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OrganGrinder posted:The consensus is that I should keep reading, and I will. Are books 4/5 so chronologically bizzaire that there will be an actual need for the guide? No, not at all really. For me at least the only really bizarre thing is that the author's note that explains how the books are split up is at the end of AFFC. With the knowledge that those two books are paired, you can just read them straight through and be fine.
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whowhatwhere posted:Around halfway through ADWD starts going beyond the timeline of AFFC.
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I can see how that might be confusing and upsetting to people. I'll just have to wait and see what kind of frustration emerges. GRRM has a tendency for long winded writing so I'm not surprised to discover he was forced to split books up. Thanks for the heads up, I look forward to getting to that point. These books are a really enjoyable and well written series. But frustratingly painful because of how well written they are. VVVV: I know, I know, Cornwind Evil. That's whats so frustrating. All of me just wants them to be super heroes of justice, and what makes the series so good so far is that everyone is an actual person, and good doesn't always win and good guys die, and for that matter, what is good. Maybe honorable men don't always win is more correct. hubris.height fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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Just remember OrganGrinder, in most fantasy novels the main characters are as much archtypes as people. In ASOIAF, all of them are people to the core. For better or for worse.
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OrganGrinder posted:good doesn't always win and good guys die, and for that matter, what is good. Maybe honorable men don't always win is more correct. In GRRM's world, the more honor someone has, the more you can be assured of their gruesome death. This is a theme that even the characters comment on, more than once (Petyr Baelish)
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Maarak posted:Finish book 3 at least, maybe consult a guide for reading 4 and 5 at once so that their chapters line up better. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading about Dany and Cersai's chapters being much better when read one after the other to contrast their ruling styles. This sounds fantastic and I'd love to revisit these books like that, especially reading those characters' chapters side by side. Does anyone have a recommended guide for doing this?
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Halfway through the second book, can someone explain how Pycelle is a traitor, and how they figured it out? Also is there a good site that can summarize events up to certain points, I'm kind of getting lost with the dearth of characters.
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Dec 19, 2012 21:38
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actionjackson posted:Halfway through the second book, can someone explain how Pycelle is a traitor, and how they figured it out? ACoK: Tyrion told three different stories to Littlefinger, Varys and Pycelle. Pycelle ratted out, to Cersei, Tyrion's "plan" to send Myrcella to Dorne.
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Dec 19, 2012 21:44
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(More ACoK spoilers:) Obviously Myrcella does get sent to Dorne...was it because that was the "plan" that got discovered or was Tyrion planning on doing that no matter what? I don't know if that was explained and I missed it but I've always wondered.
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Dec 19, 2012 21:48
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(Continued ACOK discussion) It was always going to be sending Myrcella to Dorne (because Dorne had the biggest reason to go against the Lannisters and the other two options were implausible), but Tyrion just used the opportunity to out Pycelle.
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walrusonthehill posted:This sounds fantastic and I'd love to revisit these books like that, especially reading those characters' chapters side by side. Does anyone have a recommended guide for doing this? I thought this one worked pretty well, but I skipped the bolded jump ahead parts. Those are recent updates and only serve to keep a plot point from late in AFFC from being spoiled early in ADWD. http://boiledleather.com/post/25902554148/a-new-reader-friendly-combined-reading-order-for-a
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I'm re-reading this series. In my paperback of book two, page 307 is completely blank. I can't find any book previews with this page. It's the start of a chapter from Tyrion's perspective where he is inspecting the wildfire in the alchemists' guild. The next page begins "it would fit comfortably in the grip of a normal man, he knew." If any goon wants to save me a trip to the library I'd be very appreciative.
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Can you PM me your email?
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Here you go.quote:They had warned him to dress warmly. Tyrion Lannister took them at their word. He was garbed in heavy quilted breeches and a woolen doublet, and over it all he had thrown the shadowskin cloak he had acquired in the Mountains of the Moon. The cloak was absurdly long, made for a man twice his height. When he was not ahorse, the only way to wear the thing was to wrap it around him several times, which made him look like a ball of striped fur. dentist toy box fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Dec 31, 2012 |
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Dec 31, 2012 04:49
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Personperson14 posted:Here you go. might want to put that in spoiler tags.
