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Feb 27, 2013 09:03
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You fools clearly haven't seen through Hussie's ulterior motive here. The
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Feb 27, 2013 09:04
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Didn't Hussie say there would be no updates from tomorrow for a week? That could just mean we will be ob this panel for quite spme time unless he will dump a whole heap of areanastorytime.txt on us!
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Feb 27, 2013 11:00
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Look at Serket Duece, all not appreciating a good story.
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Feb 27, 2013 13:17
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YES, storytime with Aranea. Always the best.  Wait... wait, where's everybody going?
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Feb 27, 2013 13:35
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All this newborn Vriska-chat got me to thinking about why some people defend Vriska while hating Caliborn, even though they are both horrible people. I think it's because they are both, personality wise, "Bad Kids". But they're "Bad Kids" from two different groups definitions. Vriska is what a "Bad Kid" would be if described by another child. She is a schoolyard bully turned up to 11. This inherent childishness in everything she does softens her. I mean everything she does to Tavros is a twisted version of a girl picking on a guy she likes! Caliborn on the other hand is a "Bad Kid" from an adults perspective. He is what every adult dreads their child becoming. He's the weird kid who sets cats on fire, and everyone knows will end up in prison. He's a psychotic, evil, monster. You will never meet someone who acts like Vriska, but you can meet people that act like Caliborn. Those people generally end up on death row in a maximum security prison.
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Feb 27, 2013 13:51
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Don't forget the question of intention, Wapole. Vriska usually seems to mean well, doing sometimes-stupid, sometimes-awesome things to protect her friends or fight a bigger evil. Caliborn acts the way he does because he wants to. There was nothing (other than narrative causality) stopping him from leading a peaceful life / having a two-player session with his sister. Let's look at Vriska and Caliborn killing: Vriska killed Tavros in a moment of passion, and felt regret afterwards. Sure, she admits she could have spared him, but she didn't seek him out. If he hadn't attacked her, the conflict would not have happened. She also apologized to him the next time she saw him. She also had a very "us vs them" mentality that really messed with her head when she broke it. Caliborn killed Calliope with a long-term gambit. He hired a hitman, acquired tools ahead of time (the roboleg), and was willing to sacrifice to get the job done. Calliope was hoping for a two-player session, and they could have gotten separate bodies by just having the regular body die and going to the dreamselves. There was no reason to kill her, except he wanted to. After he killed her, he's continued to hunt down her ghost so he can kill her again, for no clear reason other than he wants to.
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Feb 27, 2013 14:40
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Oh man, it's always fun to see Vriskachat live. Dolash posted:This whole scene could really be improved in dramatic terms if, when it turns out Vriska's been played and all she's managed to do is feed Lord English thousands of souls, there's actually some sort of consequence. Like people are pissed with her, or she feels regret, or anything that would make this whole weird turn mean something in character development/relationship terms. Remember when Aradia haunted Vriska with the ghosts of her victims? Prime callback material. Basically, I am going to bet my bottom loving dollar that "Vriska Did It™" is going to happen. Again.
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Feb 27, 2013 14:45
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Edit: ^^^ Last time Vriska did that Tavros got mad enough to attempt to kill her, even knowing it was hopeless. It'll be sort of disappointing if the takeaway lesson from that ends up being "Hey just let Vriska do whatever she wants to people, it's for the best." Not knowing what happens to someone who double-dies is pretty much the same as not knowing what happens to someone who dies, so Vriska getting all these souls mulched is pretty much no different. If they know they haven't indicated as such in any way, and working backwards to say that they have to know otherwise what they're doing is too evil is setting yourself up for disappointment, I suspect. We can't even say for sure there is an afterlife after this, or that being destroyed by Lord English sends you there, since the Sprites only prove they can pull people from the dream bubbles and make copies of people who aren't there. Also, while Homestuck is full of mass murder and huge-scale death, part of the point is that it's been entirely outside of the players' control. They're at most passive, accidental enablers of things like Sburb destroying their homeworld. Vriska here is actively committing mass-murder in order to accomplish her own nebulously-defined goals, in full plain view of John. It was one thing for John to hear the world was destroyed by asteroids he couldn't do anything about, it's another for him to stand and watch a fleet of ship filled with people get rainbow-lasered to death while Vriska holds them in place. Aranea's little spiel about how different species have different moral standards better not be a play for "accept these actions because cultural relativism", because I'm pretty sure non-consensual soul-destroying is outside the bounds of reasonable cultural tolerance. Dolash fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Feb 27, 2013 |
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Feb 27, 2013 14:55
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Really I'm more annoyed by Tavros being an even more passive-aggressive little poo poo than any of the Vriska stuff. As someone else said, he's become Gollem. It's sad to see, and yet seems perfectly logical because he never developed a real sense of self-esteem before dying. It's perfectly balanced by all the Moby Dick jokes. Though didn't Ahab get killed by the whale in the end? Wouldn't be surprised by Meenah getting the other end of the spear instead.
