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If that top light slit just met the main lamp below it would look fine I think.
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# ? Feb 23, 2013 22:12 |
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awesome-express posted:I remember reading an article written by Bangle where he emphasized the importance of defining certain animalistic physical resemblances on cars.
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# ? Feb 23, 2013 22:58 |
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awesome-express posted:Hmm, that droopy door sure does make it look like a Chinese knock off in those phone pics, but I doesn't look bad from these angles. You just blew my mind, I finally understand where the saggy doors came from.
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# ? Feb 23, 2013 23:39 |
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InitialDave posted:You mean the Bangle who made BMWs look loving ugly and who probably shouldn't be allowed more crayons anytime soon? That Bangle? Yeah, but he also designed the e60, a car that still looks modern as hell today, but was manufactured in goddam 2003. Bangle knows his poo poo. EDIT: Oh and here's some e60 trivia: quote:The development programme for the E60 began in 1997, concluding in 2003. The final design, penned by David Arcangeli under the directorship of Chris Bangle, was approved in 2000 and German design patents filed on April 16, 2002. EDIT 2: Ok I admit that I'm a total Bangle fanboy, but you gotta cut the dude some slack since this is what most cars looked like 10 years ago: He kinda described the automotive design process as something that happens in two stages - evolution and then revolution. So while everyone was still doing those 90s bubbly shapes, the guy pretty much set the benchmark for design trends that we see in cars today. And that makes him kinda important. awesome-express fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Feb 24, 2013 |
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The LS was a fine design, and mechanically and comfort-wise it's what Lincoln should have kept making instead of going back to glorified trim levels of standard Fords.
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awesome-express posted:EDIT 2: Ok I admit that I'm a total Bangle fanboy, but you gotta cut the dude some slack since this is what most cars looked like 10 years ago: Uh, you just posted three decidedly non-bubbly cars including that Audi, which had some of the best design of its time. Why on earth would you pick those as examples of bad design? I'm not one of those Bangle haters, but, in terms of impact, bad copies of Bangle are infinitely uglier and more horrible than all the bad copies of 80s Giugiaro designs or the jelly-bean copies of the original Taurus for the 90s. The only reason all brands have had to resort to ever-more-tortured contouring and bad copies of flame surfacing is because designs are getting so bloated and ugly that they can't get by on simple proportions now without trying to fool the eye to reduce their visual bulk.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 00:44 |
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My point was that Bangle managed to design a car that looks modern to this day, back when most cars looked considerably worse. But that again is just my opinion.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 00:47 |
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awesome-express posted:My point was that Bangle managed to design a car that looks modern to this day, back when most cars looked considerably worse. But that again is just my opinion. It looks modern because it was heavily copied. The front end of the E60 is honestly quite ugly, and most of the best parts of the design are the ones that most resemble the E39 - the side profile/shape, etc.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 00:51 |
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I don't really see how the S40 is relevant - it came out in 1995, same year as the E39. Similarly that A6 was released 1997, still a generation before the E60. Also whether the E60 still looks modern is up for debate.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 00:56 |
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anonumos posted:Yo! I heard you like headlights, so... like that but with more ugly stick
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 02:26 |
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awesome-express posted:Hmm, that droopy door sure does make it look like a Chinese knock off in those phone pics, but I doesn't look bad from these angles. quote:Sixty-one year old Frenchman Clotair Rapaille is an auto industry "guru" of sorts. European and American carmakers trust his uncanny instincts about future vehicle trends and buyer motivations. And when it comes to the phenomenal success of the sport utility vehicle in North America, Rapaille's insights are chilling.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 02:29 |
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The LS is awesome, definitely the American equivalent of the E39.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 02:43 |
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I think that there is some initial shock as it's not something people are used too, but I really kind of like it, if for no other reason then its different. There is only so much you can do with the front end of most vehicles before they all look the same or resemble something else. This is definately a huge departure from that imo, and I kind of welcome the change.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 02:47 |
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Honestly, the Cherokee would look rather handsome if it had a normally-contoured grill.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 03:01 |
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asmallrabbit posted:I think that there is some initial shock as it's not something people are used too, but I really kind of like it, if for no other reason then its different. There is only so much you can do with the front end of most vehicles before they all look the same or resemble something else. This is definately a huge departure from that imo, and I kind of welcome the change. I disagree - it looks like basically every other car on the market now. It's a 90s Hyundai Santa Fe with the two-part light treatment from a Juke poorly grafted onto it. Hell, the Juke is very polarizing, but detailing choices aside it's a well executed design. On the jeep, the lines of the side look melty and crooked, and the rear quarter swelling looks awkward instead of graceful and/or muscular. The key here is that, even ignoring the fact that "organic" doesn't fit with the Jeep brand image or iconic design, it doesn't look organic and muscular - it looks organic and overweight. The fenders are strangely executed and the cladding looks bad. The proportions are all weird with the super long front overhangs, probably because it's based on the platform of the FWD dart instead of the classic RWD Cherokee.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 06:46 |
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This is how you make a Jeep look sexy: That abomination is NOT a real Jeep.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 07:04 |
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Attention haters: go to google, find some pictures of the original Compass, stare at them for a while, like as long as you can bare it. Then take a second look at the new Cherokee and re-cast judgement. Report back.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 07:52 |
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Devyl posted:This is how you make a Jeep look sexy: But that's bloated and ugly.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 07:56 |
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NOTinuyasha posted:Attention haters: go to google, find some pictures of the original Compass, stare at them for a while, like as long as you can bare it. Then take a second look at the new Cherokee and re-cast judgement. Report back. Hmm, nope, still worse.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 16:08 |
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I dunno, looks ok to me.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 22:40 |
I like the way the new Grand Cherokee SRT looks. Visually it strikes a good balance between its rugged Jeep roots and its mission as a performance vehicle. Here's Ralph putting it through the ringer on the track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKDl95winD0 Too bad most of them sold will never see one, but that's pretty much the case for all sport cars.
