafing around grunting and complaining. Laying around groaning is a totally normal thing for a giant pregnant anything to do. That ewe lambed tonight and like the other one had a giant baby that needed help being delivered because all of the sheep on that farm are too drat fat and have no muscle tone. At least this one didn't prolapse!
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Hey PI, I just wanted to say hi from the hospital.  My bf and I got into a pretty serious car accident and I ended up with 2 cracked ribs and a punctured lung. BF got off a lot worse though - he got a broken pelvis, hip, and a fractured sternum and needed 10 stitches in his head, among many more minor injuries. We'll both be fine, but it was scary as hell. His Aussie Tucker was with us in the car and was thankfully not hurt, but he was so scared. He got taken to an emergency vet just in case and I'm going to buy him the biggest, most awesome rope toy as soon as I get out of the drat hospital. :P
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Feb 23, 2013 01:14
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Azrael Alexander posted:Hey PI, I just wanted to say hi from the hospital. That's horrible for all of you but thank god everyone made it out alive. Hope everyone makes a safe and speedy recovery!
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Feb 23, 2013 01:28
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wtftastic posted:That's horrible for all of you but thank god everyone made it out alive. Hope everyone makes a safe and speedy recovery! I miss Fionna so bad. I won't be able to see her for another three days. Poor puppy pup.
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Feb 23, 2013 01:40
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I would be bothered because here horses aren't livestock bred and there's serious concerns about the health risks of eating horse meat. Ethically the animal can chow down on whatever. I'd really like to see some ethical small-farms places raise horses for livestock if the slaughter ban gets lifted (or did it? I haven't been tracking). Also yes label it.
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Feb 23, 2013 01:45
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I have a food allergy (not horse but it's a common filler ingredient) so I'm a big stickler for accurate labeling. I've willingly eaten horse and plenty of other "weird" meats so I don't care about that at all.
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Feb 23, 2013 03:52
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Azrael Alexander posted:Hey PI, I just wanted to say hi from the hospital. Scary, glad you both and the pup are okay though.
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Feb 23, 2013 04:10
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I've always wanted to try horse. I own one and I know him inside and out-- might as well see what he'd taste like too. For some reason people are horrified by this. I'm not insinuating I'd eat my own horse but I would not turn down a horse steak.
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Feb 23, 2013 04:41
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Azrael Alexander posted:Hey PI, I just wanted to say hi from the hospital. Oh no! I hope you and he feel so much better soon, but with a hip and pelvis fracture he is going to be out of action for a while as he heals. I bet the puppies will stick to your side like glue when you get home. Somehow they just know when you aren't feeling right. However prepare to be thoroughly snuffed when you come in the door: hospital smell is new and must be investigated.
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Feb 23, 2013 05:07
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:I've always wanted to try horse. I own one and I know him inside and out-- might as well see what he'd taste like too. I have always loved horses, have owned horses, and am totally about horses. I wouldn't go out of my way to eat one, but if it were put in front of me I'd go for it. I'm pretty curious about horse.
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Feb 23, 2013 05:11
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Superconsndar posted:I have always loved horses, have owned horses, and am totally Exactly. When I was on a study abroad trip to Verona, one of the professors let us know that they might have horse steak on the menu. Everyone turned to me expecting me to burst into tears or something, and I was like "oh sweet I've always wanted to see what horses taste like" then some people were like "How could you say that? Don't you have a horse at home? YOU WANT TO EAT YOUR HORSE?!" It's already dead, might as well eat it. Not eating it won't make it magically spring back to life.
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Az, holy gently caress. Get well soon dude. Car accidents suck. I don't think I'd eat a horse but in Japan there were a few places with horse sashimi. I got seven or eight different people to try it while I was there and they all hated it. 
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Feb 23, 2013 05:24
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Afaik when the scandal broke there was actually few people who were all  about 'but horsiesssss!' Most people I know and spoke to were just worried because: a) if the meat being used isn't even the meat listed on the ingredients, what other ingredients are wrong and what other regulations have been completely flaunted ignored? & b) horses in particular are pumped with chemicals that really aren't great for humans to consume.HORSEGATE. The best part of it was the video someone made about people going to Tesco dressed up as a horse and crying out looking for their mummy. E: I would totally eat horse. I would not want to eat horse that is labelled as something else and totally unregulated. I have probably eaten horse. If I found out my dogs were eating poo poo that wasn't even in the ingredients list I would be furious. Fraction fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Feb 23, 2013 |
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Feb 23, 2013 08:45
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Azrael Alexander posted:Hospital Oh crap, hope you mend soon and glad your dog's ok. I've never willingly eaten horse meat but I'm not massively adverse to the idea. What bothers me is the mislabelling of beef products has been so widespread, I'd at least like the idea of knowing what I'm consuming.
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Feb 23, 2013 12:38
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Ready for take off! 
