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Pacifica fills an important niche, but for mainstream listeners it suffers from being, like so many lefty groups, a cornucopia of special interests. It's hard to imagine a right wing station going so all over the map, but turn on your local Pacifica station and you can easily go from awesome music to Democracy Now to horrible music LGBT chat to vegan news to awesome music to prison news to horrible music to Al Jazeera to latino news to a bunch of stuff that I can't even tell what the point of the program is. It reflects what it is, which is a hodge podge of things that people involved in the station care a lot about, regardless of whether they'll ever draw in a consistent listener base, heh. That's great and I loved having Pacifica in Houston, but I didn't listen to much of anything aside from Amy Goodman, live music from Pe-Te's and then some news here and there when they had it - and good luck getting almost anyone who isn't open minded as gently caress to even turn it on. In that sense, it's reflective of the usual right/left divide. On the right wing channels you've got the same thing over and over, reflecting a broad consensus on a number of issues and everyone rallying behind the repetitious message. On the left wing channels you've got a bunch of people who spread almost entirely interest-specific messages and people who turn up to listen to one or two of the things and ignore the rest.
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The question I find myself asking is whether this disunity is harmful in the long run. It establishes leftists (which I'm using here as a blanket term for greens, LGBT-rights activists, feminists, minority-rights activists, labor unionists, socialized healthcarists, blac bloc anarchists and reds--gently caress, it's a big tent) as people of conscience, so dedicated to their cause that they ignore all others, even those related to their own struggle, whereas rightists tend to circle the wagons-thinking and more importantly voting in lockstep. Look at the horseporn from the last few pages! If we on the political left found someone like that we'd drop them, not find a new hero. But the fact that we just can't seem to get along makes us less vulnerable to becoming an echo chamber. I'm not saying invulnerable. I've got cousins who are knee-jerk crystal-healing loons, but I'll side with 'em when I agree with them, and they'll do the same for me when my pet issues come up. Meanwhile, my Idaho relatives are strongly pro-labor and deeply racist, so I'll side with them on labor issues while calling them on their bullshit when they start insulting Latinos. Among the right wing, it seems that one slip from dogma earns you the wholesale hate of the whole conservative machine. Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Mar 4, 2013 |
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KPFT's got the best country/blues/Americana block I've ever heard on the radio.
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I've been volunteering at KPFT for over five years now and you're both right. There's a bunch of blowhards there that like to ruin fun, but there's also some seriously impressive talent. And now that Clint brought over Blues in Hi-Fi from KTRU, we've got the best blues show in the country.
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http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/03/04/gop-accusation-confirmed-obama-out-to-break-it/ CONFIRMED CONFIRMED CONFIRMED PRESIDENT OBAMA TIRED OF GOP OBSTRUCTIONISM The comments are pretty hilarious seeing how they're calling the author out.
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In DC Pacifica's WPFW is the only station doing real jazz so very thankful it exists. 3 months ago the station almost dropped afternoon music programming for NPR talk shows but the backlash stopped that. It really was unnecessary since WAMU has the NPR news/talk thing down 24/7. Houston's KPFT is the only station I know of that has actually been bombed, twice! Reading the wiki page there has been other attacks also, even recently. Not sure why I'm surprised a leftist media outlet gets physically attacked in Texas. I've not heard of any leftists physically attacking right-wing radio, a few years ago I did hear about environmentalists knocking down some towers for a AM sports-talker. They didn't hate the programming; just the destroyed land and I suppose radiation. 
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Phone posted:http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/03/04/gop-accusation-confirmed-obama-out-to-break-it/ This isn't even making poo poo up outrage, it's literally "Obama exists and is not a Republican" outrage.
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Mar 4, 2013 17:44
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Jennifer Rubin's lost a lot of her mojo ever since her last PR client didn't get the job he wanted.
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Is calling the sequester a "reduction in spending increases" a new thing with the right? One of my local conservative talk radio referred to it that way several times during a few commutes home. I don't remember which guy it was. Also, this Rush wannabe John McCulloch has a show on one of the local Detroit stations and he has a spot that plays during commercials for all shows where it's just him saying "This was all Obama's idea, just let that sink in. The sequester is all Obama's idea. Again, this is Obama's idea" over and over again for 60 seconds. There is nothing else said, and nothing else is promoted in this spot. It really is learning through repetition.
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Mar 4, 2013 19:13
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Slip Slap posted:Is calling the sequester a "reduction in spending increases" a new thing with the right? That phrase has been bandied back and forth for ages.