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 23:32 |
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Cream_Filling posted:Hmm, nope, still worse. straight door lines straight door lines meltydoors TTAC thinks this isn't really for American buyers who have the 4-door Wrangler and probably some Dodge thing to pick from anyway, and that it's for Euro buyers who love swoopy melty poo poo. Is Fiat bringing Jeep over to Europe in any big way?
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# ? Feb 24, 2013 23:44 |
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These shops from allpar really highlight the problem. Although Ralph apparently is personally trying to convice everyone on twitter that they should give it a chance until it comes out in the flesh. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Feb 25, 2013 |
# ? Feb 25, 2013 03:25 |
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The real thing looks better than the Photoshop.
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# ? Feb 25, 2013 03:47 |
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Those photoshops look far worse than the actual design.
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# ? Feb 25, 2013 10:09 |
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I like that Gilles mentions Moab. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHvXi_HejnI
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# ? Feb 25, 2013 13:05 |
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Snowdens Secret posted:straight door lines Dunno, aren't they winding down the Dodge brand in a big way? With the new swoopy redesign of the Escape and the last two gens of the Forester (and Outback, really), there's now a gap in the cute ute segment for a design that's more rugged and square in shape and not a melty blob. And it's a segment that can support a wide array of choices because it sells so many. All this redesign will do is drive away brand loyalists who would otherwise buy a remade Cherokee, and I just don't see this stealing buyers from giants like the Escape/CRV/RAV4/Hyundai/Kia which offer swoopy designs that are less melty. The line about "staying true to its brand instead of chasing trends" rings true. If I wanted a weirdo front end, I'd buy a Juke, which is a better looking car.
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# ? Feb 25, 2013 16:15 |
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Ugly as it is, the Juke is one of the most hideous things I've ever seen, and may be the ugliest car in production.
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# ? Feb 25, 2013 16:38 |
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The original idea for the Compass was that women didn't like the butch square styling of the old jeeps, so they needed some kind of round bubblely car to appeal to them, while the Patriot (literally the same car) would appeal to traditional jeep buyers. The execution of the first gen Compass wasn't great but they had the right idea, I think. Same goes for this, I don't mind the swoopy doors and whatnot, it's pretty much where everything is going, and the 4 people who are actually looking for some live front axle mudcrawler can just buy the 4 door Wrangler. The Liberty was a sort of neither fish nor fowl type deal that didn't really fit. It was supposed to be a midsize SUV competitor but sucked at actually being a midsize SUV for 99% of midsize SUV buyers - was amazingly cramped inside and got terrible fuel economy.
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# ? Feb 25, 2013 16:53 |
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Throatwarbler posted:The original idea for the Compass was that women didn't like the butch square styling of the old jeeps, so they needed some kind of round bubblely car to appeal to them, while the Patriot (literally the same car) would appeal to traditional jeep buyers. The execution of the first gen Compass wasn't great but they had the right idea, I think. Same goes for this, I don't mind the swoopy doors and whatnot, it's pretty much where everything is going, and the 4 people who are actually looking for some live front axle mudcrawler can just buy the 4 door Wrangler. The Liberty was a sort of neither fish nor fowl type deal that didn't really fit. It was supposed to be a midsize SUV competitor but sucked at actually being a midsize SUV for 99% of midsize SUV buyers - was amazingly cramped inside and got terrible fuel economy. Yes, but notably the Patriot outsold the Compass basically every single year. Sales of the Compass only improved in 2011, when the Compass was redesigned to be less fat looking with a more traditional Jeep front-end: they tripled sales after the redesign that made it look more like the old Cherokee. code:
I rented a liberty, and I do agree that its primary problem was that it sucked as a car, not due to exterior design.