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Sharing with you guys my latest fanart: Queen of Love and Beauty Lyanna Stark with Ned.
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Placenta_Souffle posted:Sharing with you guys my latest fanart: Amazing!!! Well done. I love the subtle freckles. On a side note, has anybody else bought the Land of Ice and Fire map book yet? It's actually really awesome. I can't wait till the next book comes out (yeah right) so I can use them as references and follow along.
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Personperson14 posted:Here you go.
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Regarding the books in the series, I'm currently reading Feast For Crows, and feel that I can state with at least a little authority that Clash of Kings was the weakest in the series (thus far) and that FfC is sizing up to be incredible, and SoS is pretty great. Also, I wanted to give a quick Thank You to those of you who told me not to give up when I got pissed off, I finished the rest of the book over Christmas and am pretty upset at my silly 'gonna stop reading' tantrum now.
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OrganGrinder posted:Regarding the books in the series, I'm currently reading Feast For Crows, and feel that I can state with at least a little authority that Clash of Kings was the weakest in the series (thus far) and that FfC is sizing up to be incredible, and SoS is pretty great. I found AFFC a much better read the second time around - which was started over Christmas break at my parents. But I read it differently - not straight through, but instead in groups Jamie and Cersei's chapters, Arya's and Samwell, then The Iron Islands. I just started Briennes's and will finish with Dorne's. So far I've found it much more easy to read and follow what was going on, especially politically in KL.
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King's Landing chapters are always the most fun for me. Watching established characters interact is the best part of the series. Watching new characters get established gets old 5 books in.
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Random general question: What if a noble bastard male gets a legitimate marriage to a high born girl? For instance, say the events of the story never transpire and Jon Snow grows up a honorable but undistinguished knight, earns a little land and is betrothed to some younger daughter of a minor Northern lord. Do their kids have a bastard surname too? CatchrNdRy fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jan 15, 2013 |
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Drunk Tomato posted:Amazing!!! Well done. I love the subtle freckles. http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season2/#!/map/ Beware there are spoilers through season/book 2 there.
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CatchrNdRy posted:Random general question: GRRM has this to say (note: there are ASOS spoilers in that link): quote:The highborn parent can bestow the usual name, a new one of his/her own devising, or none at all. Most legitimate sons of bastards keep the bastard name, but there are cases where a later generation fiddles with it to remove the taint. There's one such case that you will meet in the next book, a minor character descended from a Waters (a bastard name along the shores of Blackwater Bay) whose great grandfather changed the name to Longwaters for just that reason.
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In It For The Tank posted:GRRM has this to say (note: there are ASOS spoilers in that link): So say in my hypothetical case, Jon Snow could give his legitimate son the surname "Wintersnow" or whatever the hell he felt like. I had previously thought only a decree from the king could remove the bastard name and only for the original name, as with (minor post AFFC spoilers) the bastard of the Dreadfort
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Legitimization is more than simply changing a bastard's name. Legitimizing a bastard gives them the the privilege of bearing a noble house's arms and the right to inherit along with any trueborn children. As you say, Ramsay was always recognized as Roose's bastard, but only became his heir when Tommen legitimized him. In your hypothetical, Jon can change his child's name to whatever he wants because his child isn't a bastard and because bastard names are customs, not law. Like GRRM says, meddling with the name of a bastard's legitimate child is often done just to remove the stigma of having a bastard's name, but since they're legitimate they're already entitled to inherit whatever their parents own.
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In It For The Tank posted:Legitimization is more than simply changing a bastard's name. Legitimizing a bastard gives them the the privilege of bearing a noble house's arms and the right to inherit along with any trueborn children. As you say, Ramsay was always recognized as Roose's bastard, but only became his heir when Tommen legitimized him. Hmm, so Jon probably would remain a Snow and not a Stark, because legitimizing him would piss off Catelyn. In that link you mentioned, quote:=Bastard names are given only to bastards with at least one parent of high birth. So the bastard child of two peasants would have no surname at all. What about the numerous secret bastards of (AFFC spoiler) Robert. For instance Mya Stone, is his daughter, but is she acknowledged? Did someone just say to the Arryns "this bastard girl has a highborn father, take care of her and put her in your service"?