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Oh man, Az! Glad to hear y'all are going to be okay.  On the topic of horse, apparently it is really really sweet tasting, and unless it is well marbled with fat, it doesn't taste very good. This is coming from a friend's English riding instructor here in Texas who is from somewhere else in Europe. But the mislabeling thing is total bullshit. I'm also not really a big opponent of cultures eating dogs when people eat pigs and cavvies. vOv I just wish all meat animals were treated well before eaten, and generally dog farms don't have much better conditions than mills.
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Just back from a 6 month senior wellness check with Nova, and she needs pretty much the rest of her 5 teeth removed. Well vet said 2 teeth, but I am so scared of putting her under again that if we ARE going to do it, I'm going to ask we remove everything but her remaining fang. She uses that fang a lot in grooming and beating up her brother and it seems to be doing well. Nova has an elevated liver value that seems to be stable, but was very worrisome when we first put her under. They eventually just did it after deciding the value was stable because her teeth were so bad, but it's going to be super scary. I saw one of the teeth. It looks really decayed and vet said the root is exposed. You guys think that's the right call? Remove the rest? Vet is really only advocating for the 2 that are in bad shape, but for a while I had been wishing we had just removed the rest when her first dental was done. In that case, they went in expecting to pull 4 teeth and instead they pulled 9 - so we didn't discuss the option of pulling all of them. None of her remaining teeth even have a top/bottom pair so they're pretty much just going to rot at some point.
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The shelter that I got Dexter from will be in town today doing Petsmart adoptions. I want to do something nice for them, like a donation, but I have no money or things to give them. Do you think they'll accept homemade dog treats? I was planning on making some of them for Dex today anyway, so I was thinking I could make an extra batch and bring it to them. I just worry that they won't accept it because they really don't know if I am a psycho dog murderer who put antifreeze in it. But at the same time they're a shelter and probably would appreciate some treats for the pups. Anyone have experience in this? Should I go through with the plan or just leave it?
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Feb 23, 2013 16:52
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I think they'd like the treats, but I'd email or call first to see if they'd accept them.
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Feb 23, 2013 17:09
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MY BOSTON TERRIER BIT ME. 
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Feb 23, 2013 19:24
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Superconsndar posted:MY BOSTON TERRIER BIT ME. Watch out next full moon, you'll get all wheezy and start farting really bad.
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Feb 23, 2013 19:33
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Superconsndar posted:MY BOSTON TERRIER BIT ME. He's been reading the internet.
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Feb 23, 2013 19:36
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Superconsndar posted:MY BOSTON TERRIER BIT ME. Welp he has a taste for human blood now. All you can do is put a bullet in him. Or just walk away at a brisk pace if he tries to come after you. Either or!
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Feb 23, 2013 19:43
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Bash Ironfist posted:Or just walk away at a brisk pace if he tries to come after you. Either or! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pn_PIxa6cw That doesn't work on all of them.
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Feb 23, 2013 19:47
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Superconsndar posted:MY BOSTON TERRIER BIT ME. Be the Alpha! Bite him back!
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Superconsndar posted:MY BOSTON TERRIER BIT ME. Frankie knows what you say about him on PI.
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Feb 23, 2013 21:26
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El Gar posted:You guys know that I post cat videos right? Why, here is one now! Cat GIFs are where it's at 
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Feb 23, 2013 21:49
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Jess was feeling photogenic during tonight's Will Fetch For Food session.      Not pictured: dog breath.
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Feb 23, 2013 22:24
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FlyingFish posted:Cat GIFs are where it's at gonna second this one 
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Thirded:
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Feb 23, 2013 23:58
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We got another video of the kittens today, kitten #2 is ours. Now we just need a name.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGlcB9i2iXY
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Feb 24, 2013 02:51
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Yes, this invasion is going well. Next stop: Russia!
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Feb 24, 2013 02:52
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Oh man, those are cute. Looking for kitten name suggestions? I'd go with Dumptruck. Trust me, I'm good at naming cats 
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Feb 24, 2013 02:54
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Golden-i posted:Oh man, those are cute. I'm never coming close to as awesome a name/cat combo as Refurb. Someone suggested Pickles, and So far that, Q and Neutron are in the lead.
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ToastFaceKillah posted:I'm never coming close to as awesome a name/cat combo as Refurb. Someone suggested Pickles, and So far that, Q and Neutron are in the lead. Refurb is good, sure, but a few of my favorites: -Dumptruck (not sure why, just a great name for a cat). -Yukon King (Dee Eight's cat, I think. Not sure.) There's a story from a long time back of that cat performing systematic genocide on the mice on their farm, piling them up by the fence posts over the course of a summer. -human being Charlie and Dazzler (my old cat roommates). I miss those guys, but they're happy with their owner now and I see them from time to time. -Toaster Village (a name I gave to a friend's cat). Though I do understand if some/all of those are not quite... appropriate.
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Golden-i posted:Refurb is good, sure, but a few of my favorites: On a similar theme, Shortbus.
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Feb 24, 2013 03:27
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I've always wanted to name an animal Noodle. I also think Hambone is a great name for a pet.
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I maintain that Hubris is the ultimate name for a new pet.
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