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Phone posted:http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/03/04/gop-accusation-confirmed-obama-out-to-break-it/ 'We've hosed up everything good he's tried to do. Imagine how much worse he'd be without us loving up everything good!' - Literally actually what republicans are saying now.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:The question I find myself asking is whether this disunity is harmful in the long run. It establishes leftists (which I'm using here as a blanket term for greens, LGBT-rights activists, feminists, minority-rights activists, labor unionists, socialized healthcarists, blac bloc anarchists and reds--gently caress, it's a big tent) as people of conscience, so dedicated to their cause that they ignore all others, even those related to their own struggle, whereas rightists tend to circle the wagons-thinking and more importantly voting in lockstep. We (leftists) get along fine. Your post is a little confusing. You seem to be claiming the left is more tolerant, claim "we don;t get along" and then go on to point out ways you find to get along with other left thinking people even if their cause is not aligned with yours. You also seem to be arguing that leftists are more narrow in their political and social aims, which I think is untrue. I think what you're trying to say, if I read your post right, that the left is more diverse and splintered in their priorities; in the way that a lot of my liberal friends are, say, hardcore vegetarians but still come to the parties we throw even though we serve meat, but that contradicts your assertion that leftists champion their pet cause(s) "that they ignore all others." Since the right is so much more absolute, cut and dried, authoritarian and black and white in their worldview, their message(s) are more easily and (sometimes) cleverly boiled down into bumper sticker slogans, t-shirts and soundbites, but that doesn't make them more correct or stronger as a unit. One of thier more popular ones is "There's What's Right, Then There's What's Left", which about sums it up. There's more people "left" once you've established that the only way to be "right" is guns, Jesus and money. The right wing is eating itself as we speak. edit: god drat I suck at typing. edit, edit: Slip Slap posted:
Yes. This has been a talking point of theirs for a few weeks now, once the sequester began to seem like a foregone conclusion. Read a few pages back. Andy Dean was doing the same thing that you described, playing an out of context quote "this is an idea that generated from the White House" over and over again. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 4, 2013 |
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Hahaha literal brainwashing is apperantly needed to get their listeners to look at a fat rear end stack of spending cuts and think "That was Obama's fault, and I'm also no longer a fan of giant spending cuts". That's fuckin' awesome. And Rubin is so hilariously dense. "I am not a fan of this president, who gave up the moral highground of compromise and is trying to get his own party elected. I'll be over here with the historic obstructionist rape squad with the leader who said his number one priority for four years was getting Obama fired".
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BiggerBoat posted:We (leftists) get along fine. Your post is a little confusing. I agree with you. My wording was outright lovely.
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William Bear posted:I love that url. "Americans absorb 36 percent pay cut while Washington fights over sequester." Hey everyone! Two things happened! Americans renouncing citizenship to become British thanks to tax rise Well let's see. First there's the fact that taxes are not lower in Britain. Then, more importantly, there's the fact that Americans can't escape taxation by renouncing citizenship. These two blatant falsehoods should be enough to make the article worthy of mockery on their own. But no, even better is that the article itself says that the very title of the article has no evidence whatsoever to support it. quote:Across the world 1,781 Americans renounced their citizenship in 2011 compared with just 231 in 2008, when US tax laws changed, although it remains unknown how many are adopting British rather than any other nationality. It really is a remarkable example of how right-wing media does not expect their idiotic consumers to do anything beyond reading the article title and reposting it everywhere they can.
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Supposing that's true though, I feel like we owe the UK an apology for letting our citizens fly over and gently caress up their country as well.
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ShadowCatboy posted:Supposing that's true though, I feel like we owe the UK an apology for letting our citizens fly over and gently caress up their country as well. We will give them an apology if they promise to take Madonna back
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Hazo posted:This reminds me of something I saw posted on the Tea Party Community main feed. Britain, well known for its lax tax policies. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Mar 5, 2013 |
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Mar 5, 2013 15:59
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I'm confused, I thought the UK was a Socialist hellhole complete with death panels that will murder Steven Hawking if here ever sets foot here? Our government is doing its best to cut taxes as much as it can as a sacrifice to the Wealth Creators, though I still don't get why the hell anyone who thinks that the US is suffering from an overbearing government would move here.
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Crameltonian posted:I'm confused, I thought the UK was a Socialist hellhole complete with death panels that will murder Steven Hawking if here ever sets foot here? I just love the irony of the true patriots in tri-corner hats wanting to now live under British rule because of taxes. They should be required to wear the colonial costumes all the time, as reparations from the Revolution.
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bobkatt013 posted:We will give them an apology if they promise to take Madonna back Madonna is from Michigan.
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PeterWeller posted:Madonna is from Michigan. I know but as I said we will give the UK an apolgy if they take Madonna and also Piers Morgan back.