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Feb 27, 2013 15:24
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Paracelsus posted:You fools clearly haven't seen through Hussie's ulterior motive here. I'd have figured there was more than enough of her to go around... 
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Feb 27, 2013 15:24
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Roger Explosion posted:Basically, I am going to bet my bottom loving dollar that "Vriska Did It™" is going to happen. Again. Dolash posted:Vriska here is actively committing mass-murder in order to accomplish her own nebulously-defined goals, in full plain view of John. "'Do it?' John, I'm not an erotic pir8 fanfiction villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my masterstroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its 8come? I did it 88 minutes ago." :::: )
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Feb 27, 2013 15:52
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I fully expect for this cherub exposition to go nowhere and get interrupted by something. Either way it's going to be great!
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Feb 27, 2013 17:13
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Lord of Laughton posted:I fully expect for this cherub exposition to go nowhere and get interrupted by something. Either way it's going to be great! The interruption will be the next page. Mark my words.
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Feb 27, 2013 17:27
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lotus circle posted:Here's a great story for everyone. Once upon a time........Hussie updated Homestuck and left it on a cliffhanger. He then went to Seattle for a whole week and left everyone to suffer. The end. You realize this month ends after the 28th, right?
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Feb 27, 2013 18:23
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Lizard Wizard posted:You realize this month ends after the 28th, right? Sure about that?
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Feb 27, 2013 18:29
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Action Shakespeare posted:
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Feb 27, 2013 18:55
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Dolash posted:It was one thing for John to hear the world was destroyed by asteroids he couldn't do anything about, it's another for him to stand and watch a fleet of ship filled with people get rainbow-lasered to death while Vriska holds them in place. Is there anything indicating that this is actually taking place? Don't get me wrong I'm assuming that this is basically what she's doing as well, but when I read the pages I only see references to them being 'ready to lay down their ghost lives for a worthy cause' and various ambiguous mentions of sacrifice, while all they actually say outright is that they're using them to attract his attention. I think though it is a reasonable assumption given that LE probably isn't blowing up empty dream bubbles to fill out that map.
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Feb 27, 2013 18:59
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Nephthys posted:Is there anything indicating that this is actually taking place? Don't get me wrong I'm assuming that this is basically what she's doing as well, but when I read the pages I only see references to them being 'ready to lay down their ghost lives for a worthy cause' and various ambiguous mentions of sacrifice, while all they actually say outright is that they're using them to attract his attention. quote:VRISKA: So for now they're sailing well ahead of us in large num8ers to attract his attention, so he can do more damage to the ring and fill out the rest of our maps. "Doing more damage to the ring" means destroying more dream bubbles and more ghosts. She's using them to attract his attention so he can blow them up and reveal more parts of the map. She doesn't outright say it, but that's because she's trying to sugarcoat it. Like how she didn't even want to mention mind control involved until Tavros noted it.
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Feb 27, 2013 19:03
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I love Serket story time. Can anyone avatar-size that great panel of Aranea for me? I want to change my avatar sometime this week.
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Feb 27, 2013 19:06
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Grrl Anachronism posted:I love Serket story time.
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Feb 27, 2013 19:37
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Flipped without background would be best I think. Thanks!
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Feb 27, 2013 19:54
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Grrl Anachronism posted:I love Serket story time. Would it be alright if I used your Aradia avatar after that? 
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Feb 27, 2013 19:58
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Blackfish posted:Would it be alright if I used your Aradia avatar after that? Sure, no problem!
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Feb 27, 2013 20:03
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but her glasses turn to absolute poo poo whenever I try to reduce the image's resolution to the necessary 125 pixels. Reducing an image by 4 times doesn't work so well on something that's originally 1 pixel in size. I'm not sure you'll want this. Edit: It's definitely something that could be drawn in and fixed manually, but I don't have the time. Go into MSPaint and do it. 
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Feb 27, 2013 20:31
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Bobulus posted:
Where did you read that? Calliope told Roxy that she hoped that cooperating with Caliborn in a two player session would maybe make him more open to the idea of letting their opposing personalities meld together once he became the dominant mind in their shared body (which she believed to be inevitable). Caliborn and Calliope are clearly meant to represent Yang and Yin (the most obvious piece of evidence to support that theory is the color of their tongues). I guess that's why I've never found Caliborn to be all that offensive, he literally embodies the most extreme form of male aggression possible. I find Vriska's innate awfulness to be incredibly entertaining. Even when she tries to do the right thing, she goes about it in the worst way imaginable.