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Cream_Filling posted:Yes, but notably the Patriot outsold the Compass basically every single year. Sales of the Compass only improved in 2011, when the Compass was redesigned to be less fat looking with a more traditional Jeep front-end: they tripled sales after the redesign that made it look more like the old Cherokee. Once they manage to make the Compass somewhat less terrible it sold, and look, if all those people wanted patriots they would have bought them, so overall it was a success considering it didn't cost them anywhere near double the development money to almost double the sales. The old Compass was meant to look like the old GC, just like the new one is supposed to look like the new GC, the new one is just a vastly better execution. The bulbous proportions are still ugly and I can't get over that silly vertical door handle in the rear. The Liberty and the Dodge Nitro were available with a 6 speed manual for a while, so there was that.
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Throatwarbler posted:Once they manage to make the Compass somewhat less terrible it sold, and look, if all those people wanted patriots they would have bought them, so overall it was a success considering it didn't cost them anywhere near double the development money to almost double the sales. The old Compass was meant to look like the old GC, just like the new one is supposed to look like the new GC, the new one is just a vastly better execution. The bulbous proportions are still ugly and I can't get over that silly vertical door handle in the rear. Yeah, they started selling once they made them look less terrible. The Compass was basically the same as the Patriot except with more cash on the hood because they sold poorly, It's possible that a decent chunk of those people would have bought a Patriot if the price was right, since they were otherwise the exact same car. The whole scheme still sounds like a failure to me, in that the fat and bubbly styling of the Compass was received terribly and sales only picked up once it was toned down. Also, the old Compass wasn't meant to look like the old GC - the front end, at least, was consciously styled as a Playskool evocation of the classic TJ/JK Wrangler (see: round headlights), with the rest being basically a generic small SUV in the mold of the CRV or RAV-4. They thought that a bubbly Jeep would appeal to women - but this is questionable, since what would make women want to specifically buy a Jeep-brand product that was more round? In focus groups, given the choice between two Jeeps, that's what they'd say, but in practice, those same people just go out and buy Hondas, not Jeeps. Though, now, I admit, the new Cherokee seems to beat the CRV in terms of bulbousness (though it's a close competition).
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# ? Feb 25, 2013 17:49 |
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I cannot get over how loving ugly that Jeep is. It seems pretty clear to me that they were trying to ape the Evoque/Land Rover (I'm mainly looking at the headlights here and the "swept" design), but they have failed, spectacularly. The grille looks like some awful Jeep/BMW mutant, and why does it have 3 pairs of headlamps? God drat.
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Un-l337-Pork posted:I cannot get over how loving ugly that Jeep is. It seems pretty clear to me that they were trying to ape the Evoque/Land Rover (I'm mainly looking at the headlights here and the "swept" design), but they have failed, spectacularly. The grille looks like some awful Jeep/BMW mutant, and why does it have 3 pairs of headlamps? God drat. I don't think 3 sets of lamps is that odd, if anything it's an emerging trend. The E class has 4 pairs, the new Altima has 3. The Audi Q7 has headlamp/foglamp/DRL-strip. I think the problem is that the DRL strip is too high, or the headlight is too low. I'm not totally opposed to the concept. It does seem like more of a Compass or Liberty replacement than a Cherokee/Liberty though.
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# ? Feb 25, 2013 23:46 |
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AdmiralViscen posted:I don't think 3 sets of lamps is that odd, if anything it's an emerging trend. The E class has 4 pairs, the new Altima has 3. The Audi Q7 has headlamp/foglamp/DRL-strip. Does the F40 count?
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# ? Feb 26, 2013 01:08 |
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The Cizeta V16t would like a word with you all.
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# ? Feb 26, 2013 01:22 |
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In more upbeat Jeep news, the new GC SRT8 is pretty fast and can now tow 7,200lbs. http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/25/2014-jeep-grand-cherokee-srt-first-drive-review/
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angryhampster posted:The Cizeta V16t would like a word with you all. This is like some bizzaro car game
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# ? Feb 26, 2013 05:31 |
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More details released on the McLaren P1: http://jalopnik.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-1-3-million-mcla-442662563 That roof 0-62 mph under 3 seconds 0-124 mph under 7 seconds 217mph top speed $1.3 million USD Of course all the cool 12 year old millionaires are posting on jalopnik are complaining about its 'low' top speed. Seriously if it does ~180 who gives a gently caress after that, even if you take it to the track, which no Veyron, F1, or this will probably ever see. They will all be couped up in a sultans garage.
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discstickers posted:The LS is awesome, definitely the American equivalent of the E39. Everyone I know hates the LS, but I've always thought they had a really classy and understanded design like the old BMW's and Mercs of the 80's and 90's. I'd really like one for my next car but they all seem to be beaten to hell in my area.
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