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CatchrNdRy posted:Robert's bastards. Only two are acknowledged. Mya Stone was Robert's first bastard and he fathered her when he was still a ward, and enough people knew about Mya for it to get back to Lyanna. Jon Arryn (As High as Honor!) probably insisted that Robert recognize her. Mya doesn't appear to know who her father is though. The other is Edric Storm, who Robert fathered during Stannis' wedding. Since Edric's mother was also highborn (a Florent), Robert had no choice but to acknowledge him. But they're the only two. Robert's fourteen other bastards are(/were) unaware that they have a highborn parent, and thus don't have a last name. Gendry isn't Gendry Waters, he's just Gendry (well, now he's Ser Gendry of the Hollow Hill.)
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I just finished Clash of Kings, and started A Storm of Swords. Also, the Tower of the Hand is great - I didn't even notice (AGOT spoilers) that Varys and Ilyrio were the individuals Arya met while chasing cats. Also, according to the description of his "little birds", I can't help but think that (speculation) Podrick Payne is one of them.
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Please continue to post as you read. 
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Please continue to post as you read. All kinds of spoilers below and I can't remember from where so... Yeah, it's always fun to see the details fill in as people figure things out. Just browsing the HBO Viewer's Guide I was reminded of so many things I'd forgotten like Martell's beef against the Lannisters? Azran posted:Also, according to the description of his "little birds", I can't help but think that (speculation) Podrick Payne is one of them. I'd be interested to go back and re-read some of the books where he and Tyrion interact and see what the ramifications might be; also, (whole bunch of spoilers from later in the series here) I wonder if he'd have any way to communicate with Varys from places he visits with Brienne. He is spared in the end of AFFC, right? I've just started watching Season 2 of Game of Thrones and trying to figure out how they're going to fit everything in is frustrating to my brain. Also explaining things to my wife that she asks about is so loving difficult because I can't always remember if she just missed something or if it's something revealed later. tadashi fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Feb 25, 2013 |
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I just finished reading Book 1 the other day (a gift from my brother). It was okay, but I don't think I'll be continuing with the series. It's overly gloomy for my tastes. I don't mind darkness, but I need it tempered with bits of light, and I didn't find enough of those in book 1 to make me want to continue.
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Haha, yeah you should stop.
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CatchrNdRy posted:Hmm, so Jon probably would remain a Snow and not a Stark, because legitimizing him would piss off Catelyn. (AFFC spoiler) She does have vague memories of her father , so yeah probably something like that. dik-dik fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Feb 25, 2013 |
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So I went on holidays, and I read the remaining thousand pages of ASOS while I was there.  Page 700 is like the point where you buy a ticket into a magical ride which seems to never end. It was amazing, and I'm going to get AFFC next. Also, I realized ADWD is out. 
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Azran posted:a magical ride Well, that's one way to describe it. Another way would be a madhouse of despair and horror, but w/e
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So I'm almost finished with AFFC and man, I really feel sorry for Brienne. For almost three entire books she's tried to do the right thing, and every time she's been shat on (Renly, Catelyn, Jaime). GRRM must really hate her as well, given that he gave her not one, but two painful death scenes. On another note, (still AFFC) splitting up the Dorne chapters so much was really stupid. There's almost literally half the book between the story of Arianne's capture and her imprisonment, and by the time it came back I'd completely forgotten everything that had happened.
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webmeister posted:So I'm almost finished with AFFC and man, I really feel sorry for Brienne. For almost three entire books she's tried to do the right thing, and every time she's been shat on (Renly, Catelyn, Jaime). GRRM must really hate her as well, given that he gave her not one, but two painful death scenes. ADWD will help you with that second part, especially if you go back and read their chapters chronologically together.
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I've been reading up on the states of ancient Africa (out of a personal fascination with that area and era) and just found out that the original name of Carthage was Qart-ḥadašt, meaning New City in the ancient Phoenician language. I think it's safe to assume that that's where GRRM got the inspiration and name for the city of Qarth from.
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