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Mar 5, 2013 17:02
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greatn posted:Madonna is great Even her Bond theme?
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There's one for you nineteen for me... o/`
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bobkatt013 posted:I know but as I said we will give the UK an apolgy if they take Madonna and also Piers Morgan back. But you can't take back something that never belonged to you. 
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bobkatt013 posted:Even her Bond theme? As bad as it is it's still better than the movie it was attached to.
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bobkatt013 posted:Even her Bond theme? Yes  This is something I came across. It's not about the right wing specifically, it's about the effects the comment section of an article can have on a reader. I think it's a bit relevant though since probably one of the most common things posted in here is anything along the lines of "Oh dear god the comments  "http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/opinion/sunday/this-story-stinks.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
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PeterWeller posted:But you can't take back something that never belonged to you. Maybe if you use science you can wring Guy Richie's career back out of her.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Maybe if you use science you can wring Guy Richie's career back out of her. The Sherlock Holmes films are miles better than Snatch or Lock Stock.
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PeterWeller posted:But you can't take back something that never belonged to you. Do you remember when she thought she was british and spoke with the fake british accent?
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bobkatt013 posted:Do you remember when she thought she was british and spoke with the fake british accent? Midge was just putting on a show like she always does. 
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Keep Madonna, Piers Morgan and you tax dodging wankers, we've got enough of those here.
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The last 24 hours of 'push Jeb Bush as a serious candidate' have been pretty funny. The people questioning whether his appeal to immigrants will cause a split in the primary with Rubio. The people who can't decide if Bush was right in saying that the Republicans have lost their way. The people calling into the radio shows that almost universally declare him a RINO and talk about how they actually need another Reagan or Goldwater. All of these have been pretty funny, but the funniest thing of all is people completely ignoring the fact that his last name is Bush and that fucks him right out of the gate
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Gonzo McFee posted:Keep Madonna, Piers Morgan and you tax dodging wankers, we've got enough of those here. Gentleman, what a collection of assholes! Bickering over Madonna, Piers Morgan, and tax dodgers is causing a divide against us when what we should be doing is ganging up on Australia together for bringing Rupert Murdoch into the world and loving up both of our countries equally. Time for your medicine you rugby loving fucks. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:Gentleman, what a collection of assholes! Never Forget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1aZcsY-O8Q
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Radio Nowhere posted:Houston's KPFT is the only station I know of that has actually been bombed, twice! Reading the wiki page there has been other attacks also, even recently. Not sure why I'm surprised a leftist media outlet gets physically attacked in Texas. I've not heard of any leftists physically attacking right-wing radio, a few years ago I did hear about environmentalists knocking down some towers for a AM sports-talker. They didn't hate the programming; just the destroyed land and I suppose radiation. Eh, the bombings were forty years ago and the recent shooting really sucked because they reacted by boarding up the window permanently. Ruined the atmosphere. KPFT, like alot of small stations relying on doners, still hasn't adapted to the changing listener base. This is effecting the AM blowhards as well, but at least they have advertising to fall back on. KPFT's core listeners are dying off and they haven't done much of anything to gain listeners in people under thirty. Its the same with AM, but I think they'll survive a bit longer since they don't have to rely so heavily on listener support and not as many churches are trying to buy up AM frequencies.
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Hazo posted:This reminds me of something I saw posted on the Tea Party Community main feed. Yes, I simply must escape the encroach of American socialism by becoming a UK citizen.
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Good Citizen posted:All of these have been pretty funny, but the funniest thing of all is people completely ignoring the fact that his last name is Bush and that fucks him right out of the gate I don't agree with that. Jeb was relatively well liked in Florida as a Governor, even by me, and is rightfully regarded as "the smart one" when it comes to the Bush clan. GOP voters have short memories. A ticket with Jeb and Christie or Rubio and Jeb has the potential to gain a lot of steam. I think it's weird that any Republican I can barely tolerate is always saddled with the RINO label. I've been a registered Independent for a long time now. I guess I may as well just go ahead and register Democrat. As an aside, from a few pages back, but does anyone think all the abortion/rape noise coming from the GOP could be a sort of backdoor way into banning abortion except in the instance of rape? Like a re-framing of the narrative in a less crazy way that says "well, of course these people saying these things are insane but let's be reasonable. If a woman is raped of course she's entitled to an abortion. These other women? That's murder." What I mean is, they can backpedal from the "God will prevent rape pregnancy" silliness but still ride the "abortion is wrong" horse then draft legislation once the Overton Window has moved enough, only make exceptions for rape and incest, and appear to be reasonable in the process simply by not being retards.
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