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Feb 27, 2013 20:54
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No.44 posted:I find Vriska's innate awfulness to be incredibly entertaining. Even when she tries to do the right thing, she goes about it in the worst way imaginable. She's basically skating by on Order No. 227 logic at the moment. Yeah, what she's doing is awful, but consider what they're up against. If her plan works, it was a Sad Necessity but the Victory of the Great Patriotic War Will Live On. If it doesn't, lol woops. Of course it isn't going to work. Because it wouldn't be a Vriska subplot if it didn't end in her loving everything up / getting humiliated roundly.
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Feb 27, 2013 21:02
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DaveKap posted:Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but her glasses turn to absolute poo poo whenever I try to reduce the image's resolution to the necessary 125 pixels. Reducing an image by 4 times doesn't work so well on something that's originally 1 pixel in size. I'm not sure you'll want this. I had time to burn, so here you go, fancy glasses and all! 
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Feb 27, 2013 21:10
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Plom Bar posted:Sure about that? I'm pretty flippin' positive.
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Feb 27, 2013 21:17
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There are zero days after the 28th, which means it ends on the 28th. I realize (now) that that is what you meant, but that was some clumsy syntax.
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Feb 27, 2013 22:11
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Seoinin posted:She's basically skating by on Order No. 227 logic at the moment. Yeah, what she's doing is awful, but consider what they're up against. If her plan works, it was a Sad Necessity but the Victory of the Great Patriotic War Will Live On. If it doesn't, lol woops. Oh, I have know doubt that her intentions are good and that she genuinely wants to save her friends. I guess it's like a super-villain deciding to do the right thing for once and save a burning city. The problem is that they use a goddamn freeze ray to put out the fire. She's so used to coming up with solutions that don't take morality into consideration that she's still completely oblivious to how her decisions impact others.
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Feb 27, 2013 22:14
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She's an alien from an interstellar marauding galactic empire that doesn't take morality into consideration, so that's not hardly surprising.
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Feb 27, 2013 23:27
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DaveKap posted:Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but her glasses turn to absolute poo poo whenever I try to reduce the image's resolution to the necessary 125 pixels. Reducing an image by 4 times doesn't work so well on something that's originally 1 pixel in size. I'm not sure you'll want this. RandallODim posted:I had time to burn, so here you go, fancy glasses and all!
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Feb 28, 2013 00:03
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Grrl Anachronism posted:Thanks to both of you for taking the time to resize it and clean it up! I'll be switching as soon as I figure out what text needs to go under it. I'm contemplating taking a hint from earlier in the thread- "Let me tell you a8out Homestuck." This way I get to start over from the 8eginning!"
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Feb 28, 2013 00:29
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Thanks for the help everyone! Blackfish, here's a link to my Aradia avatar so you can use it if you want. 
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Feb 28, 2013 00:47
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Is it weird that I actually kinda... like Aranea? I mean, I'm not saying she's my favorite, but I feel like we'd get along if for no other reason than I'm fairly interested in listening to someone wax encyclopaedic about completely insignificant things. Like Cherubs.
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Feb 28, 2013 01:42
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It's worth mentioning that for all the griping and groaning, Aranea and Vriska and the whole rest of Boat Ghost-Murder are still interesting characters, this development is still quite interesting and characterful and all that. The only fear underlying most of the discussion is whether Hussie will treat these events with the significance they deserve. Any attempt to get Vriska to turn over a new leaf is pretty much done for now, and John's character is in a really bizarre place that'll have to be addressed before the story can end, but so long as Hussie's still got a firm grip on these crazy developments that's fine. Almost any other author and I'd just assume they'd hosed up and accidentally plunged over the moral event horizon without noticing. Hussie generally knows what he's doing though, so with a bit of luck this whole crazy scene will go from weird and disturbing to well-handled and integrated part of the Homestuck tale soon enough.
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Feb 28, 2013 05:24
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Dolash posted:the whole rest of Boat Ghost-Murder are still interesting characters Let's not get too wild now, you still have to count Tavros and Sollux in that group.
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Feb 28, 2013 05:37
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Grrl Anachronism posted:Thanks for the help everyone! Blackfish, here's a link to my Aradia avatar so you can use it if you want. Thanks a bunch! 
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The next update will not only be an intermission, it will return on another super detailed zoom in on John's eye.
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